Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once

[KiwiFuzz]

Regarding point number 1 - it goes beyond Jazz being a eunuch.

As far as I know, her family has money, and so Jazz doesn't need to work to support herself. People that age find common ground playing sports together, or working a shitty job, or connecting through living situations (maybe you dislike your roommate but hit it off with one of their friends). Jazz isn't growing as a person because she isn't being forced to

He's lived in the same house his whole life. It's not like at the time the show was filmed he'd gone off to college and he's wandering around the dorms on move-in day not knowing a soul. Why doesn't he have friends from high school or other social activities?

I think one of my frustrations here is that I don't understand their socioeconomic situation or their values.

Like despite being a poorfag myself, I have known tons of upper-middle class people, and everything I can think of that would "help" Jazz is through that framework.

I've previously proposed going on a meditation retreat or moving to a commune for a month. Something crunchy that will keep him off the internet and away from external bullshit. Go be a camp counselor at troon camp. Go vegan or gluten-free or some shit. Get a personal trainer; I've had one before and it was affordable and very helpful. Volunteer at the local AIDS prevention and resource center. Has he done a birthright trip? Jews can go on a trip to Israel for free. Take an art class at the JC. Go on a road trip to the Keys or Yellowstone. Take up a hobby like fly fishing or trap shooting. Take some cooking classes. Get a dog. Join a coven. Start your own clothing line.

And I guess the particular values I'm trying to lay over the situation are the value of well-roundedness (I mean he is roumd but not like that), the value of staying busy, and the value of a granola-based lifestyle.

To me, they seem like rich trash.

And I think that feeds into why Jazz seems stupid. Smart people I know are curious about the world around them, but Jazz doesn't seem interested in anything.

And that goes back to the not having friends. Like powerlevel but last week everyone at my work was really interested in wild mushrooms. I think it sounds like a fine way to die, but in the interests of being a good chum, I acted interested, asked questions, and generally went along to get along.

Even complete autists are able to make friends because they are interested in things and so they do shit like networking with fellow Magic:The Gathering fags in new places.

The world is Jazz's oyster but he doesn't seem able to create solutions that would be obvious to people in the circles I travel in.

 

[Medicinal Molduga]

People with a deeply damaged self-esteem have a very hard time making friends. Saying that Jazz's self-esteem has been obliterated seems like an understatement.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

I disagree. The twins and Ari aren't guilty, they've grown up "groomed" into trans bs. They are adults now but also is Jazz, so it really doesn't matter.

I disagree. Jazz is an adult but he never underwent normal puberty and got his genitals multilated. Ari and the twins on the other hand developed normally. They can chose to leave their trans ally bubble any time. But they don't want to. Not realizing they are harming Jazz or being too scared to speak out, doesn't make them less guilty.

 

[General Disarray]

Speaking of Jazz's glaring lack of friends, it reminds me of Desmond is Amazing. I am unsure whether having siblings makes a difference, because the ones Jazz has should have, as another comment said, tell TLC and the family to fuck off, and to have a heart-to-heart with Jazz about his situation. Someone needs to take some serious control in both cases, and it's sad that they have no friends to confide in - it's all for the screen time.

 

[passionpoop]

I disagree. Jazz is an adult but he never underwent normal puberty and got his genitals multilated. Ari and the twins on the other hand developed normally. They can chose to leave their trans ally bubble any time. But they don't want to. Not realizing they are harming Jazz or being too scared to speak out, doesn't make them less guilty.

Is this fair to say when they were all taught the same bull shit? It's like expecting somebody within a cult to suddenly wake up and realize it's a cult. How would they do that...?

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Does anybody else feel like TLC is neutral to the trans agenda and will immediately turn on that community as soon as it is in fashion to do so? I honestly get the vibe that if it was profitable and acceptable to spin everything that happened to Jazz as 'tragic', they would.

A lot of the time I feel like TLC is lowkey trolling with the sort of shitshows they put out under the guise of being supportive.

You’re correct. Those who follow fashion and pop culture are by nature bandwagoners. They were unironically the ones who would jerk off a mustached German in the 1920s and 1930s. They are simply a bellwether of the times. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[T.E.R.F]

I disagree. Jazz is an adult but he never underwent normal puberty and got his genitals multilated. Ari and the twins on the other hand developed normally. They can chose to leave their trans ally bubble any time. But they don't want to. Not realizing they are harming Jazz or being too scared to speak out, doesn't make them less guilty.

I mean, maybe, but they can't really be guilty of something that was never their responsability. In any case I don't judge the siblings. I think it's fair to say they are all true believers at this point (and why wouldn't they be?). But even if they weren't, from their point of view, what exactly would be the benefit? Even admitting the truth to themselves would bring upon a life ruining existential crisis I think. The damage may have been done to Jazz, but their entire lives were dedicated to that lie.

It would destroy and embarrass the family -- both the pro-tranny and anti-tranny people would hate them. Plus, who says anyone is going to listen? I can't imagine how one of the siblings would begin to have that conversation. And Jeanette seems vindictive as hell. They'd risk cutting themselves off from their family with no guarantee that anything would even change. And even if everyone did listen, Jazz is already mutilated.

Obviously I think Jazz deserves the truth and that's his only hope at making the best of an inevitably horrible situation, but I don't blame the siblings for not risking ruining their lives for a potential upside of...well, who fucking knows, but not much.

 

[NerdShamer]

Obviously I think Jazz deserves the truth and that's his only hope at making the best of an inevitably horrible situation,

He probably knows part of it, at this point. I think the constant pain from his axe wound and subsequent explosion is an reminder on how fucked up his life is.

All it takes his him surfing the web to find a job or a place to crash.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

He probably knows part of it, at this point. I think the constant pain from his axe wound and subsequent explosion is an reminder on how fucked up his life is.

All it takes his him surfing the web to find a job or a place to crash.

Part of my earlier spergout about him not having friends is that he has more ways of making real and fake friends than we could ever dream of but he seemingly fails in all of them.

Hometown Friends
Internet Friends
Networking Friends
Celebrity Friends (people who he sucks up to)
Stan Friends (people who suck up to him)

And there might be overlaps.

But like one of the things that I keep coming back to is the idea of shitty influencer and wellness retreats, where some rich cnut says, "Hey Jazz, let's hang out! Glamping at Slide Ranch next month XOXO!" and he goes out there and fucks around for a week and shallow friendships are forged.

This sounds like a space he could fit into.

Not my space, but a space.

 

[Rabidcolombian]

I deserve my fucking win

 

[6thRanger]

Jazz can't handle the truth in the paradigm the world is currently in. It's such a fundamental and devastating life shattering truth that few people alive could handle it. Someone who has been groomed to be a narcissistic coddled ball of anxiety, low self-esteem and depression is not that person. His own family are his jailers. His memories and beliefs are shackles around his wrist. Each day he's repeatedly encouraged to stay in his cell by being rewarded for it in attention and admiration. To top it off, TLC is showing the world his prison, amplifying all the perverse incentives for this to continue.

Jazz's only hope is for the world's approach to the "trans" phenomenon (particularly trans kids) to fundamentally shift; so much that outside forces challenge & defeat his jailers (family) and his encouragers (fans), leaving Jazz with the still monumental battle of breaking his shackles( the memories and beliefs he has). Jazz can't win this alone. There's pushback now, and if things swing the way I suspect (and hope), in a few years he will have a fighting chance, but right now it is impossible. The world that has done this to Jazz needs to change for Jazz to have a chance.

The battle that lies ahead is almost insurmountable even in that better future. The story of Jaron is one of the most absurdly horrific cases of child abuse to be broadcast on television. I just truly hope one day people can look back on this in shock in the same way we discuss lobotomies and leeches.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

and leeches.

Leeches are still used for medical purposes

 

[all4mom2]

He probably knows part of it, at this point. I think the constant pain from his axe wound and subsequent explosion is an reminder on how fucked up his life is.

As much fun as this is to repeat, there's no evidence that Jazz experiences ongoing pain from "his axe wound" nor that any "explosion" is imminent. The Irish butcher declared him completely healed from it with no further surgeries necessary, and Jazz voiced satisfaction with its "function," so I see no reason to doubt it. Jazz is obviously in pain, but it's mental, emotional, spiritual, and existential rather than physical at this point (aside from his aching joints from hauling that heft around).

 

[Gilkore]

As much fun as this is to repeat, there's no evidence that Jazz experiences ongoing pain from "his axe wound" nor that any "explosion" is imminent. The Irish butcher declared him completely healed from it with no further surgeries necessary, and Jazz voiced satisfaction with its "function," so I see no reason to doubt it. Jazz is obviously in pain, but it's mental, emotional, spiritual, and existential rather than physical at this point (aside from his aching joints from hauling that heft around).

Yeah no reason to doubt a butcher or troon who says that the surgery has gone swimmingly lol. I'm sure he's stoked and that there's no reason to predict issues like prolapse, fistulas or tearing (and subsequent pooping out of it), developing chronic UTIs because of overall filth and hairballs, orange colored ooze, loss of depth, nerve pain, etc any of which Jazz would DEFINITELY admit to on television, right? Come on. That shit could fall apart today. A "good result" from a troon butcher only means "you aren't currently bleeding out"

 

[BroccoliBrain]

1. Jazz has nothing to talk about beyond kid shit. He's stunted, spoiled, and incredibly self-centered. He can't relate to anything male but he lacks an understanding of women as well. He's whiny, awkward, and often thinks he's naturally entitled to people's unconditional support. If you were going through rough emotional shit, he wouldn't know how to comfort you. Not unless the cameras are rolling.

About points 1 and 3, I didn't actually watch the show until recently and now I understand what people meant by how much of a child he is. Not just in terms of maturity but he has a little child face and voice in the frame of a morbidly obese...person, if I were being generous he still comes across like a 14 or 15 year old but he sure as hell isn't a 21 year old woman. No wonder his peers ignore him, that energy he projects must be x200 stronger in person. It must be maddening being him and crying out to your family in the only way you know how (like a child) yet they ignore it and everybody else who could possibly ground him doesn't want to deal with his juvenile ass.

Jeanette insists his depression wasn't to do with transitioning but it looks like she hasn't even bothered thinking of an excuse to blame it on, it's not like Jazz has ever been bullied or they'd milk that, and they would never say the family has a history of mental illness. Is she going with 'depression is a chemical imbalance' bullshit and/or saying Jazz became depressed due to vague, made-up transphobia?

 

[NotYourMom]

and they would never say the family has a history of mental illness.

They did say that.

A quick googling will get you the following info:

Depression runs on the maternal side of Jazz’s family.

Jazz was originally medicated for depression around age 12.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

A part of me dosn't want Jazz to ever find out because he's not a normal person. This isn't him finding out his girlfriend cheated: this is discovering that your mother's beliefs mutilated your body.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

this is discovering that your mother's beliefs mutilated your body.

And that your spineless father didn't protect you.

 

[all4mom2]

To play devil's advocate... Greg was against Jazz having the surgery as a minor, but they did it anyway. Greg didn't want Jazz getting a tattoo, so they did it behind his back. He was against her dressing in public as a girl, but was overridden and finally persuaded that Jazz would kill himself if not allowed to. I mean, short of divorcing Jeanette and somehow winning full custody while working full-time (and overtime to support his ex and four kids), then defying the advice of all the "experts" whom he, too, believed, how was he to have prevented this? Just asking.

 

[Confederate Fag]

To play devil's advocate... Greg was against Jazz having the surgery as a minor, but they did it anyway. Greg didn't want Jazz getting a tattoo, so they did it behind his back. He was against her dressing in public as a girl, but was overridden and finally persuaded that Jazz would kill himself if not allowed to. I mean, short of divorcing Jeanette and somehow winning full custody while working full-time (and overtime to support his ex and four kids), then defying the advice of all the "experts" whom he, too, believed, how was he to have prevented this? Just asking.

You already answered your own question. He would’ve prevented it by doing everything you just listed. Even just by adding an argument against this shit sternly would’ve helped by providing another perspective to his child, but he couldn’t even do that. This is your child’s life. If you have to leave with the kids and take your narc munchie wife to court to keep your kid safe, you fucking do it. Him mumbling, “hmmm I don’t know about this”, like a cowardly bitch instead of putting his foot down tells me he never set boundaries with his wife and that he’s useless beyond being a human wallet, which is probably why no one in his family seems to care what he has to say. Act like a bitch, get treated like a bitch.