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There's plenty of oil out there. Proven reserves have remained stable at 50+ years for the last century - meaning that at any given moment, we know that there are 50+ years worth of oil that can be extracted from known sources. Unproven reserves add another 50+ onto that, but they're obviously unproven. Oil production will peak eventually, and will also run out eventually, but the idea that it will run out in a few years is the ultimate schizo claim.
Sorry, I need you to debunk harder. I said cheap oil. I don't question that there is oil somewhere, but it might be too heavy or too costly to extract.

I want to completely dismiss this claim, but the fact that they discourage air travel, commuting to work etc. kinda plays into it.
 
I guess they want to keep selling both things.

It might feel a bit OT, but one thing is bothering me: I came across some schizo-threads on /pol/ that explain this depopulation via vax agenda not only by the completely broken economy, but also by something bigger, namely that TPTB know very well we run out of cheap oil, and there is maybe 3-4 years left at current consumption.

Afterwards everything goes to hell, because of course we need oil to produce food. (I was also thinking we need oil to produce and distribute pharmaceuticals, so maybe all this vax madness is a swan song of Big Pharma too). Hence depopulation as a humanitarian act, to prevent massive death by starvation.

This would explain why they focus on vaxxing developed countries and don't care really about third world.

Maybe some kiwis in this thread have some knowledge to debunk this schizo theory?
The reason I can't buy into depopulation theories, and especially first world depopulation theories, is that you need people to be productive. If they were only killing off oldies and third world pollution goblins and untermensch who've been on the dole for five generations I could make sense of it, but the people most affected by this are the normie middle classes who actually add something to the world and make rich people richer. I can believe billionaires are evil and don't see the rest of us as people, but I don't believe they're willing to take a significant drop in their standard of living just to kill off the majority of the population because reasons.

I think it's more likely that they're being parasites as usual, trying to suck as much money from the rest of us as possible with no regard for the long term consequences and that involves cutting corners and putting shoddy products to market because the fines will always be less than the profits.

But I also though vaccine passes were a crazy conspiracy theory a year ago so the schizoposters have a better track record of being right than I do.
 
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From the german wikipedia about mandatory vaccinations, specifically in Austria:
In Österreich besteht derzeit keine Impfpflicht, lediglich Empfehlungen. Geschichtlich wurde in Österreich deutlich länger als z. B. in Deutschland auf indirekte Maßnahmen gesetzt. Die Impfpflicht fand dann erstmalig durch eben diese deutsche Gesetzeslage mit dem Anschluss durch die Nationalsozialisten 1939, in Österreich eingang, als also deutsches Recht zu österreichischem wurde.
(Currently there are no mandatory vaccinations in Austria, only suggestions. (...) The first mandatory vaccination was introduced in 1939, when Austria fell under Nazi-Germany's jurisdiction.)

You can't make this shit up. :story:
 
From the german wikipedia about mandatory vaccinations, specifically in Austria:
In Österreich besteht derzeit keine Impfpflicht, lediglich Empfehlungen. Geschichtlich wurde in Österreich deutlich länger als z. B. in Deutschland auf indirekte Maßnahmen gesetzt. Die Impfpflicht fand dann erstmalig durch eben diese deutsche Gesetzeslage mit dem Anschluss durch die Nationalsozialisten 1939, in Österreich eingang, als also deutsches Recht zu österreichischem wurde.
(Currently there are no mandatory vaccinations in Austria, only suggestions. (...) The first mandatory vaccination was introduced in 1939, when Austria fell under Nazi-Germany's jurisdiction.)

You can't make this shit up. :story:
 
The reason I can't buy into depopulation theories, and especially first world depopulation theories, is that you need people to be productive. If they were only killing off oldies and third world pollution goblins and untermensch who've been on the dole for five generations I could make sense of it, but the people most affected by this are the normie middle classes who actually add something to the world and make rich people richer. I can believe billionaires are evil and don't see the rest of us as people, but I don't believe they're willing to take a significant drop in their standard of living just to kill off the majority of the population because reasons.
Most successful uprisings in world history have been led by the middle classes. They have the ideals, resources, and education to inflict a lot of damage to dictatorships. It's much easier to rule over a society in which the majority is an underclass. The "Fourth Industrial Revolution" is their theory for the next phase of humanity in which the dynamics of society will be fundamentally different in regards to the required inputs and outputs of a post-scarcity economy.
 
The reason I can't buy into depopulation theories, and especially first world depopulation theories, is that you need people to be productive. If they were only killing off oldies and third world pollution goblins and untermensch who've been on the dole for five generations I could make sense of it, but the people most affected by this are the normie middle classes who actually add something to the world and make rich people richer. I can believe billionaires are evil and don't see the rest of us as people, but I don't believe they're willing to take a significant drop in their standard of living just to kill off the majority of the population because reasons.

I think it's more likely that they're being parasites as usual, trying to suck as much money from the rest of us as possible with no regard for the long term consequences and that involves cutting corners and putting shoddy products to market because the fines will always be less than the profits.

But I also though vaccine passes were a crazy conspiracy theory a year ago so the schizoposters have a better track record of being right than I do.
Yes, I was also thinking along these lines. However, if the cheaply available resources are running out, then entire argument about the need for productive people flies out of the window, because then entire Western hemisphere life style is completely unsustainable, and without severe population culling you have third world conditions for people who are not prepared to live like that.
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That's why I ask: debunk me harder, Daddy! because this schizo idea makes too much sense...
 
Downloaded a copy of Laura Dodsworth's 'A State of Fear: How the UK government weaponised fear during the Covid-19 pandemic'. Haven't read it yet, but here it is if anyone's interested too.

Eta mobi file for Kindle users.
 

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Sorry, I need you to debunk harder. I said cheap oil. I don't question that there is oil somewhere, but it might be too heavy or too costly to extract.

I want to completely dismiss this claim, but the fact that they discourage air travel, commuting to work etc. kinda plays into it.
Define cheap. Oil prices fluctuate a lot on the discovery and exploitation of new fields, which can lead to fields being explored and then capped until the price rises enough to make extraction viable. There are a lot of field like that right now. The price rises to a certain point, justifying the expenditure necessary to extract. The price often falls again afterwards as the new supply reaches the market.

Oil prices are so high at the moment because of transportation and staffing issues, and because OPEC is doing its usual thing of cutting production to drive prices up because the house of Saud wants another solid gold palace. It's not because of a shortage of resources.
 
Downloaded a copy of Laura Dodsworth's 'A State of Fear: How the UK government weaponised fear during the Covid-19 pandemic'. Haven't read it yet, but here it is if anyone's interested too.

Eta mobi file for Kindle users.
I just finished this book (after paying moneys for it) and cannot recommend it highly enough. Even if you aren't from the UK, the playbook has been pretty much the same everywhere, and Dodsworth does a great job describing how fear can be used to advance governmental and corporate interests. Five stahs!!!!
 
Admittedly, anyone born after like 1980 globally or what, 1970 in the US has not had the small pox vaccine or any exposure. Well, I did meet a girl once who had cowpox. The rest of us in that age range would be naive, so we would have to go get that shot, if they are even still produced since we erradicated that.

They would probably replace it with mRNA just to spite us.

If small pox suddenly comes back, you know it was bad actors, and sadly a bunch of use would probably be exposed before we could get the vaccine, mutation or not. It would just leave the boomers. So between it and covid, they can wipe the world clean.


No...We should of inherited immunity from our parente and grandparents.

Even at that....vaccinating against smallpox is as simple as consuming a scab in a cup of tea.
 
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And the cruel reality is that resistance does not equate to success, but, to quote from the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising:

This is not fully true.
The Polish Underground Army decided to push for Warsaw Uprising because they (Polish Gov) wanted to free Warsaw before Red Army did.
Poland wanted to have free Warsaw (or at least made it look like they fought back on the same level liberating Warsaw) , so they (commies) couldn't claim they liberated Poland and as such deserve to keep it.
Stalin however waited until the Uprising bleed to death and then marched in through Warsaw and claimed it.

Sorry but Jews barely even fought for their own survival and Edelman often told about it in his book.

The point however stands. Lets not go without a fight, even if its just to be a menace for them.
 
The reason I can't buy into depopulation theories, and especially first world depopulation theories, is that you need people to be productive. If they were only killing off oldies and third world pollution goblins and untermensch who've been on the dole for five generations I could make sense of it, but the people most affected by this are the normie middle classes who actually add something to the world and make rich people richer. I can believe billionaires are evil and don't see the rest of us as people, but I don't believe they're willing to take a significant drop in their standard of living just to kill off the majority of the population because reasons.

I think it's more likely that they're being parasites as usual, trying to suck as much money from the rest of us as possible with no regard for the long term consequences and that involves cutting corners and putting shoddy products to market because the fines will always be less than the profits.

But I also though vaccine passes were a crazy conspiracy theory a year ago so the schizoposters have a better track record of being right than I do.
Isn't one of the base arguments for the Great Reset is that Westerners are using up several earths' worth of resources per year, beyond what it's capable of regenerating?

Aka the "Americans are using 5.1 Earths/Year" claim.

I'm not sure if that warrants mass depopulation, especially as the real environmental damage (land degradation, deforestation) is happening in the developing world as their population booms.

Even at that....vaccinating against smallpox is as simple as consuming a scab in a cup of tea.
I would say that scraping your leg and then rubbing a scab against it is far safer than scab tea.
 
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From the german wikipedia about mandatory vaccinations, specifically in Austria:
In Österreich besteht derzeit keine Impfpflicht, lediglich Empfehlungen. Geschichtlich wurde in Österreich deutlich länger als z. B. in Deutschland auf indirekte Maßnahmen gesetzt. Die Impfpflicht fand dann erstmalig durch eben diese deutsche Gesetzeslage mit dem Anschluss durch die Nationalsozialisten 1939, in Österreich eingang, als also deutsches Recht zu österreichischem wurde.
(Currently there are no mandatory vaccinations in Austria, only suggestions. (...) The first mandatory vaccination was introduced in 1939, when Austria fell under Nazi-Germany's jurisdiction.)

You can't make this shit up. :story:
I like how in January they were all like "There's not going to be mandatory vaccinations, stop that conspiracy nonsense", and it's here. But fret not, the Branch Covidians can reconcile that, they say "Well, back then it was true, no mandatory vaccines were planned. But things change, and so now they're doing what needs to be done. If you had just complied and gotten the shot, it wouldn't need to be mandatory, y'know."
 
Ok, that didn't take long:



Markus Söder, Bavaria's Minister-President, encourages mandatory vaccinations for next spring, because otherwise "we'll never get rid of this shit-corona". Spring, because Bavaria has to go into another lockdown first to punish the unvaccinated, y'know?

Söder was the one who talked about the idea of 3G on public transportation on Sunday night (after having been dismissed as "unpractical" and "unforceable" in the summer) and it turned into law just 4 days later. So, you know it's coming.
 
That's why I ask: debunk me harder, Daddy! because this schizo idea makes too much sense...

The whole peak oil thing rears its head every few years and it's the new topic of doom porn, until everyone moves on to something else. I was a doomer over it myself around the previous incarnation 2001-2005, and I researched it quite a bit. I made the same mistakes then that I think you are making now.

To repeat what's already been said, yeah the oil will run out one day, or the available fossil fuels that can be extracted. See the Hubbert Curve and the Hubbert Peak - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubbert_peak_theory

Of course there will come a point when it's all exhausted and it will cost more to extract than it is worth, but new reserves are being found all the time, plus new ways of extracting those fossil fuels via ever more cheaper and efficient means.

I don't pretend to understand it all and I've forgotten most of what I learned, but suffice it to say there is nothing to worry about in our lifetime or even our children's lifetime. Who knows, by then they made have achieved Nuclear Fusion (good luck with that). They might have even got their shit together and perfected nuclear via Thorium Reactors or wtf. And maybe we'll have Quantum Computers too with a big cherry on top.

It's not overly optimistic though to think that future generations will develop technology or discover new things to make the goal of cheap and clean and abundant energy a reality. Then they'll tax it just like everything else they do and create artificial scarcity to drive prices up even more.

Today we have technologies like fracking and shale extraction and while less than ideal there has been a major turnaround in the forecasts and projections of availabe oil since I started studying it post 2000. And just as America, IIRC has now become a net exporter of oil where as before it had to import a lot of its oil, there will be other countries that make new discoveries as well. Then there's the great rush for the Arctic and Antarctic regions. Please correct me if I'm wrong about American consumption, I'm going purely from memory so check these facts for yourself. The point still stands though.

There are probably vast untapped reserves as well below the tundra in Siberia, though it's debatable how easy that is to get out, but it only takes the find of one massive field to really make a massive difference. The Gawhar oil field in Saudi Arabia is the largest in the world, or one of the largest anyway.


That oil field alone represents a massive proportion of SA's output and reserves.

There's oil in Africa and there's oil under the ocean. And all the time there are oil men going out there looking for new fields to tap, creating new technology to find that oil, then extract it then process it.

But it's true, we are massively reliant on oil. We need it for agriculture for pesticides and antibiotics and for fertilizer. We need it for pharmaceuticals. Plastics. etc. etc. etc.

Plus there is Natural Gas as well which shouldn't be sniffed at (ho ho). There are massive reserves of that left as well. The Austrians have deep underground facilities to store it.


The Haidach gas reservoir in the state of Salzburg owns primary porosity and was found by Rohöl-Aufsuchungs Aktiengesellschaft (RAG) in 1997 at a depth of 1600 meters. It was converted into one of the largest underground gas storage facilities in Central Europe by WINGAS, RAG and Gazprom export.

The operations of the UGS started on the 1st of July 2007, with the usable working gas volume of 1,2 billion m3. Upon commissioning of Stage II of the UGS facility on the 1st of April 2011, its usable working gas volume totaled 2,64 billion m3. At the moment it is 2,9 bcm.



A few years ago they found nearly a thousand billion cubic meters of the stuff under the Med. sea - what will they find tomorrow?

Don't worry, if we really do start running out of the stuff, they will just reopen the coal mines, of which there is still a massive amount left in the ground. So much in fact that China is only too happy to keep digging it up and poluting the atmosphere with it just so we (in the West) can salve our consciences that we have gone 'green', all the while buying all the fucking tacky shit we don't need, and consooming it all as fast as we can throw it away, without even having used half of it in the first place, just to make us feel good and maintain the illusion of superiority we have over these fucking savages who pollute the planet.

So while there is poverty and while there are still peasants willing to risk their lives to get the stuff out of the ground so they can feed their families, I think we are safe for now. And don't think they wouldn't pollute the shit out of Antarctica as well. All those ""scientific experiments"" that can only be conducted in those places? Well, that may be the case, but they also make excellent sovereign outposts with flags hoisted high above. No one really own Antarctica, yet, but one day someone will get the upper hand and a war will be fought over it. Just like Denmark owns Greenland now, maybe one day Antarctica will belong to America or Russia or China.

If we really cared, and if we really valued our childrens' futures, we would plan and we would be prudent. And we would stop consuming all this fucking shit and needlessly polluting the planet. And the irony is the whole Climate Change thing along with the whole Green Environment thing is just a big fuck off scam by Globohomo, pushed by NGO's and bought off ""scientists"" and ""activists"" to guilt trip and tax everyone back to peasantry and forward in to neo-feudalism. Another big stick to beat us all with.

We obviously don't give a shit about the environment. People who own these companies only care about profit. The shareholders only care about profit. That is why when you buy a bag of crisps, once you flatten it out, it only contains maybe a third of what you would imagine. That means they could reduce the plastics in it by over 60 fucking percent and that is just for each unit. Multiply those savings over the scale they knock these things out. And that is for one product. It's the same with candy bars - you are lucky if there is 50 percent of the length in it. Every single fucking product plays this little trick, well, the ones that can get away with it, because muh profitz, not muh greenz.

I wonder what the true size of a packet of crisps would be (or a bar of candy) if you took what you saved on the plastics and put that back in to the product. It would be better for the environment. This is just one very small example.

As for clean renewable energy...

I don't know what the fuck is going on with all that actually. It makes little sense to me. They are phasing out the internal combustion engine that runs on fossil fuels and replacing it with electric cells. But that is only a storage medium; the energy to charge those cells still has to come from somewhere. And that is without all the safety aspects of Lithium not being the safest medium in the world, because when that goes bang, it really goes FUCKING BANG.

But rest assured there are finer minds than ours out there beavering away, working all this out for a better day for humanity.

Also be rest assured there are bigger bastards than we can imagine, working out how they are going to take it all away again and/or use it to control us further.

And this is what all this vaxx bullshit is about. It's about power and control.

There, see, I didn't go too far off topic at all, did I?
 
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