Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Hippopatumus]

Don't claim to be a member of an orthodox faith. Claim to be into some new age whoo hoo where your body is a temple and you can't pollute it with "unnatural" chemicals and blah blah blah.

Worked for me.

I actually think this is going too far still. Why on Earth is it your employer's business what your faith is, what division, what branch, what denomination?

Where we agree is that a tactic like that is likely to probably work.

I just think the best tactic overall is to avoid the entire conversation. Specifically because you are forcing your company to make the first move, putting them on the back foot. Pretend you are a disabled black shemale and your company is demanding to know details about the brand of dialator you use--it's so far past the line of acceptable that it's bordering on a ridiculous civil rights violation, the kind which result in seven-figure lawsuit settlements. You need to move the fear and uncertainty from you, to them.

Also, just to expound on the current situation a bit; corporate HR directors are SHITTING THEIR FUCKING PANTS right now. They have collectively gotten so far ahead of their skis on this subject that they are collectively risking literal recession level economic damage just on this one subject alone. The courts have made statements like "[this mandate constitutes] grave statutory and constitutional issues". These are big boy legal words that mean the OSHA mandate is likely fucked and the supreme court is likely to actually decline to hear the case because it's such a black and white matter that the circuit courts are making basic procedural judgments on simple facts.

This means they have no legal cover. A plurality of companies have demanded religious and medical information from their employees, staking their continued employment on compliance to their demands. This is so far beyond the looking glass that many of these companies are potentially going to experience existential crisis. The LAST thing these HR directors in American companies want right now is added risk of civil liability on things they are not required to do and have no legal cover for in the first place.

Trigger the lizard brain in your company HR rep and you will sail through this.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Seems then Pfizer have one more hidden skeleton in their closets.

Lawsuit: Pfizer Employee Stole 12K Files--Including Vax Secrets

A new lawsuit claims that a Pfizer employee misappropriated thousands of files. The files include documents pertaining to the COVID vaccine. Pfizer is seeking a temporary restraining order from stopping the employee from using, disclosing, transmitting or altering any confidential information...

thepalmierireport.com

Looks like Pfizer is getting a little nervous.

A new lawsuit claims that a Pfizer employee misappropriated thousands of files.

The files include documents pertaining to the COVID vaccine.
Pfizer is seeking a temporary restraining order from stopping the employee from using, disclosing, transmitting or altering any confidential information she possesses.

From Bloomberg:

Pfizer Inc. is alleging a “soon-to-be-former employee” misappropriated thousands of files, including documents with trade secrets related to its Covid-19 vaccine, in a California federal court lawsuit.
Chun Xiao (Sherry) Li allegedly uploaded more than 12,000 files including “scores” of documents with confidential information to a Google Drive account, Pfizer alleged in a complaint filed Tuesday in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California. The documents are said to pertain to a broad range of topics, including analysis of vaccine studies, operational goals, and development plans for new drugs.
Pfizer said in the complaint it believed Li was going to Xencor Inc. and that she provided a “decoy” laptop when confronted about subsequent downloads of the information.
Pfizer is seeking a temporary restraining order to prevent Li from using, disclosing, transmitting or altering any confidential information she possesses. It also wants the court to order Li to provide Pfizer’s outside counsel access to her personal Google Drive accounts and all her computing devices.

 

[Richardface]

I actually think this is going too far still. Why on Earth is it your employer's business what your faith is, what division, what branch, what denomination?

Where we agree is that a tactic like that is likely to probably work.

Yeah I really don't get why people engage with it. The correct answer to any question after you have stared your objection is "My conscience is between me and my creator, and it is not your place to examine it." Also happens to align entirely with the sort of Protestant thinking that led to the freedom of religion clauses in the US Constitution. No other person should be allowed to intrude on your personal relationship with God, that's exactly what's so despicable about popery

 

[Hippopatumus]

Yeah I really don't get why people engage with it. The correct answer to any question after you have stared your objection is "My conscience is between me and my creator, and it is not your place to examine it." Also happens to align entirely with the sort of Protestant thinking that led to the freedom of religion clauses in the US Constitution. No other person should be allowed to intrude on your personal relationship with God, that's exactly what's so despicable about popery

Damn I want to frame this post. It's exactly right and puts into words better than I can.

This is a winner emoji for you o<<

 

[Feldspar]

it's bordering on a ridiculous civil rights violation, the kind which result in seven-figure lawsuit settlements

wtf now I wish my company harassed me more?

I spent the day calling into companies mandating the vaccine to complain to their manager. AMA.
The one weakness in their plan is they can't fire you for speaking up if you don't work for them in the first place :^)

 

[NoReturn]

Promoting inner country tourism is always a better economic idea than foreign travel.

We get foodstamps for it here.

What a cool idea. How do you take advantage of it?

Soldiers of the german Bundeswehr reject mandatory vaccination against Covid - Minister of Defense tells them to go fuck themselves, introduces mandatory vaccination against Covid

I thought the German military had some kind of thing where they had a unique right to refuse orders on moral grounds. Was that just a misunderstanding?

I'm trying to stay openminded, but one theory of why they're so desperate to get everyone jabbed I cannot subscribe to is the one that they're gonna release another virus that's gonna kill all the unvaxxed. All the emotional abuse, the lies, the coercion - because they LOVE you. Give me a fucking break.

This has been bothering me for similar reasons. So here are a few theories I've heard, I'd love to hear any others that have been floating around.

• ADE/vaccine side effects will be more obvious if a control population still exists and is highly visible. If everyone is jabbed, then there will be no population against which to compare negative outcomes.
• The vaccines rollouts themselves contain the control population. Lot numbers, regional differences, etc. are all just part of the tracking data.
• Aliens are coming and the jabs mark who is edible/who is "NOT edible".

 

[Joshuan Moon]

Met with corporate this morning re: my religious exemption.

It was your bog standard questions. The lists I saw linked earlier in this thread they basically were reading off of. It was quite amusing. The only two I wasn't quite prepared for were "All major organized religions in the world have approved the COVID19 vaccine, including your religion. With this in mind, why should you be allowed to decline the COVID19 vaccine on religious grounds?"

"Are you aware the Pepto Bismol, Asprin, Tylenol, Aleve... longish list of very common medicines... were created, tested on, or developed using, the same fetal tissue cells you are objecting to? Have you ever taken any of these medicines?"

Which is, uh...

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Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit, a bold faced lie.

Ah darn. Did you miss my post? Those two things you weren't prepared for were things I brought up on how I would approach a live meeting:

Emphasize that your beliefs are of a religious AND personal nature. Decline to ascribe other people's beliefs to your own. They may use them to invalidate yours (the pope says it's ok, etc).

If they try to challenge your sincerity by bringing up other medicines that may or may not use abortion derived fetal cells, don't play along. Just state that you have no knowledge that such a treatment may be morally objectionable and you will assess the morality of using such a treatment, consistent and in accordance with your sure judgement and religious conscience should you ever consider taking it.

The answer for the first one is that your belief is your personal religious belief between yourself and God. The belief of some other person or authority who shares your religion does not preclude you from coming to a different conclusion. You are requesting an accommodation for your personal sincerely held belief, not someone else's interpretation of what your religious belief should be. If you told them you are Catholic I would even argue with them that they are using a bad faith interpretation of Church guidance. That the Church's guidance is not that there is no moral issue with the vaccine but that if the disease poses a "grave danger" and there is no morally clean alternative then the harm due to taking the vaccine is acceptable. The Church explicitly allows people to conclude differently if their conscience tells them so. But they have not denied the existence of a moral dilemma and have not contradicted their long standing position on the ethical issues with using the cells and the concept of religious conscience. "I've concluded that it would violate my religious conscience to take the vaccine and the Church teaches that to violate the sure judgment of Conscience IS to sin. The requirement is requiring me to sin".

For the second one just as I said: "I have no knowledge such thing is true and will assess whether there is actually a conflict with my beliefs before using it". I keep waffling between whether or not one should tell them that they're fucking lying. That list of otc meds comes from an unsourced copy pasta that was going around when the mandates were first being proposed as a attempt at a gotcha ( which to me doesn't look too good that they are going to accept your request; you got some true believers there). And like you found out a bunch of those medicines predate the 1970s abortion the cell lines were derived from so it is on its face a falsehood. And even if true, there are generic versions of those drugs that wouldn't need any developmental testing. The chemical for aspirin doesn't forever become unethical just because Bayer used the aborted cells at some point, only Bayer's aspirin product would be unethical.

I'm curious how you ended up handling those questions at the time and if you may have approached them differently with a bit more info at your disposal?

 

[The Wicked Mitch]

What a cool idea. How do you take advantage of it?

I thought the German military had some kind of thing where they had a unique right to refuse orders on moral grounds. Was that just a misunderstanding?

This has been bothering me for similar reasons. So here are a few theories I've heard, I'd love to hear any others that have been floating around.

• ADE/vaccine side effects will be more obvious if a control population still exists and is highly visible. If everyone is jabbed, then there will be no population against which to compare negative outcomes.
• The vaccines rollouts themselves contain the control population. Lot numbers, regional differences, etc. are all just part of the tracking data.
• Aliens are coming and the jabs mark who is edible/who is "NOT edible".

Aside from Operation Lockstep there are about 6 gorillion other Rockefeller foundation scenario's, one of which basically boils down to the following:

"The West" utilizes China as a vector for supercharged economic growth by using it for production and as a debtpig, in the process China itself greatly benefits and eventually ascends to an ever more prominent position on the global stage.

At some point the West releases a relatively harmless virus, developed in the US but blamed on China causing global lockdowns and severe disruptions in travel, commerce etc at which point the West goes full retard to inoculate their populations with "their" vaccine while Asia ( and Russia ) does the same. At some point stage two is released, more or less harmless to those who got their Western pozzing but devastating to those who have not, effectively cementing Western dominance over the world order more or less forever.

With the added benefit of full-spectrum control over Western populations through muh covid pass and Central Bank Digital Currencies, of course.

 

[Feldspar]

I'll ask my own questions.
So it's all about getting to the right department. If you call into the customer service, they will claim they have no idea who to contact, you're out of luck. I'll usually grill them a bit to see if I can get something out of them.
So targeting the HR numbers usually seems like the way to go. Those are sometimes gated by employee id verification. But if you can get to the line where you can complain about employee misconduct, in my experience, it's most common to use navex as it's "third party complain" system. Here's an (old) article I found on Navex's position on mandates.
But occasionally, either through research, or a slip of the lips, you can get a phone number for an actual employee who has spoke to these mandates. One of the ringleaders. The problem with these numbers is... no one answers them. So I just call them periodically to see if eventually they'll answer, like those car warranty guys.

So I haven't ever pen-tested. But it seems like those skills would come in handy for this kind of work. It's like a puzzle you have to navigate to get to the treasure on the inside. I could see this becoming a hobby. My question is, does anyone have any tips for penetrating corporate structure better than what I'm doing?

 

[Fliddaroonie]

My Mom. Who is 60+ and riddled with "pre-existing condishuns" asked me earlier, "how do you feel, Fliddders, about the media cracking down on people who have chosen not to be vaccinated?". She has had the vaccine, but for her age and health profile, the benefits are, thus far, marked and proven, but she respects people making their choice for themselves.

I told her "fuck the media. Fuck the Government". And quoted some Tom MacDonald at her:
"What a vicious cycle we can't break away from
They control the culture, they control the paper
They're indoctrinating a whole generation
'Til the patriots start to hate the nation
The music we love make us dumb and addicted
The news that we watch is brainwashing the children
The viruses, riots, and racist conditions
Ain't problems, they're symptoms of life in the system"

Not heard the woman cry in an age. Some 22 years now. It's a powerful thing, hearing a parent weep. Never in my whole life have those 300 miles felt so goddamn fucking far.

 

[Hippopatumus]

Tom MacDonald is ICP for 40 year olds.

He's great.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

Tom MacDonald is ICP for 40 year olds.

He's great.

He's like a dumbed down Aesop Rock. But so much of what he says is pure and unabashed truth.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Ah darn. Did you miss my post? Those two things you weren't prepared for were things I brought up on how I would approach a live meeting:

The answer for the first one is that your belief is your personal religious belief between yourself and God. The belief of some other person or authority who shares your religion does not preclude you from coming to a different conclusion. You are requesting an accommodation for your personal sincerely held belief, not someone else's interpretation of what your religious belief should be. If you told them you are Catholic I would even argue with them that they are using a bad faith interpretation of Church guidance. That the Church's guidance is not that there is no moral issue with the vaccine but that if the disease poses a "grave danger" and there is no morally clean alternative then the harm due to taking the vaccine is acceptable. The Church explicitly allows people to conclude differently if their conscience tells them so. But they have not denied the existence of a moral dilemma and have not contradicted their long standing position on the ethical issues with using the cells and the concept of religious conscience. "I've concluded that it would violate my religious conscience to take the vaccine and the Church teaches that to violate the sure judgment of Conscience IS to sin. The requirement is requiring me to sin".

For the second one just as I said: "I have no knowledge such thing is true and will assess whether there is actually a conflict with my beliefs before using it". I keep waffling between whether or not one should tell them that they're fucking lying. That list of otc meds comes from an unsourced copy pasta that was going around when the mandates were first being proposed as a attempt at a gotcha ( which to me doesn't look too good that they are going to accept your request; you got some true believers there). And like you found out a bunch of those medicines predate the 1970s abortion the cell lines were derived from so it is on its face a falsehood. And even if true, there are generic versions of those drugs that wouldn't need any developmental testing. The chemical for aspirin doesn't forever become unethical just because Bayer used the aborted cells at some point, only Bayer's aspirin product would be unethical.

I'm curious how you ended up handling those questions at the time and if you may have approached them differently with a bit more info at your disposal?

I saw your post but they were phrased differently enough during the interview that it stunned me briefly. The pepto and asprin thing, specifically, threw me more than anything, because I knew flat out it was an absolute lie. As for the religious leaders thing, I said something akin to "I am a religion of one, my beliefs are personal, and I could easily find a leader of my religion that would tell me that any element of my complaint is just as acceptable as you have found one that says it is unacceptable. I have not taken any such suggestions into mind either way."

For the other meds thing, I stuck with a "I have never knowingly or willingly taken a medicine that was developed using, tested on, or created with human fetal tissue." I kinda felt like the HR lady thought she had me in a gotcha and wasn't happy about writing that one down.

That was another thing. Specifically denied the questions in writing and a transcript of my answers. "Confidential." When I said I was concerned about the accuracy of her transcript, they told me that's why they read the answers back to me. (They did... at a rate of about 1 in 10.)

Of course, I recorded the whole damned thing. Having finished it, I was informed (by someone else) that they would be pushing the mandate back 1 month -- so much for it being based on Biden's EO and out of their hands. Another person, who I trust, let me know outside of work that they apparently are planning to continue to push it back by 1 month repeatedly to avoid ever having to term people, due to them not wanting to get sued.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

An old dude at my local coffee shop this morning started telling me about his Thanksgiving plans, mentioned that everyone in his family was vaccinated and then asked me if I was. Of course I am, my o-too-friendly-stranger. Why else do you think I have the confidence to never wear a mask? And since we're apparently chatting personal matters, tell me, did you vote Democrat or Republican in the Fall election and what were the results of your last HIV test?

 

[Joshuan Moon]

I saw your post but they were phrased differently enough during the interview that it stunned me briefly. The pepto and asprin thing, specifically, threw me more than anything, because I knew flat out it was an absolute lie. As for the religious leaders thing, I said something akin to "I am a religion of one, my beliefs are personal, and I could easily find a leader of my religion that would tell me that any element of my complaint is just as acceptable as you have found one that says it is unacceptable. I have not taken any such suggestions into mind either way."

For the other meds thing, I stuck with a "I have never knowingly or willingly taken a medicine that was developed using, tested on, or created with human fetal tissue." I kinda felt like the HR lady thought she had me in a gotcha and wasn't happy about writing that one down.

That was another thing. Specifically denied the questions in writing and a transcript of my answers. "Confidential." When I said I was concerned about the accuracy of her transcript, they told me that's why they read the answers back to me. (They did... at a rate of about 1 in 10.)

Of course, I recorded the whole damned thing. Having finished it, I was informed (by someone else) that they would be pushing the mandate back 1 month -- so much for it being based on Biden's EO and out of their hands. Another person, who I trust, let me know outside of work that they apparently are planning to continue to push it back by 1 month repeatedly to avoid ever having to term people, due to them not wanting to get sued.

You handled it well. Those were really good answers!

Did they say how your responses would be used verses those from your written request? Because that response about the transcript of your conversation being confidential for you, is total BS. Definitely sounds like they're playing games and you're dealing with an antagonistic force here. Regardless I hope you get an agreeable outcome!

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

I saw your post but they were phrased differently enough during the interview that it stunned me briefly. The pepto and asprin thing, specifically, threw me more than anything, because I knew flat out it was an absolute lie. As for the religious leaders thing, I said something akin to "I am a religion of one, my beliefs are personal, and I could easily find a leader of my religion that would tell me that any element of my complaint is just as acceptable as you have found one that says it is unacceptable. I have not taken any such suggestions into mind either way."

For the other meds thing, I stuck with a "I have never knowingly or willingly taken a medicine that was developed using, tested on, or created with human fetal tissue." I kinda felt like the HR lady thought she had me in a gotcha and wasn't happy about writing that one down.

That was another thing. Specifically denied the questions in writing and a transcript of my answers. "Confidential." When I said I was concerned about the accuracy of her transcript, they told me that's why they read the answers back to me. (They did... at a rate of about 1 in 10.)

Of course, I recorded the whole damned thing. Having finished it, I was informed (by someone else) that they would be pushing the mandate back 1 month -- so much for it being based on Biden's EO and out of their hands. Another person, who I trust, let me know outside of work that they apparently are planning to continue to push it back by 1 month repeatedly to avoid ever having to term people, due to them not wanting to get sued.

Lawyer like yesterday . Call one.

 

[Quijibo69]

There going to make a new strain of Covid after Thanksgiving! Calling it now!

 

[Autistic Joe]

There going to make a new strain of Covid after Thanksgiving! Calling it now!

Lol if they really wanted to mandate the vaxx, they should've injected it into all the turkeys!

 

[JosephStalin]

This is hilarious. All respect to this firefighter.

L.A. firefighter accused of vulgar act in protest over vaccine mandate

The department is investigating a firefighter who is accused of a vulgar act after being given a letter to comply with the city's vaccination mandate.

www.yahoo.com

L.A. firefighter accused of 'despicable act' in protest over vaccine …

archived 25 Nov 2021 02:37:53 UTC

archive.ph

 

[Brain Power]

Well shit, looks like Pfizer'd mom made me fall REALLY sick, something that rarely ever happens. Every time someone doesn't listen to me, something bad happens.