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Speaking of KOTOR remake, call me a pleb, but I don't see how it would work out this days. When it was released, KOTOR was new and fresh, but nowdays it looks kinda dated compared to more recent Bioware projects. I mean, Mass Effect is basically KOTOR v 2.0 with blue titties but with better gameplay.
Unless they make a major overhaul of gameplay mechanics, newer players will find the game a little convoluted. I know I did (since I played ME first and KOTOR years later).
 
I got there only a few weeks ahead of you.

I wasn't angry, just disappointed.

Fair point, but I don't follow Doomcock all that often and I'm not that big into Star Wars fandom. I do like the original trilogy and some of the games but that's about it, tbh.

I've thought about reading the Expanded Universe novels from back in the day, but I'm honestly not sure where to begin.
 
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Speaking of KOTOR remake, call me a pleb, but I don't see how it would work out this days. When it was released, KOTOR was new and fresh, but nowdays it looks kinda dated compared to more recent Bioware projects. I mean, Mass Effect is basically KOTOR v 2.0 with blue titties but with better gameplay.
Unless they make a major overhaul of gameplay mechanics, newer players will find the game a little convoluted. I know I did (since I played ME first and KOTOR years later).

Nostalgia and... klout chasing.

I'm going to do a bad job explaining this no matter what, so I'll try to make it short.
You have titles that obtained almost mythological status: FF6/FF7, Mario 64, KOTOR, Diablo, Baldur's Gate, etc that pushed the boundries of video games, got market penetration at/around release, and still hold up well (or reasonably so today). These games are more rights of passage than anything, and you aren't a 'real gamer' if you haven't played them. But playing them today requires work and skills (editing config files, etc) that older gamers probably have but the new generation doesn't because of (to be brief) better hardware and OS APIs. The experience is also usually underwhelming - old graphics look like extra shit on new displays because the pixels are closer together - even with texture pack.
Its sort of like reading the book vs. watching the movie.

So there is money to be made in allowing Older Gamers to relive their experiences, show those experiences to their children and/or younger relatives, and for new, insecure gamers to conspiciously demonstrate their gaming bonefides.

The remakes are also easier to secure financing for the production because of proven track record.

Also don't fight me on the examples. (Planescape Torment never got the market penetration)
 
Yes, pretend you didn't repeatedly spam titles like "Kennedy going bye-bye", and "Bye Kathy" and so many more copium vids designed to get the moocows to hate watch. The fuckload of "Ding dong the witch is dying" videos really prove that you knew all along and don't trawl 4chan and reddit for your leaks.
His big cope strategy now is to claim that "Kennedy is totally gone bros" and that Disney has already kicked her out and that its her husband who is lying about her getting her contract renewed. Just writing this feels ridiculous and idiotic. To anyone else its obvious that the guy is lying out of his ass to stay relevant and damage control for his failed rumors, yet his viewers keep holding onto the false hope he gives.
I've thought about reading the Expanded Universe novels from back in the day, but I'm honestly not sure where to begin.
Well since you're only a fan of the OT (and I know you're not a fan of the prequels so I won't force you to read prequel-tie ins) a good place to start would be the novelizations of the original three films, especially ANH's novelization which contains many elements removed from the final film and which become permanent fixtures of the setting, like the sith and the krayt dragon. However all the OT novelizations have elements from the scripts that weren't included in the final products so there can be some differences but its a great study on the creative process for the films.
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Along with them, try the very first spinoff book, Splinter of the Mind's Eye which takes place between ANH and ESB and was George Lucas' original idea for a cheaper sequel in case ANH failed at the box office, as such Han Solo is barely in it because they weren't sure they could afford him for a sequel. Its an interesting read with insight on not just some galactic history but also what the potential production for a low budget sequel would've been like and its story focuses on an ancient temple of a forgotten cult on Mimban and an ancient artifact connected to the Force which goes on to become a recurring part of the setting and was also based on elements from George's early drafts and the artifact along with the cult prove to be of great importance in the last piece of pre-Disney text. Because this was written long before ESB or ROTJ, there's some romantic tension between Luke and Leia, but remember this was before their status as siblings was set in stone, so its another case of study of how the saga was developing and growing at the time.
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The Shadows of the Empire novels, sourcebook, comics and game take place between ESB and ROTJ and are a pretty fun experience that deal with the search for Han Solo, a threat on Luke's life (which even Vader is trying to prevent) and expand on the underworld of star wars and how Palpatine influences it. There's also an SotE comic that takes place right after Endor that ties up the fate of one of its characters.
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Its also one of the few tie-ins to get its own completely new soundtrack.

However, if you want to be more meticulous, there's also the Truce at Bakura and its sourcebook which takes place a short time after ROTJ and briefly has the Alliance and a fractured Empire forming a brief truce to protect the planet Bakura against an unknown threat. This story can be 50/50 since some don't like the empire and alliance forming a brief truce, and others have mixed feelings about the main antagonists (spoiler: velociraptor-style lizardmen that steal souls/force for batteries) although I personally like them even if it does feel a bit filler-ish and campy but that's part of the charm.
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Heart of the Jedi was an unofficially published but licensed novel from the 90s that takes place right after Truce at Bakura and sets up several future events as well beginning the framework for how the galaxy and the empire will be organized now.
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The Courtship of Princess Leia is an essential story since that's the one where Han and Leia officially get hitched and many events featured in that novel become some of the most recurring and referenced elements in the franchise. It mainly takes place on Dathomir the homeworld of the Rancors and deals with the rancor-riding Witches of Dathomir (the actual ones, not the Filoni ones) and some newfound relationships.
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The Thrawn Trilogy and its sourcebook might also be a good place to start since it takes place several years after ROTJ and it has its own set up for the clone wars. Its often treated as the ideal sequel trilogy even if some find the clone names to be goofy (even though they're only spelled with an additional vowel to make it easier to tell them apart from the originals). Its also the most critically acclaimed and least divisive SW sequel out there, outside of those who get really salty over the clone names and use them as some sort of basis to demonize the rest of the franchise outside the OT. The book's most notable feature though is that it introduces us to the woman that would become the most important part of Luke's life.
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Another one you should give a try are the X-Wing novels, the Rogue Squadron media and their other tie-ins. Which are probably the most acclaimed SW books of all and deal with the less mystic side of things and explore the lives of the soldiers and the galaxy. A based experienced all around especially for the absolute Chad and freaky playboy that is Corran Horn.
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There's also the Han Solo trilogy of novels and the Han Solo and Lando Adventures trilogies which explore Han, Lando and Chewie's past in detail and with better pacing and characters than those of the Disney Solo movie. It has a few inconsistencies caused by the prequels, but since you're an OT purist that shouldn't be an issue thankfully. There's also the Corellian Trilogy set 16 years after the OT and deals heavily with Han's homeworld.
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Aside from these, the other Star Wars RPG guides, sourcebooks and campaign guides are worth a read if you're interested in reading about the galaxy's societies, cultures and technology. The Dark Stryder campaign is a real doozy.

I know you aren't a fan of the prequels, and its perfectly understandable why, but some of their tie-ins (mostly the ones focusing on Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon and other jedi and several other characters) are actually worth giving a shot, so if you want a less divisive version of the PT you could give the prequel novelizations a shot and see if they do anything for you with their more detailed events and better pacing, since even people I know who hate the prequels prefer the novels to the films. Its not 100% guaranteed though since it still has the same endings, the same clone war and timeline issues as the films and Anakin going insane, however it does add more details about Anakin's declining psyche. The most acclaimed PT novel though is Darth Plagueis, which explores Palpatine's life and rise to power as well as the life of his master who influenced many of the PT's events. Some PT novels and guides also try to correct the inconsistencies caused by the films, and some comics even openly poke fun at them too, showing that George was more than willing to let his content creators take friendly jabs at him unlike Disney.
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If you're still interested after all that, I could give you more suggestions (there's no shortage of stories taking place across different periods), or even suggestions to material that takes place long before the OT like the Tales of the Jedi comics which are a must for some in-depth jedi and sith lore and tie-in to KOTOR. There's also the Young Jedi Knights series, which is mostly aimed at kids so its not something amazing, but it introduces you to Han and Leia's kids who play a bigger part in future stories and many elements from those books show up elsewhere. The books also introduce the hilariously well-aged villains known as the Diversity Alliance. After all that and more, you could also try the NJO series if you like grimderp and want to know what's going on in the galaxy 30 years after the OT. Could be hit or miss though. Its a very well written series but some elements from it can be off putting newcomers (like spoilers: Chewbacca's death, religious fanatics from Hellraiser resistant to the Force, unnecessary mass destruction on a wide scale that shrinks down the setting, a talking planet, killing off or setting up the fall of next generation of characters for no reason, pushing R2 and 3PO to the side even more, and a crazy grey jedi bitch spouting bullshit as fact and who needed a good punch in the beak from someone), and its mostly a character driven series of stories that doesn't put much focus on the setting of the planets themselves (and has several inconsistencies lore wise in regards to certain species and planets), but its a very mature series that you'll either love unconditionally for its writing or find that its not to your tastes due to its decisions or that it diverges too much from the saga's views on good and evil. It all depends really like 50/50, but most agree that its a better alternative to the Disney trilogy, even if I only slightly prefer NJO over Disney. There's also the Legacy comics and Sourcebook which take place 140 years after the OT and shows what Luke, Han and Leia's descendants are up to and how his Jedi Order has come along in the future. Its starts off great, but near the end the series starts getting rushed and only its sourcebook really bothers to fill in the blanks. Also pretty mature but has been a 50/50 thing too. I personally like it. However Legacy and NJO are something that should probably be read after familiarizing yourself with the rest of the setting since they heavily reference a lot of things that came before them and aren't as self-contained as other stories, and events from NJO are a major factor for two catalysts in this comic.
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Probably not Disney Wars related but I find it interesting how Pedro Pascal (Mando actor) on his Twitter page is wishing RIP to two of the guys Kyle Rittenhouse killed
in self defense
even though one of them is a repeat convicted child rapist but Gina Carano got fired for going a little retard and comparing COVID lockdowns to Nazi Germany, on the one platform that would take what she's saying entirely out of context because they're dumb. The Mouse having double standards doesn't surprise me.
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Had Splinter of the Mind's Eye been made if case ANH flopped, would it have been distributed by another studio. I mean before ANH, sequels weren’t a sure hit bet, so Fox were initially cool with George making the films without their obligation.
If ANH flopped I wonder what studio would even want to make a sequel to it in the first place. None of the Hollywood studios believed in Star Wars or even cared about it until after it was successful.

@The Gangster Computer
Something else I've been thinking about is, what makes something "feel" like Star Wars? The old EU books feel like SW and they aren't just shitty rehashes of the OT. They tell new stories with established characters, but soulless Disney felt the need to shove OT iconography in all of their movies/TV shows in order to make them "feel" like Star Wars in the most superficial sense possible, yet they still don't to me because they don't have the fun sense of adventure or heart Star Wars is supposed to have. There's no attempt at understanding the source material.

Not that I would expect Bob Iger and the rest of the corporate drones to know what that means. JJ didn't think about it past his memories of watching it as a 11 year old and Rian is a hipster douche that never cared in the first place, and Kathleen just sees it as an IP to exploit.

By the way, is there any proof that JJ had an """""outline""""" for where the what if trilogy was supposed to go? I seriously doubt he ever started thinking about it before he took the money and ran after TFA.
 
Speaking of KOTOR remake, call me a pleb, but I don't see how it would work out this days. When it was released, KOTOR was new and fresh, but nowdays it looks kinda dated compared to more recent Bioware projects. I mean, Mass Effect is basically KOTOR v 2.0 with blue titties but with better gameplay.
Unless they make a major overhaul of gameplay mechanics, newer players will find the game a little convoluted. I know I did (since I played ME first and KOTOR years later).

Simple. Final Fantasy VII.

Mass Effect was shit gameplay wise because it tried to be all things to all people and II and III were just shooters. KOTOR was a legit, if extremely simple RPG with turn based combat.

It's easy to update graphics and use a better engine. ApeIron did amazing things before being shut down. There are also mods that squeeze every bit of graphical improvement you can out of KOTOR.

My concern is in order to pander to Mass Effect tards, they'll try to do what they did to Dragon Age to KOTOR and my second concern is that they'll try to 'improve' on the original. Which would be fine if it was being done by talented creators instead of the people that gave us Dragon Age Inquisition/Mass Effect III/Andromeda
 
Just did the feuding families mission in kotor and holy shit you can make them all kill each other and its hysterical. Made my day. Fuck.
Not even the most hilariously evil thing you can get away with in KotOR!

Anyone who forces Zaalbar to kill Mission personally deserves to go to chaos, though.
 
Ryan Kinel uploaded a video about the response to Pedro Pascal.

He makes another dig at Doomcock around the five minute mark.

"The boycott is not continued by a lot of people. A lot of people get wrapped up in Star Wars and the dangling keys and they let certain people who are lying to them about rumours, they let certain people give them false hope.

So maybe this will bring some people crashing back to reality, but I doubt it."
 
Probably not Disney Wars related but I find it interesting how Pedro Pascal (Mando actor) on his Twitter page is wishing RIP to two of the guys Kyle Rittenhouse killed
And of fucking course a hollywood actor is defending pedophiles, each year they try even less to hide their degeneracy
 
Has anybody been following the developing shitshow that is the crowd-funded Hasbro attempt to get a 6-inch scale Rancor toy made, and fucking up miserably? It only costs $350, and at time of writing, over 350 backers have..."backed" on out. Why? Read on...

For those who don't know, here's the timeline so far:

1) Revealed product....as digital models only, that weren't even in color.
2) Revealed first "tier unlock" as a reissued Gammorrean Guard (not unexpected but lackluster)
3) Revealed second "unlock" as a handful of plastic skulls to put around your giant Rancor, and a BACKDROP of the cave...you know, the kind that would already be INSIDE THE PACKAGING usually. What's more, they didn't bother to print it on anything heavier than paper for their "big reveal."
4) Revealed prototype of Rancor, unpainted. Has weird articulation at the wrong spot in his head/neck that makes him look like a turtle.
5) Revealed two more "unlocks" as a reissued Jedi Luke (necessary I guess) figure, and a repackaged Salacious Crumb, who has nothing to do with the Rancor pit really if you think about it.
6) Finally revealed hand-painted prototype Rancor, that looks like a grade school paint job.
7) People begin leaving in droves.

TL,DR: Basically, to put it in terms of this thread, it's Hasbro adopting the Disney mentality of "don't try too hard, just slop some shit out there...they are Star Wars fans; they will buy anything!"
 
Ok, finished Jedi Academy Trilogy. That post will probably be a little longer, but I did encounter something that almost ended by revisit of the Expanded Universe.

So yeah, props to the guy that shit all over the Abridging. At first I thought it wasn't so bad. I probably need to be forgiving of some of the older books I've already read. I really like the music and the sound effects they add into the abridged versions. But for the Jedi Search trilogy, if my math is right, they are cutting about 7 hours out of a 10 hour audio book.

At first I thought I remember the X-wings novels being thinner than the Zahn/KJA novels, and just assumed the other early Bantam books were like that. When I got to the Thrawn trilogy there as just the unabridged, but Jedi Academy had both. The Unabridged actually seems to be Library of Congress copies. I listened to the Unabridged of Jedi Search and missed the sound effects and music, so I started up Dark Apprentice with the Abridged. After listening half of it and realizing how short it was, I checked and finally discovered the HUGE difference. I partially started over with the Unabridged... it actually wasn't THAT much cut out.

I still don't like it, my opinion of the new Dune movie was that it was a tad bit too long, but I'd rather have it's length than it feel to rushed. While everything I noticed that was cut out wasn't of huge importance, I think that's why I was lukewarm on a lot of the previous books I've listened to. If the majority of what I had left was going to be in this stripped down format... I wasn't really thrilled with the idea of continuing on.

Fortunately, once I get to the start of the NJO everything has an Unabridged copy(except maybe The Dark Nest, twice as long as the other Abridged but not as long as a typical SW novel). What that means is, until then, I'm mostly stuck with Abridged. Unless I find another source, Starfighters of Adumar and the Corellian Trilogy will be Abridged, Thrawn Duology Unabridged. That's few enough that I don't mind powering through it. Also makes some of the optional recommendations from Mississippi Motorboater a little easier to consider with The Callista Trilogy, The Black Fleet Crisis, The New Rebellion, and one left off that list written by Zahn Survivor's Quest all Abridged.
 
So since the Feige, Rian Johnson and Nutty Jenkins films have been seemingly tossed aside, do any of you think Taike Waitieverhisnameis's "origin" film has also been cancelled?
Has anybody been following the developing shitshow that is the crowd-funded Hasbro attempt to get a 6-inch scale Rancor toy made, and fucking up miserably? It only costs $350, and at time of writing, over 350 backers have..."backed" on out. Why? Read on...

For those who don't know, here's the timeline so far:

1) Revealed product....as digital models only, that weren't even in color.
2) Revealed first "tier unlock" as a reissued Gammorrean Guard (not unexpected but lackluster)
3) Revealed second "unlock" as a handful of plastic skulls to put around your giant Rancor, and a BACKDROP of the cave...you know, the kind that would already be INSIDE THE PACKAGING usually. What's more, they didn't bother to print it on anything heavier than paper for their "big reveal."
4) Revealed prototype of Rancor, unpainted. Has weird articulation at the wrong spot in his head/neck that makes him look like a turtle.
5) Revealed two more "unlocks" as a reissued Jedi Luke (necessary I guess) figure, and a repackaged Salacious Crumb, who has nothing to do with the Rancor pit really if you think about it.
6) Finally revealed hand-painted prototype Rancor, that looks like a grade school paint job.
7) People begin leaving in droves.

TL,DR: Basically, to put it in terms of this thread, it's Hasbro adopting the Disney mentality of "don't try too hard, just slop some shit out there...they are Star Wars fans; they will buy anything!"
They know their customers are pointing soyjaks and don't need to put in any effort into their products to keep them loyal.
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You know its bad when Disney is allowing the sell of this bootleg quality merchandise over here while the Chinese bootleg crap looks more official. Honestly, the toy collecting and consoomer fandom as a whole has become even more cringy and obsessive lately. They're even lapping up that awful new Chucky show and buying all its merch simply because "they're told to" or because "they have to". Even the boomer toy collectors are acting weird and talking about trans stuff because of Chucky. Its gone beyond collecting to simply hoarding for the sake of it.
 
I had a look at his IMDb page, and I’m more concerned that Taika Waititi is attached to a live-action remake of Akira.
Sorry, fucked up with the last post.

Also they're letting him make an Akira movie? They're making a damned Akira movie?! Damn it all. It'll probably make me wish Harry Partridge's version of American Akira was the real one.
 
So since the Feige, Rian Johnson and Nutty Jenkins films have been seemingly tossed aside, do any of you think Taike Waitieverhisnameis's "origin" film has also been cancelled?

They know their customers are pointing soyjaks and don't need to put in any effort into their products to keep them loyal.
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You know its bad when Disney is allowing the sell of this bootleg quality merchandise over here while the Chinese bootleg crap looks more official. Honestly, the toy collecting and consoomer fandom as a whole has become even more cringy and obsessive lately. They're even lapping up that awful new Chucky show and buying all its merch simply because "they're told to" or because "they have to". Even the boomer toy collectors are acting weird and talking about trans stuff because of Chucky. Its gone beyond collecting to simply hoarding for the sake of it.
Seeing consoomers openly state they dislike something but then buy it anyway really makes me MATI, I had a friend in college he has this collection of toy lightsabers and he stated that the Rey lightsbaer was the exact same toy as the old Anakin one he had and sperged about disney recycling old merch but he still fucking bought it
 
Seeing consoomers openly state they dislike something but then buy it anyway really makes me MATI, I had a friend in college he has this collection of toy lightsabers and he stated that the Rey lightsbaer was the exact same toy as the old Anakin one he had and sperged about disney recycling old merch but he still fucking bought it

Welcome to me losing my mind at the people coming into this thread during EPIX's release to talk about how they hated a film that they paid to see that they knew they'd hate.

Star Wars fans are the abused wives of the coomsoomer market.
The fact they are mildly waking up and abandoning Star Wars shows just how badly Disney has fucked up.
 
Welcome to me losing my mind at the people coming into this thread during EPIX's release to talk about how they hated a film that they paid to see that they knew they'd hate.

Star Wars fans are the abused wives of the coomsoomer market.
The fact they are mildly waking up and abandoning Star Wars shows just how badly Disney has fucked up.

I guess I just understand loving Star Wars and wanting it to be good.

It doesn't hurt I lost that emotional tie when they killed the Expanded Universe. Ever since then, I see Disney Star Wars as disconnected from anything that came before. As long as it does its own thing I can appreciate it as its own entity.

It's perverse, but I don't now how I'd feel if Disney stopped putting out trash/mediocre shit and actually made something good for a change.
 
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