General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[ZMOT]

I'm not sure what you think I have to "make up my mind" about. Hololive automatically gives you a shit ton of subs these days (ex: Omega got 100k as a corpo vtweeter). Holostars doesn't, though that's relatively speaking, as one is still better off being with them than being a male indie 99% of the time. Both can be true because Holostars is not treated by Cover as a part of Hololive.

A single collab doesn't change things, for the same reason why if a Hololive member collabs once with an indie or other agency vtuber, that other vtuber doesn't automatically get all the Hololive fans to join their fanbase. What matters is being a part of the group narrative and interactions. Hololive fans generally view the rich interactions and friendships between the Hololive members as being one of the biggest appeals of Hololive as a whole. Those things lead to memorable memes, stories, moments, etc. Think of all the Minecraft interactions, to name a recent example. Think of the Hololive Sports Festival. There were no Holostars members, nor does anyone question their absence, because they aren't Hololive.

Holostars has always been outside of that fundamental dynamic, and thus does not benefit nearly as much from the Hololive "boost" as anyone who is joining that dynamic does. When people get into Hololive via clips of these moments, they don't get into Holostars. Just because the fans know they exist doesn't change that. Hololive is maintained as an all-female space, and Holostars are outsiders who every now and then get to interact with it, in the same way other agencies/indies occasionally do.

In terms of integration between Hololive and Holostars, it'll probably never happen. Cover has no real reason to change what they are doing and many of their top earners are members whose fans do not want to see them with guys.

because either it gives you a boost or it doesn't, it's that simple. and holo stars literally has holo in it's name, anyone who watches more than surface level has at least heard of the winning son meme.
same for collabs, either it does boost their number or it doesn't. so either any collab with holostars has zero effect (and only for them and indies) or there is one just to a lesser degree.

of course a few collabs here and there won't suddenly boost their their numbers the same degree as the main branch because for starters the "cute girls doing cute things" effect simply isn't there and most dudes have not much use for male asmr etc. but collabs have an effect (else why bother at all), if you never hear about a certain vtuber you'll definitely never start watching someone, doesn't matter if it's another holo or indie. it's also not "holo and everyone else", otherwise you'd inevitably see certain holos get massive boosts after collabs, after all they are actually part of hololive and female. the big question is how holostars can profit from group narrative and interactions if they're not allowed to do it in the first place.
it's also a backwards argument, sure no one asked where holostars was during the sport fest - but then how many people would've had a problem if they would've been there? this is what it comes down to. not an expert on niji but over there no one seems to get it's panty in a twist about it. plus, by that logic I could get nitpicky and ask why azki was there.

as I said before bae just had a collab with them, a few months ago suggesting anyone else besides the usual suspects of mochi cheeks or fubuki doing it would get you stickers, and now it happened with someone from holoEN of all people to the point youtube pushes it's clips on me. most changes don't happen over night, it's like saying "cover will never stop being retarded be less retarded" last year, just compare then to now.

 

[Off course]

I have a question for people who aren't fond of Kiara:

Why do you dislike her, and how could she redeem herself in your opinion?

 

[Eddie IX]

Don't really know any other Aussie streamers (other than Sana and Hakotaro) but given how retarded they seem to be as a country when it comes to shit like video games I would expect that to translate somehow to kids being extremely soft.

I watch a handful of Aussie VTubers and while I do like them, I won't deny that they're all some flavour of menhera.

I and a few others have mentioned the new Prism member Sara Nagare, but I don't think we mentioned she's Aussie.
She doesn't play seiso but also doesn't hornybait, and is very persistent when gaming. Of course, it's still too early to tell if she's crazy in some way, but I think she's super promising tbh.

I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't joking

And nobody she knows irl would say something because chances are she doesn't know anybody. She seems like the never go outside your room neet. Unironically. And the piss bottle she drank from makes it even more believable

She fucking what?! (Does she watch other VTubers? Has she mentioned liking Suisei? Just curious.)

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Even /vt/ is wondering what black magic Yagoo used to acquire her.

Wow, that's an impressive list!
And here I thought Namirin was the biggest miracle hire (incredible singer, speaks native EN and JP, proven popularity, and turned out to be super entertaining as a streamer too).
Well, ok, I guess they can both be miracle hires.

If you haven't been watching Pomu suffer through Mario with Selen and the honey chick on voice call, you're missing out.

I've been enjoying this since I got home today. Two hours later and she still hasn't beaten Bowser. "Suffer" is beginning to be an understatement, if it wasn't already. Chat wants to buy her gamer girl tears.

 

[RainwaterDrop]

as I said before bae just had a collab with them, a few months ago suggesting anyone else besides the usual suspects of mochi cheeks or fubuki doing it would get you stickers, and now it happened with someone from holoEN of all people to the point youtube pushes it's clips on me. most changes don't happen over night, it's like saying "cover will never stop being retarded be less retarded" last year, just compare then to now.

While they aren't doing bad (it's Yagoo's pet project after all, they would have to fuck his wife or something to get fired), they get shafted from collabs precisely because they are guys. Lots of retards in the JP fandom would get a stroke just from seeing the posts about their favorite idols collabing with a guy, this isn't a problem in the ID and EN branches but the JP girls need to be extra careful when considering a collab. Which honestly sucks because they are picked by the same people who pick the girls, they won't hire you if you don't show any potential so just being there is a badge of pride in a way!

I have a question for people who aren't fond of Kiara:

Why do you dislike her, and how could she redeem herself in your opinion?

I'm not on your target demographic, I kind of like her despite her being my least favorite in the EN Gen 1 (Amelia and Gura shine more, Ina is a sweetie, Calli is fine, Kiara is ok) but people often complain about her being too high strung and freaking out about nothing. Plenty of exaggerated complaints about her, she isn't the Satan some people make her out to be and some criticism is just because of her personal politics (which don't spill over to the character), but she needs to chill and enjoy herself and the company of her friends more. She is literally living her dream without the downsides (except for some retarded jokes), earning more than most people out there, getting paid to have fun. It doesn't get much better than this lol!

I've been enjoying this since I got home today. Two hours later and she still hasn't beaten Bowser. "Suffer" is beginning to be an understatement, if it wasn't already. Chat wants to buy her gamer girl tears.

I have been downloading and playing some older games to play on my work breaks as of late (nostalgia and you get dozens of games at a fraction of the hard drive space of a modern one), some older games are definetly harder either intentionally or because the controls are clunky as shit compared to modern controls. Nintendo 64 games are a good example of this so it's not totally on her lol!

 

[Moth Enjoyer]

If you haven't been watching Pomu suffer through Mario with Selen and the honey chick on voice call, you're missing out.

This is fucking hilarious Pomu is breaking down at the seams

 

[grenskul]

I have a question for people who aren't fond of Kiara:

Why do you dislike her, and how could she redeem herself in your opinion?

I disliked her in the keeki days and a certain discord kinda made hating her a meme and eventually it just became a thing.

 

[Takodachi]

I have a question for people who aren't fond of Kiara:

Why do you dislike her, and how could she redeem herself in your opinion?

She lost me on her first Minecraft meltdown from last year, where she almost cried because she didnt have the foresight to ask her manager if her PC could play a game and stream at the same time.
I can't stand neurotic women, I have been surrounded by them my entire life so I hate them with the intensity of a thousand white hot blinding suns of hateful fury.

 

[kukkia]

Pomu is dying....

 

[danny jr]

I have a question for people who aren't fond of Kiara:

Why do you dislike her, and how could she redeem herself in your opinion?

I don't really have anything against her but she injects herself into her character too much imo. I like when chuubas such as Ina don't bring the roommate into the character and any personal stories they tell are pretty sterile (I like boring chuubas). Her fans seem to like that, though, so it's not like she can change that.

 

[Titos]

I'm very disturbed to learn that seemingly no chuubas have played IWBTG. Saddened to see stuff like Getting Over It replace the classic ragebait games.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

You know, I was just coming to point this out too….

The fuck?

 

[FlappyBat]

I have a question for people who aren't fond of Kiara:

Why do you dislike her, and how could she redeem herself in your opinion?

This feels like bait to have another 10 pages of doom sperging, but may as well jump in. She can be very high strung and neurotic. If I'm watching something to relax, having that combination is not what I'm looking for.

Especially with streamers where it can create an unhealthy relationship with your viewers where you are rewarded with money for shitting out all your negative thoughts on stream. No one needs to savior fag a chick making well into 6 figures for what most people her age would consider a dream job.

She also can come off like she has the need to be the center of attention in collabs. Instead of letting the conversation ebb and flow naturally with everyone being in the spotlight some of the time.

In addition the keyfab with her and Cali at the start wasn't something I liked. Even if it was all pretend, just not really fun to watch for me. This is less of a thing recently, which is nice.

I've definitely seen some streams of her's I liked. I think one thing they had in common was something sort of for her to focus on. I think that structure and focus helps avoid her spiraling off into negative thought patterns which is good for everyone.

Also, the Keeki streams seem to be better. Maybe it's the voice or maybe she is actually a little more chilled out in them. Never watched for more than a few minutes though.

 

[Protistology]

this isn't a problem in the ID and EN branches

Have you spent 10 minutes in the EN community?

I have a question for people who aren't fond of Kiara:

Why do you dislike her, and how could she redeem herself in your opinion?

Thot.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I can understand Kiara’s hang ups given the shit she’s been through. She was probably waiting that whole first year for life to kick her in the face again and end up having to graduate for one reason or another.

I’ve personally never hated her and actually really enjoy her stuff

 

[Avokado]

Your Weekly Dose of HoloGra

 

[Scuttle]

The Enna-Millie stream was the first EN Off-collab we've had since Kiara/Mori over a year ago. It was a karaoke/chat stream!

 

[Chronic Lurker]

I may as well say my piece on the chicken. I actually don't mind her much, early on she was my second favorite in myth. But overtime several things worked her down to last or tied with calli for last. As several others have mentioned her constant obsessing over how she compared with the others got exhausting to listen to, and takamori went from being somewhat cute keyfabe to being annoying REAL fast. There are several other things that put me off a little, her horny routine gets uncomfortable sometimes when it drifts closer to matsuri than marine, and sometimes she can't tell when a joke isn't funny or has been run into the ground.

That being said I still enjoy her, and think her greatest strength is how good she is at collabs, whether its with other members of Myth, Irys, Council, Holotori, or others she is better when in a collab (as others tend to reign in her worse traits) and improves the collab as a whole since she is kinda a jack of all trades personality. It sucks she is Austria, and so separated from the others because the timezone issue kinda does hamper her greatest strength.

Maybe she could move to the US or Canada to be closer to some of the EN members, but other than that she just needs stop freaking out over her numbers and enjoy herself.

 

[TheMonkeyMan]

Holy shit this Earthbound stream with Calli. She stopped praying after the "absorbed by the darkness" part and had to restart the final battle.

 

[Doki doki]

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Michiru from Phase Connect had a karaoke yesterday (link above) and it got privated a couple of days later, does anyone have the archive? I know, the only one you can trust is yourself but I've been too busy to figure out why certain videos are giving errors with youtube-dl. In return I bring presents from the chans, I thought it was pretty neat (please don't hate the messenger). I think they did the photoshop out of love.


Edit - Deleted the second part but will repost if you want, after rereading it, I don't think the one who wrote it was being nice.

 

[RiverBear]

The Enna-Millie stream was the first EN Off-collab we've had since Kiara/Mori over a year ago. It was a karaoke/chat stream!

>Since Kiara/Mori
>a year ago

Uhhhh...

I mean, tbf, sometimes I forget Irys is a thing