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@Rapechu, shorter posts plz lol so I can properly quote
Soviets were also trying to exonerate themselves with Katyn, none of that with the Holocaust. They had 100x more reason to do try to turn the Katyn thing around, cuz it was a big issue with them and the Polish people.
In addition the Germans had presented strong evidence of Soviet involvement, so burden of proof was higher.
Still you submit they mysteriously coerced hundreds of German witnesses to vouch for Holocaust, forged hundreds or thousands of documents, and it was very very easy, and yet they did not do this for Katyn. You need a lot of conspiracy brain to stomach this shit
Soviets had amassed 100 witnesses willing to falsely testify for Katyn.
Conclusions of the Special Commission
From the totality of material available to the Special Commission,
particularly from the testimonies of the 100 witnesses interrogated by
the Commission[.....]
So yes, the soviets are very capable of producing hundreds of false witnesses, as they have demonstrated. Just because something is a "conspiracy" doesn't mean it's false. Real conspiracies exist all the time.
https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/inchoate-crimes/conspiracy/ It would only be even easier to find false witnesses for the holocaust than it was to find false witnesses for Katyn, as I think it would be uncontroversial to say that jews hated Germany more than Poles did as a result of German policies.
So basically this comes down to: are you willing to believe that the Soviets wouldn't tamper with the holocaust evidence (by editting a few words or numbers), after they've been caught outright fabricating Katyn evidence out of nothing? In a modern court, if the prosecutor was found to have tampered with evidence, it would result in a mistrial and the prosecutor would be disbarred, and forever banned from acting as a prosecutor again, and the results of the trial would be thrown out, with a new jury and a new prosecutor. So by the modern law which we currently live by, the Soviets are not considered to be a viable prosecutor or source of uncritically-accepted evidence.
No but practical reason. As an example the last piece of evidence I posted, Becker letter, features much more details to be corroborated, not to mention participants (Rauff and Becker) were somehow allowed to live in West Germany, ostensibly under constant KGB supervision.
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Memo of Willy Just of 5 June 1942 on "ninety-seven thousand have been processed using three vans"
The holocaust is officially believed to have started on the government meeting on 20 January 1942, right? so You are telling me that in 5 and a half months (which includes winter months, and assumes that the gas vans sprang into action on the very same day), 3 vans killed 97,000 people? This is one major reason why I cannot believe any of this. The numbers are just so screwy.
re Lithuania, the Jewish population pre-war was 250,000 . If 25% were kept alive for labor purposes, that is about 62,000 people. If you're saying these labor camps were tiny and they were distributed throughout that makes 125 camps of 500 people each.
I think that is perfectly reasonable, to have small work camps engaged in road building, mining, tree logging, etc. in various places. I can drive down to the backwoods of my country and pass by dozens of small and mid-sized logging or quarrying operations without even particularly looking for them. Though in the Baltics, there are larger camps (around 20,000 people) attested to as well.
A big question is what about the non-working labor pool (children, elderly, sick or weak)? According to all German documents on the matter, these made up a majority of Jews in German hands (usual estimates were 70-80% non-employable). You should be able to find evidence of these non-employable Jews being held somewhere in the East, but there's nothing. The ghettos in Ostland (the most reasonable place for them to be held) were without exception liquidated.
Just looking in Belarus, I can find evidence of camps and ghettoes where jews were recorded to have been sent: Mary Trostinets, Baranavichy, Kodanovo, Stolbtsy, etc. These are all alleged to be death camps, but then again, so was Buchenwald, and that was proven false. Actually, I can't name a single major camp in the USSR proper that is claimed to be a labor or transit camp, and I can't name a single camp west of the iron curtain that is still claimed to be a death camp. This is far too coincidental for my liking, as the soviets are by far the least trustworthy source of all of Germany's enemies, and if they say that every single camp/settlement ghetto is an extermination site, contrary to what has been observed in the west, then I would take that with a big grain of salt.
There is good reason too, I think, to doubt that Mary Trostinets was a death camp, which is that there were never alleged to be any gas chambers there, or crematoria. The official story is that jews sent to the camp would be unloaded from their train outside the camp, driven into the woods and shot. So this raises the question of: what was the camp itself for? The ostensible purpose of other death camps is that they had facilities which made the mass executions possible (like gas chambers that could kill hundreds at a time). Without these things, it is questionable what the purpose of the camp was, given that no actual killings took place inside of it (other than the claim that the Germans ultimately burnt it down with the prisoners still inside). The lack of actual killing or corpse disposal facilities, indicates a lack of premeditated intent for mass killing.
So to answer your question more directly, if the women and children were executed on spot, then there would be an imbalance of sexes in the census data after the war, there would be more male survivors than female survivors (there are naturally 5% more males than females born as well, so this would be the case even in the event of no genocide, to a smaller degree). However, the opposite was true, that there were (using census data from Germany), 92,374 jewish males in Germany and 125,114 jewish females in Germany. This includes many female widows aged 65+. so this indicates that jewish men were more likely to due during ww2 than jewish women.
