Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[SCSI]

Unfortunately, I looked it up and the EEOC is quite clear -- me dodging the conversation in any way gives them the OK to deny me the exemption at will.

Yes, they're clearly trying to figure out if my beliefs are "sincere." Which means they're actively trying to screw me out of my rights. So I'm going into this assuming a hostile environment.

This thread has me slogging through federal statutes and pulling cases like I'm a 3L again. Memories. My reading of Title VII and the EEOC CoVax specific guidelines regarding the interactive process isn't quite as pessimistic, at least not without having gotten to dig up some cases where that was a specific issue, but it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. I didn't put good odds on an attempt to dodge actually working permanently, unless your employer had zero confidence in whether their grounds for requesting more info was made "bona fide/in good faith" and "objectively based", should this situation end up in an EEOC complaint. I did hope hemming and hawing a bit might get them to show you in advance what it was that's on their minds (what basis underlay their potential doubt of your sincerity, or whether this was actually not so hostile and they just wanted to talk about possible accommodations).

Spoiler: Religious Exemption Spergery

Disclaimer I'm required to give -- We have no attorney-client relationship. This is legal information, not advice. You should definitely talk to an attorney licensed in your jurisdiction who's experienced in labor and employment law. (Sorry if the disclaimers in my lawsperg posts are off-putting, I had it hammered into me to be extra cautious about anything that could get a professional ethics board to dump on me as they were just then discovering this thing called "lawyers talking to people online and OMG how do we regulate that" and shit was extra uptight because there was zero consistency. Hooray for tech illiterates writing rules and literally medieval professional customs.)

After looking at the Barnes template letter, I'm guessing the fetal tissue bit will come up -- it seems to be the most popular point brought up in other exemption requests that are going into litigation, and the most consistently mentioned thing in templates and online discussions. This detail getting circulated in a lot of places online as a silver bullet to getting an exemption approved seems to be getting it red-flagged as likely to be insincere, looking over some guides written by employer-side law firms aimed at bosses. (Archive) It also could open the door to the employer countering with getting an "ethically non-controversial" vaccine later as an accommodation.

If the employee’s purported reason is based on their distrust of the vaccine or a philosophical news article they read online, that will likely not rise to the level of “sincerely held religious beliefs.” But don’t make this assumption right away. Instead, your questions regarding the employee’s stated belief for the exemption should be answered through an interactive process with the employee in which you may be able to – in some circumstances – request additional information or documentation from the employee.

Venable wrote probably the clearest, most concise one of these guides I've come across, and it might be useful to you on both a tactical and a confidence-building level to get a peek at the other team's playbook. (Archive) For background, Venable's a pretty major BigLaw firm, and my impression of them from my (limited) past interaction with those guys is that they have their shit together, and aren't just coasting on inertia from being Hueg. The Fisher-Phillips one linked above the quote is more detailed and also good.

I'd also take a look at this one from Foley-Lardner if you can as well, as it spends time to address a couple points on where an employer can still oppose a sincere exemption request. (Archive) The safety issue in particular is the big one that always comes up in the context of any vaccine fight, especially in any workplace that involves interacting with medically-vulnerable populations.

Employers are permitted to weigh the importance of workplace safety against the religious beliefs of an employee; Title VII does not require that the religious beliefs of an employee be prioritized above safety in the workplace. Case law is clear: “Safety considerations are highly relevant in determining whether a proposed accommodation would produce an undue hardship on the employer’s business.” In Draper v. U.S. Pipe & Foundry Co., the court held that undue hardship can exist if the proposed accommodation would “either cause or increase safety risks or the risk of legal liability for the employer. … Title VII does not require employers to test their safety policies on employees to determine the minimum level of protection needed to avoid injury.”

Though limited, there is some legal precedent, particularly in the health care field, for weighing these considerations and electing to prioritize safety above an employee’s religious beliefs. In Robinson v. Children's Hospital Boston,the U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts determined that Children’s Hospital did not violate Title VII by terminating an employee who refused an influenza vaccination because of her religious beliefs. The court concluded that granting the employee’s requested accommodation not to receive the vaccine would have increased the risk of transmitting influenza to its already vulnerable patient population. This increased safety risk posed an undue hardship on the hospital and thus it was not obligated to accommodate the employee’s sincerely held religious belief.

Good luck, and I hope you can get a chance to sit down with a labor lawyer in your area. However this ultimately plays out, more knowledge and understanding tends to give more peace of mind and confidence, and that's always worth something when dealing with an inherently stressful situation.

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This last bit is more intended for anyone else reading all the ongoing conversations about religious exemptions who's feeling lost and worried and not sure where to start. The Miami-Herald wrote a good introductory article talking about religious exemptions for CoVax in the workplace aimed at normal people. (Archive) And here's a shortcut straight to the EEOC's guidelines specifically on exemptions and the Covid vaccines, which is a lot less painful than grinding through the entirety of Title VII. The EEOC also recorded a webinar about Covid and the workplace in 2020, complete with transcript, which might be useful to the more video-inclined people. Scroll down a bit HERE to find it.

 

[benutz]

When we all get put in camps, which one of the Great Escape characters do you want to roleplay as?

I'd like to say Gordon Jackson (Intelligence), but the way my eyesight is going these days I'd probably be more of a Donald Pleasance (Forger) character.

I've deffo got you down as the Cooler King though, don't know why.

I got mine from Hyperdrug. I got Eqvalan, as it was the only one in stock at the time. It's absolutely fine, easy to dose, doesn't taste of much.

....

Thanks a lot for that. I think I'll give that Eqvalan a go if they have it. I've read enough of Borsabil's posts to know that'll be fine. Hopefully I'll get the nootropic effects as well that our resident Gorilla is getting!

 

[Ultima Ratio Regum]

The French PM Jean Castex, double "vaccinated", has COVID. Is he actually sick? Apparently not. How did he get it? From his 11-year-old daughter. (Is she actually sick? We do not know, but that's unlikely.) Precisely the next target of the "vaccination" program, the 5-12 yo. How convenient. Soviet Union 2.0 at work.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Perhaps the Austrians can ask the Germans for advice on camp building, I mean, it's not like they aren't experts or whatever.

They don't need it, just look at their political class such as former President of Austria and UN Secretary General Kurt Waldheim, whose CO in WWII, Luftwaffe General Alexander Löhr, was executed for torching villages in Yugoslavia, ordering the carpet-bombing of cities, and ignoring his superior's orders to surrender in May 1945. As for Waldheim and Austria's political class, let Wikipedia sum it up for you.

According to one post-war investigator, prisoners were routinely shot within only a few hundred metres (yards) of Waldheim's office,[8] and 35 kilometres (22 mi) away at the Jasenovac concentration camp. Waldheim later stated that "he did not know about the murder of civilians there".

Waldheim denied that he knew war crimes were taking place in Bosnia at the height of the battles between the Nazis and Tito's partisans in 1943.[11] According to Eli Rosenbaum, in 1944, Waldheim reviewed and approved a packet of anti-Semitic propaganda leaflets to be dropped behind Soviet lines, one of which ended: "Enough of the Jewish war, kill the Jews, come over."[12]

After Operation Entebbe on 7 July 1976 – in which Israeli commandos freed more than 100 Israeli and Jewish passengers held captive in Entebbe Airport (Uganda's main airport) by Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and German Revolutionary Cells fighters protected by forces of dictator Idi Amin, and where all the hijackers, three hostages, and 45 Ugandan soldiers were killed – Waldheim described the raid as a "serious violation of the national sovereignty of a United Nations member state".[19]

On 27 April 1987, the United States Department of Justice and the United States Department of State announced that evidence amassed in an investigation conducted by the Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations (OSI) had established a prima facie case that Waldheim participated in Nazi-sponsored persecution during World War II and therefore that his entry into the United States was prohibited by federal statute. This marked the first time that a head of state had been put on an immigration watchlist.[42][43] The 232-page internal Department of Justice 9 April 1987 investigative report was released in 1994 by that agency, and it is available at the agency's website.[44] The report catalogues evidence that, the U.S. government concluded, proved that Waldheim had taken part in, among other actions: the transfer of civilian prisoners to the SS for exploitation as slave labor; the mass deportation of civilians—including Jews from Greek islands and the town of Banja Luka, Yugoslavia—to concentration and death camps; the utilization of anti-Semitic propaganda; the mistreatment and execution of Allied prisoners; and reprisal executions of hostages and other civilians.[45]

 

[Male Idiot]

They don't need it, just look at their political class such as former President of Austria and UN Secretary General Kurt Waldheim, whose CO in WWII, Luftwaffe General Alexander Löhr, was executed for torching villages in Yugoslavia, ordering the carpet-bombing of cities, and ignoring his superior's orders to surrender in May 1945. As for Waldheim and Austria's political class, let Wikipedia sum it up for you.

Nice.

It’ll be ‘jab or death’ for anti-vaxxers, Orban predicts​

It’ll be ‘jab or death’ for anti-vaxxers, Orban predicts

Vaccination of all Hungarian citizens against Covid-19 is inevitable, PM Viktor Orban has said, stating that even the most hardline anti-vaxxers will ultimately face a choice between dying with the virus and getting a jab.

www.rt.com

Vaccination of all Hungarian citizens against Covid-19 is inevitable, PM Viktor Orban has said, stating that even the most hardline anti-vaxxers will ultimately face a choice between dying with the virus and getting a jab.

Speaking to Kossuth radio on Friday, the Hungarian leader lashed out at those reluctant to get vaccinated against coronavirus, branding them a threat "not only to themselves but to all others."

It’ll be ‘jab or death’ for anti-vaxxers, Orban predicts — RT World N…

archived 22 Nov 2021 13:55:54 UTC

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In the end, everyone will have to be vaccinated; even the anti-vaxxers will realize that they will either get vaccinated or die. So, I urge everyone to take this opportunity.


Now, where have I heard this threatening rhetoric before? Mmmmm...

"urge"

It's almost as if someone, part of a higher organisation that transcends national boundaries and nation states, is writing this propaganda for the different nation states to disseminate.

It’ll be ‘jab or death’ for anti-vaxxers​

Based Orban. LOL. They're all fucking at it.


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Ah yes. You've put in to words far more eloquently that which my midwit brain can barely conceptualise for itself. I've noticed that before on a few things. I always wondered if anyone else did. I couldn't have elaborated on it better than you though, even to myself. It's kind of like a double-negative or double-double-bluff. It's confusing if you aren't paying attention, but if you are, you can see it for the scam it is, but it's still kind of confusing. That article made me prick up my ears and got my radar spinning, but for the life of me I couldn't work out why. I wonder if there is a name for that kind of propaganda mind-game. It's both quite a crass but sophisticated technique at the same time.

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Meanwhile in Austria -

Interesting hot take from Martin Sellner (love him or hate him) -

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You know things are getting spicy when even the fash think you're being too fashy.

Orbán is getting a lot of sjw flak and they are doing everything to oust him.
He is trying to boost white birth rates.

So Orbán, Putyin, Bill Gates, Xi, Biden are all sitting around a round table to sacrifice 2/3rds of their population, just to summon ZOG, god of jews, or really want to play Mad max larp that badly?

Because if all the currently vaccinated died today, that would happen. Total societal collapse. You know all the things that keep elites in power.

Banks, giant corporations, etc, all gone.
Bill Gates riding a rusted dune buggy , yelling "Witness me, Firefox and Chrome!" , surrounded by magachud gun nuts who all hate him.

That and afromonkeys are getting vaccination too, look at Kenya? Where will they import rapefugees from? The hollow Earth? Nibiru? The afterlife? Cwcville?

This all seems like a huge cope, dimensional merge tier.

IVM has strange side effects, man. For instance: it made me feel more in control of my time. I started being much more productive, also I sleep a lot better. I feel somewhat addicted to it.

So far, knocking on wood, I didn't even catch regular sniffles this season. Well, four months of winter ahead, so there is still time to catch something, especially as in January I will start coming to office.

Generally speaking, IVM induced sense of self-control made me limit reading doomer stuff, and so I have more time now for my hobbies. I still don't know if we run out of the cheap useful oil or not, so I wonder if it's better to spend more time on game dev or sewing, or anything else useful in Mad Max scenario

Can't find IVM in Hungary. Guess I'll need to take even more vitamins.

 

[Nique la mere de Macron]

The French PM Jean Castex, double "vaccinated", has COVID. Is he actually sick? Apparently not. How did he get it? From his 11-year-old daughter. (Is she actually sick? We do not know, but that's unlikely.) Precisely the next target of the "vaccination" program, the 5-12 yo. How convenient. Soviet Union 2.0 at work.

They are blaming the kid? That is some bullshit. He's a major national politician, even if the kid did get a positive PCR, you think she's the only positive person he has been in contact with lately? The kid tested positive AFTER Papa returned from a (day? unclear) trip to Belgium:

 

[Super-Chevy454]

The French PM Jean Castex, double "vaccinated", has COVID. Is he actually sick? Apparently not. How did he get it? From his 11-year-old daughter. (Is she actually sick? We do not know, but that's unlikely.) Precisely the next target of the "vaccination" program, the 5-12 yo. How convenient. Soviet Union 2.0 at work.

Talk about karma biting back. I guess he'll take HCQ/Ivermectin under the table.

Btw, I saw this clip of Nigel Farage ranting about the Austrian situation.

 

[SBG]

Was curious about current hospitalization numbers, but apparently some places like the Atlantic decided Rona was over months ago.

 

[Keystone]

Most of us don't know what's gonna eventually kill us. It could be pretty much anything: old age, natural disaster, a freak accident, the actions of another person; we just don't know what it'll be exactly. Unless you get jabbed that is, in which case you're almost guaranteed to die from a cardiac problem of some kind:

Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning

Our group has been using the PLUS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement of multiple protein biomarkers which generates a score predicting the 5 yr risk (pe

www.ahajournals.org

If you like heart problems, you'll love the Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines

So says a report on almost 600 patients presented last week at the American Heart Association's annual conference

alexberenson.substack.com

Case Report: Acute Fulminant Myocarditis and Cardiogenic Shock After Messenger RNA Coronavirus Disease 2019 Vaccination Requiring Extracorporeal Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation

Recently, myocarditis following messenger RNA (mRNA) coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccination has become an important social issue worldwide. According to the reports so far, myocarditis related to mRNA COVID-19 vaccination is rare and usually associated with a benign clinical course...

www.frontiersin.org

Spoiler: Archives

If you like heart problems, you'll love the Pfizer and Moderna Covid …

archived 22 Nov 2021 20:35:10 UTC

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Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial…

archived 23 Nov 2021 05:42:03 UTC

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Frontiers | Case Report: Acute Fulminant Myocarditis and Cardiogenic …

archived 23 Nov 2021 13:42:01 UTC

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[Kramer on the phone]

That pdf was a blackpill. It seems like we were already checkmated decades ago while the boomers were too busy zombifying themselves in front of the tv.

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I hate the antichrist

i hate this meme, literally its making me actively pro-zog. just need a jewish QT 3.14 and i'd go full Otto Skorzeny

all this talk reminds me of daria where the principal says something like "anyone who doesn't go to the voluntary school event gets a week of detention" did high schools actually do that kind of stuff in the 90s?

yes but depending on how bad your school was it was probably an empty threat. A school thats 99% white and middle class? hell yeah you're fucked, and unless your ass is planning on community college with the other burnouts you better arrive on time. a school with literal gang members beating nerds on school grounds to the point where the ambulance has to pick him up? hell no; honestly the faculty made that threat up hoping the more obnoxious kids would take it as a challenge and not show up at all, you'd be surprised how often teachers were relived when kids didn't show up.

When you see a mushroom cloud over Washington DC, then things will get better.

the turner diaries written over 50 years ago basically said the same thing; really makes you think

 

[Yeeted Teet]

Can't find IVM in Hungary. Guess I'll need to take even more vitamins.

That indiamart site ship to Europe if you feel like trusting it. Definitely a bit of a gamble but probably no more than buying random crap directly from China. College students manage to get illegal ADHD pills from those online Indian pharmacies all the time.

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No need to post the original, I'm sure you've read similar in a million other places.

However this lie is so blatant and so 'out there' it's actually impressive that this doctor is so brazen.

Here's the numbers from the UK's Covid 19 surveillance report

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Of the 9831 people who required hospitalisation 67% of them were vaccinated

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Of the 3676 people who died in the 4 week reporting period 81% of them were vaccinated.



In the UK around 95% of all over 60's are vaccinated

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90% of all Covid deaths in the UK occur in the over 60's.

They've gone from hiding and fiddling with the data (look at the unlinked column) to now flat out lying and spreading disinformation.

It could be technically true if they're just not admitting the vaxed to ICU, in Ireland the keep pushing "muh 7% of the population taking up 40% of ICU beds" but are keeping quiet on the fact that 100% of the dead in the past week have had at least one dose and the vast majority were fully vaccinated.

 

[Ultima Ratio Regum]

They are blaming the kid? That is some bullshit. He's a major national politician, even if the kid did get a positive PCR, you think she's the only positive person he has been in contact with lately? The kid tested positive AFTER Papa returned from a (day? unclear) trip to Belgium:

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They're used to lie.

To the left, Jean-Michel Blanquer, Minister of Education: "We've been saying this since the beginning, when you are vaccinated, you don't risk to contaminate others."
In the middle, Jean Castex, Prime Minister: "We noticed that the people who took two doses (of vaccine)… the studies conducted on these people show that, in reality, they cannot get COVID anymore."
To the right, Olivier Véran, Minister of Health: "By definition, if everyone is vaccinated, there is no "pass" (vaccine mandate); because if everyone is vaccinated, there is no virus."


The current discourse, taken randomly from a mainstream media, about the department of the Landes, where more than 90% of adults are vaccinated and which is currently in the top 5 departments where the "cases" are increasing the most:
(…) This ratio is obviously due to vaccination, which does not prevent the transmission of the virus

Covid-19 : les Landes parmi les cinq départements les plus touchés pa…

archived 23 Nov 2021 14:34:04 UTC

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(It then goes on about the chimerical "hospital saturation", which would supposedly be "prevented" by the "vaccines", which was already debunked here.)

The same media were saying, a few months ago, that it was "very rare" to be vaccinated and still get COVID, and even more rare to spread COVID, if not impossible.

 

[Joshuan Moon]

@SCSI @HTTP Error 404

Quote feature isn't working for this message. This part is an easy "compromise".

It also could open the door to the employer countering with getting an "ethically non-controversial" vaccine later as an accommodation.

It makes you sound amenable and sincere but really isn't actually committing you to anything. All COVID vaccines on the US market are ethically compromised with respect to abortion derived cell lines. I've only heard of one that was trying to be ethically produced but is still in development and it ended up having to test with some of the cell lines in controversy making it no longer acceptable. I could be wrong but I don't know any others in development specifically targeting ethical production. I doubt foreign vaccines are ethically any different or even will ever be available domestically (can't let that outside competition in).

Ultimately it is still up to you to make the determination if any new vaccines are ethically non-controversial and in accordance with your religious conscience. Your objection to a new vaccine could even be for an entirely different religious reason than the fetal cell controversy.


ETA: I just noticed the link as part of the quote and took a quick look. Be sure to follow the subsequent link to the latest table that includes info on testing. There are a few more being developed than I realized. So going that route is a gamble on if any actually ever make it on to the US market. But at worst you'd just have to request a new accommodation at a later date with a different rationale if they even still have the requirement at that time.

 

[Cycleye]

Fucking hell! i have been out of the internet loop since friday pm. just been playing catch up and i had to stop. just like a gambler should know, 'when the fun stops-stop'. i have literally walked out of the wilderness and the bullshit has been turned up to 11. Need a break 'cos its too fucking depressing to read what is going on.

I wonder how many of the firestarters, in europe protests, are actually paid/protected actors like was happening through all the saint floydd protest shit that magically stopped ?

Gotta make those people demanding answers look bad.

 

[Yeeted Teet]

Irish government is talking about yanking vaccine passes from people who haven't gotten their third shot. There are also rumours flying around of another lockdown in mid-December, nothing officially leaked/denied yet but it seems a lot of pub owners are preparing to have to shut down again. If both happen they might have a bit more trouble convincing people to get boosters because a lot of normies only went along with it because they were told things would go back to normal, if things are shut down anyway having the pass is beyond pointless. They backed off on extending its use to gyms and hairdresser.

Covid crisis in ICUs forces transplant cancellation, while Government considers adding third jab to vaccine cert

An organ transplant operation at the Mater hospital in Dublin had to be cancelled because of a shortage of ICU beds triggered by the Covid-19 surge.

www.independent.ie

Covid crisis in ICUs forces transplant cancellation, while Government…

archived 21 Nov 2021 13:31:09 UTC

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[Male Idiot]

I would be more open to conspiracy theories like " they didn't test the vaccine, has side effects" or "it makes you hard at the sight of a big nose and makes you want to obey and part with money whenever you see the star of david" than wholesale killing-off of everybody, even their pets, for muh totally real climate change.

If they were that serious about it, they would actually try to get the third world to do something.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

Hospital Saint Vincent in Antwerp, Belgium — 100% of the patients in the ICU unit are inoculated

(Thumbnail) — Source 1: https://youtu.be/1vUJKgtinvgVAGGZINE in BELGIUM - 100 per cent of ICU???; Published by Ivor Cummins; YouTube; Date published: Novembe...

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Pathogenic Priming in Belgium - 100% ICU Admissions are Vaccinated

Belgian Doctor Gives Most Recent Statistics

popularrationalism.substack.com

Somebody is lying in the media . On one side it's 100% of the unvaccinated in England in ICU but Belgium is reverse .

 

[NoSpiceLife]

There are also rumours flying around of another lockdown in mid-December, nothing officially leaked/denied yet but it seems a lot of pub owners are preparing to have to shut down again.

Australia, specifically Queensland has the December shutdown thing going on too. They are following Gates directives of course, with Palachook being a good little daddy's girl.

Daddy being:

Cairns News can now confirm that Mr Palaszczuk actually is chairman of Singapore-registered and China-tied Gene Technology Alliance Foundation GTA

Fears of unlawful DNA testing of hundreds of thousands of Queensland Covid samples came after it was revealed the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation helped fund a communist Chinese military front company that used “covid testing” as a ruse to surreptitiously harvest the DNA of Americans.

Queensland Premier’s father chairs a world-wide foundation of gene sequencing and storage companies

Exclusive by Cairns News and Natural News The Queensland Labor Party government has denied it is DNA testing and recording thousands of Covid samples taken from Queenslanders since the Covid flu wa…

cairnsnews.org

 

[borsabil]

The French PM Jean Castex, double "vaccinated", has COVID. Is he actually sick? Apparently not. How did he get it? From his 11-year-old daughter. (Is she actually sick? We do not know, but that's unlikely.) Precisely the next target of the "vaccination" program, the 5-12 yo. How convenient. Soviet Union 2.0 at work.

The cognitive dissonance I experience from consuming media that tells me that the vaccines are incredibly effective at stopping infection and illness and then looking at the actual fucking data produced by governments gives me a migraine.

The UK surveillance data clearly and unequivocally shows that the vaccines do zero parts of fuck all to protect anyone from catching the virus. This is not arguable it's simply true.

What's even more amazing is the data also shows that the virus itself is a complete nothing burger.

Overall the mortality from Covid 19 for all ages is 0.4%. Less than half of one percent of the people who catch Covid die from it. Even using the ridiculous inclusion criteria of what constitutes a Covid death, that's a ludicrously low number to be shutting down entire economies and stripping people of their fundamental rights.

Even more hilarious is the death rate for non boomers. People under 50 years of age have a 0.02% risk of dying from the disease. No that's not a typo, 99.98% of non olds will recover from the literal airborne AIDS.

Overall mortality rate for the non jabbed in all age groups is 0.2%. The double jabbed have an overall mortality rate of 0.65%. Again not a typo, looking at the entire population the vaxxed are more than three times more likely to die than the unvaxxed. Why? Because most kids in the UK aren't vaccinated and none of them are dying and that's the whole point.

For adults under the age of 50 being vaccinated reduces your chances of dying from 0.04% to 0.02%. In the media this will be reported as "halves the risk of dying" when in reality it reduces the risk from ridiculously remote to ludicrously remote.

The only people who receive any benefit from the vaccines are the old. So if the vaccines are shit at stopping transmission, which they are, and no one else individually benefits from taking them (but are exposed to the side effects) why the fuck aren't we just jabbing the old?

Am I going crazy? Have I done the maths wrong? What the fuck??

 

[Billy Beer]

I would be more open to conspiracy theories like " they didn't test the vaccine, has side effects" or "it makes you hard at the sight of a big nose and makes you want to obey and part with money whenever you see the star of david" than wholesale killing-off of everybody, even their pets, for muh totally real climate change.

If they were that serious about it, they would actually try to get the third world to do something.

It wasn't tested and if it kills millions (not everyone) then it's not a big deal (in the eyes of the bigger picture).

Besides, by the time it all comes out in the wash, it will be a generation later and a "we will never do this again. Whoopsie daisy, we did it again". Just like Thalidomide.

The only people who receive any benefit from the vaccines are the old. So if the vaccines are shit at stopping transmission, which they are, and no one else individually benefits from taking them (but are exposed to the side effects) why the fuck aren't we just jabbing the old?

The worst part is that the misinformation from the government is literally killing granny.
"Here granny, here's your 2 jabs and now you're totally immune to covid"
"Thanks government. I'm off in to the busy city centres with no masks or protection because now I'm immunue!"
*granny dies of covid*
"How did this happen? We gave her an 8 out of 10 chance (at best) of survival. So why have 200,000 of the 1 million grannies jabbed, caught covid? why? why? why? why? why?"