Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

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Does the jury get minimum/maximum sentencing terms per charges included in the jury instructions when deliberating? Even the lesser charges are still somewhat hefty, but do they have that while deliberating to weigh options?

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

That's not how it's going. You know it's more like:

"Do you really want to lock up this boy for life for defending himself because you don't like guns?" ​

"He had a gun!"​

"Yes, and he was defending himself with it!"​

"There will be riots! We're being threatened!"​

"There will be riots either way!"​

"But we need to convict him!"​

Repeat ad nauseum.

On the other hand, Karens are infamously not fond of being in uncomfortable situations they can't just screech their way out of. I'm sure the holdouts are already extremely uncomfortable being cooped up in a room with a bunch of strangers they at best see as beneath them (or at worst outright evil). If the other jurors hold out, we might get something out of it. Otherwise, it'll just be a hung jury and that's that. The retrial goes to Schroeder, the defense already knows the only angle of attack the prosecution has, and this whole circus happens again in a few weeks/months.

I hope they pin the bitch(es) down and don't let them go until they agree with NG. The thing with being threatened, isn't there a remedy? What the fuck do you pay police for?

 

[Pig Boss]

lives were taken that day, and even if it was justifiable self-defense, there should be some sort of repercussion or consequence to the author of said actions.

Why do you think that?
Edited

 

[Michael Jacks0n]

Glen Grenwald is a literal homosexual who leans socialist, but he's associated with the Right because he didn't like that Obama was a Chicago politician on a national scale so he's now a political traitor

Same with guys like Jimmy Dore: they're anti-woke socialist/leftists who get classified as alt-right or even neocons because they criticize Biden, CRT, and other shit that the (they/them) types salivate over. Hell, I've seen Bill Maher get shit on by Redditards and Twitterati for the same reason.

 

[Make Anime Illegal]

How is it taking this long?

I think the jury might have been sitting around for a while waiting for the lawyers to argue about evidence.

 

[The-Patriarchy]

I think we'll know that the Karen situation is about to be resolved when the Jury Foreman asks the Judge to send the AR-15 and a magazine shortloaded with 28x .223 FMJ (and one extra for the chamber) up to the Jury room.

That's not how it's going. You know it's more like:

"Do you really want to lock up this boy for life for defending himself because you don't like guns?" ​

"He had a gun!"​

"Yes, and he was defending himself with it!"​

"There will be riots! We're being threatened!"​

"There will be riots either way!"​

"But we need to convict him!"​

Repeat ad nauseum.

On the other hand, Karens are infamously not fond of being in uncomfortable situations they can't just screech their way out of. I'm sure the holdouts are already extremely uncomfortable being cooped up in a room with a bunch of strangers they at best see as beneath them (or at worst outright evil). If the other jurors hold out, we might get something out of it. Otherwise, it'll just be a hung jury and that's that. The retrial goes to Schroeder, the defense already knows the only angle of attack the prosecution has, and this whole circus happens again in a few weeks/months.


Not if the prosecution didn't charge him with it. They attempted to charge him with murder, which implies premeditation or at least intent. The jury can't change the charge, they can only evaluate the fact and state whether or not they think the person is guilty of what counts they're being charged with..

 

[obsdj]

Does the jury get minimum/maximum sentencing terms per charges included in the jury instructions when deliberating? Even the lesser charges are still somewhat hefty, but do they have that while deliberating to weigh options?

No. The judge specifically told them in the instructions that that's not for them to consider. They decide the guilty or not guilty, only he can pronounce the sentence based on the law (if a conviction is made).

 

[Gehenna]

Does the jury get minimum/maximum sentencing terms per charges included in the jury instructions when deliberating? Even the lesser charges are still somewhat hefty, but do they have that while deliberating to weigh options?

Yes, it's all part of the charging instructions.

No. The judge specifically told them in the instructions that that's not for them to consider. They decide the guilty or not guilty, only he can pronounce the sentence based on the law (if a conviction is made).

It's not for them to consider officially, but it is part of the instructions. Hence why that is something the judge has to say that line.

Correction: See two posts down from here, I am simply wrong.

 

[Make Anime Illegal]

Does the jury get minimum/maximum sentencing terms per charges included in the jury instructions when deliberating? Even the lesser charges are still somewhat hefty, but do they have that while deliberating to weigh options?

No. The courts don't want the jury to take into account the possible sentencing when deciding on a verdict.

 

[waffle]

Serious question, what the hell do you guys actually want the defense to -do- here? They cannot admit new evidence and are at the mercy of the judge. Said judge is absolutely hell-bent on not making a ruling and having it go to the jury.

What do you -think- they should -do-?

If I was lex and hard r id be putting all of my effort into a supplemental motion about prosecutorial misconduct and getting ready for the evidentiary hearing.

Id probably have Mama Bear who's been watching after Kyle the whole time (Wisco?) Examine big boy. She seems to put him on life tilt and also seems to understand computers the most.

People are being mislead by the nose and his gaggle of costal morons IMO. My read is that the judge has essentially indicated that he feels almost bound to a mistrial with prejudice, but wants to give the jury a chance to do the right thing anyway first.

 

[Gehenna]

No. The courts don't want the jury to take into account the possible sentencing when deciding on a verdict.

I am leaving up my last post, but quick check shows I am wrong here, these two guys are right. Coulda sworn it was, but that just goes to show you that I am law adjacent, not actually in the legal field.

 

[Confused Doggo]

It's Altruism.

Not if you are constantly worrying yourself over something beyond your control. You can accept it and prepare for things going bad, as well as preparing others for it, but it's not going to help emotionally exhausting yourself to the point that you are a wreck.

But it's not easy.

 

[Gehenna]

If I was lex and hard r id be putting all of my effort into a supplemental motion about prosecutorial misconduct and getting ready for the evidentiary hearing.

Id probably have Mama Bear who's been watching after Kyle the whole time (Wisco?) Examine big boy. She seems to put him on life tilt and also seems to understand computers the most.

People are being mislead by the nose and his gaggle of costal morons IMO. My read is that the judge has essentially indicated that he feels almost bound to a mistrial with prejudice, but wants to give the jury a chance to do the right thing anyway first.

I'd note that none of that is stuff we'd see. It's all off-camera. But I do agree.

 

[Make Anime Illegal]

I think we'll know that the Karen situation is about to be resolved when the Jury Foreman asks the Judge to send the AR-15 and a magazine shortloaded with 28x .223 FMJ (and one extra for the chamber) up to the Jury room.

"Fine, then let's test the rifle to see how much FMJ overpenetrates."

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

Wasn't the Zimmerman trial mostly female jurors? Don't give into leftist stereotyping of using Karen propaganda on no evidence. Could very well be a funko pop soyboys who got frazzled by the rebel Alliance pin.

 

[Dr. Henry Armitage]

Uploaded the full song here I can't imagine this will be on YouTube for much longer.

 

[Mr Bunny]

Wasn't the Zimmerman trial mostly female jurors? Don't give into leftist stereotyping of using Karen propaganda on no evidence. Could very well be a funko pop soyboys who got frazzled by the rebel Alliance pin.

It very well could be, but the info we got is suggesting it's two white women.

 

[DelusionTree]

Day 3 of the jury circus is almost here, let's see how badly the defense can blow their motions today.
Also only 15 minutes out from Kenosha because of work, it's a cold windy day and probably won't be many protesters.

 

[Gehenna]

Wasn't the Zimmerman trial mostly female jurors? Don't give into leftist stereotyping of using Karen propaganda on no evidence. Could very well be a funko pop soyboys who got frazzled by the rebel Alliance pin.

The best and worst demographics for Rittenhouse are both groups of women.

 

[mindlessobserver]

So the weapon was in Kenosha already and the argument of self-defense is being made. That dramatically changes the light in which my original assumptions were made. Still, I believe that even if it was in self-defense, something like manslaughter (maybe involuntary) might be applicable here?.

Self defense is an Affirmative defense to all charges of homicide of any level. It's good to think of it this way. All Homicide means is one person is dead, and another person did it. It literally translates to "Death by Man".

The degrees of Homicide (manslaughter vs. Murder) are to apply only if the death was unlawful. If it's unlawful, then to what degree is the severity? Did you plan it out meticulously or were you being a retard driving too fast and hit someone Jaywalking? The former would be a clear cut case of 1st degree intentional, and the latter would be a case of second degree unintentional in whatever way a State or Country chooses to phrase it.

In the case of Self Defense however, you argue that, yes, you killed the man, and you had a lawful right to do so. There can no longer be ANY degree of culpability. Because the death was lawfully done.