Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[saiyajin]

At the TCPA stage, you mong, not the trial stage.

Also where is this rule that a plaintiff must bring more evidence than pure testimony to prevail at trial?

You're still bad at this.

If you don't like being made fun of, go back to twitter and tweet about the mean Kiwifarmers.

>where is this rule that a plaintiff must bring more evidence than pure testimony to prevail at trial?
you said it yourself earlier, "actual malice". Vic knew he needed more than just the assertion "they're lying about me" when he took the case to court, that's why he included as much evidence as he possibly could, but I think we could agree that Ty Beard did not handle the evidence very well. Really, if Vic had a better lawyer who actually had experience with defamation, he probably would've gotten farther than with Ty Beard.

 

[Kaiser14]

Rekieta didn't help file a lawsuit,he's not vics lawyer. The others have been just as provocative toward the fanbase & creating controversy in regards to the situation yet are not bullied or publicly called out by other vas. You entire argument is "well so and so is a Christian conservative & they are still at funi so bullying doesn't occur" when multiple sources & examples have shown that if you offend,stand up to,or go against "the clique" you are bullied,ostracized or basically denied work.

Never said Rekieta was Vic’s lawyer. He did assist by setting up the GoFundMe that provided the funding and introduced Ty Beard to Vic.

Besides Rolon, what other VAs have explicitly mentioned they have lost work solely because of being bullied/ostracized for being Christian or conservative?

Also, if you don’t mind, but please define “the clique”.

 

[LawTwitter is Dumb]

>where is this rule that a plaintiff must bring more evidence than pure testimony to prevail at trial?
you said it yourself earlier, "actual malice". Vic knew he needed more than just the assertion "they're lying about me" when he took the case to court, that's why he included as much evidence as he possibly could, but I think we could agree that Ty Beard did not handle the evidence very well. Really, if Vic had a better lawyer who actually had experience with defamation, he probably would've gotten farther than with Ty Beard.

He handled it fine, as Ty said it's basic torts, nothing special. Sure Ty messed up a good bit, but the defense did much worse and Chupp, well chupped it up for everyone.

 

[TheClappening]

He handled it fine, as Ty said it's basic torts, nothing special. Sure Ty messed up a good bit, but the defense did much worse and Chupp, well chupped it up for everyone.

Chupp is a judge who ruled Monica accusing Vic of attacking her in his hotel isn't defamatory, but ruled that the Maggret's writing negative yelp reviews was actionable defamation. The Maggrett's ruling was later overturned by the appeals court.

No one could see the Chupp coming.

 

[giraffes on coffee]

When has Vic talked about Jeff?

On his streams. Jeff even came on camera a few times. Jeff helped Vic build his Star Trek/Star Wars geek room. He's helped Vic build custom lightsabers. That's how they became friends. On a site for people to talk about custom lightsabers.

Quick question, why do you not believe they are friends?

Nowhere did Vic say she initiated the interaction with a hug, that's you putting words in his mouth. I think Vic made it clear how it started, there is no need to be dishonest.

You might want to watch this then.

 

[Volmsaiyan]

Never said Rekieta was Vic’s lawyer. He did assist by setting up the GoFundMe that provided the funding and introduced Ty Beard to Vic.

Besides Rolon, what other VAs have explicitly mentioned they have lost work solely because of being bullied/ostracized for being Christian or conservative?

Also, if you don’t mind, but please define “the clique”.

The clique is the Lil group of funimations voice actors who constantly pal around together kiss the ass of Chris "suck the pole for role" sabat & appear in most dubs threaten to blacklist cons for inviting people they don't like or kneel to their demands of how to run it & defend/attack anyone who disagrees or questions their circle. & guy you've obviously seen the same examples as everyone else of the bullying & its not my place to interpret them for you, you seemed convinced & keep circling back to the same thing

 

[KittyLoaf]

Stephanie Nadolney is a notable example.

 

[saiyajin]

You might want to watch this then.

just watched. he points out that he and Marchi have had multiple friendly interactions. He doesn't say the hair-grab incident was started off by a hug of any kind. Regardless, that video is not part of his testimony in court. If he had said in this video that Marchi had initiated the contact with a hug, it would be an added detail that wasn't testified in the deposition. Seems like a very important detail to carelessly leave out in your actual testimony under oath.

 

[LawTwitter is Dumb]

just watched. he points out that he and Marchi have had multiple friendly interactions. He doesn't say the hair-grab incident was started off by a hug of any kind. Regardless, that video is not part of his testimony in court. If he had said in this video that Marchi had initiated the contact with a hug, it would be an added detail that wasn't testified in the deposition. Seems like a very important detail to carelessly leave out in your actual testimony under oath.

It's literally in Marchis affidavit that she hugs him first...

 

[saiyajin]

It's literally in Marchis affidavit that she hugs him first...

right, MARCHI'S declaration, not Vic's deposition. She says "Plaintiff walked over to me and we gave each other a hug, which is a relatively common greeting among voice actors who've worked together before"
Am I to believe Marchi about the hug, but not anything else she says? If she's saying they hugged and Vic isn't mentioning it at all, that's already a conflict in testimony. Seems like you'd want me to believe Marchi over Vic but only for this detail. Are we just picking and choosing what is true but only for Marchi and not Vic as well? The only thing that seems to be corroborated by both sides is that physical contact was made in the form of Vic grabbing hair. You want me to believe Marchi for this detail and not anything else?

 

[LawTwitter is Dumb]

right, MARCHI'S declaration, not Vic's deposition. She says "Plaintiff walked over to me and we gave each other a hug, which is a relatively common greeting among voice actors who've worked together before"
Am I to believe Marchi about the hug, but not anything else she says? If she's saying they hugged and Vic isn't mentioning it at all, that's already a conflict in testimony. Seems like you'd want me to believe Marchi over Vic but only for this detail. Are we just picking and choosing what is true but only for Marchi and not Vic as well? The only thing that seems to be corroborated by both sides is that physical contact was made in the form of Vic grabbing hair. You want me to believe Marchi for this detail and not anything else?

People use half truths all the time, they were used all the time in this lawsuit. In Vics depo he also states she came and hugged him and then he played with her hair, it's corroborated by both parties she hugged him first. Is this too hard to understand?

 

[saiyajin]

In Vics depo he also states she came and hugged him and then he played with her hair, it's corroborated by both parties she hugged him first. Is this too hard to understand?

no, he did not say that a hug initiated the hair-grab incident in his own deposition, Jamie greeted him with "HEY HON!"

Vic Mignogna Calls Out Chris Sabat (Vic Mignogna Deposition Part 4)

►Nick Rekieta went over part 4 of Vic Mignogna's Deposition last night, which consisted of Vic calling out Chris Sabat. He stated that believes that Chris Sa...

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18:32 is when Vic is asked about Jamie Marchi. Later at 19:28 when he describes the "mis-characterized" incident, he says:

"I had come in to record one day for Funimation, and I was in the lobby, she was there, and she had just changed her hair somehow...probably as far away as I am from Casey and she said 'HEY HON!' and I'm like 'OH MY GOSH, I LOVE YOUR HAIR!' and she's like 'I knooow, I just got it-' and I walked around the counter and I was kinda standing there, kinda flipping it like 'oh my gosh, it's really beautiful, I love it' and I put my hand up in the bottom of it like 'ouuhh, this is great"' (this is when this GIF takes place https://tenor.com/view/vic-vic-mignogna-mignogna-gif-18653766?_r=g ) It was not painful, it was not hurtful, it was not sexual."

then he continues about how they'd both had a friendly interaction just soon before any allegations were posted and how his grabbing of hair is being mis-characterized as "pulled her hair and that I whispered something sexual in her ear, which absolutely is not true"

when did he say they hugged each other?

 

[LawTwitter is Dumb]

no, he did not say that a hug initiated the hair-grab incident in his own deposition, Jamie greeted him with "HEY HON!"

Vic Mignogna Calls Out Chris Sabat (Vic Mignogna Deposition Part 4)

►Nick Rekieta went over part 4 of Vic Mignogna's Deposition last night, which consisted of Vic calling out Chris Sabat. He stated that believes that Chris Sa...

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18:32 is when Vic is asked about Jamie Marchi. Later at 19:28 when he describes the "mis-characterized" incident, he says:

"I had come in to record one day for Funimation, and I was in the lobby, she was there, and she had just changed her hair somehow...probably as far away as I am from Casey and she said 'HEY HON!' and I'm like 'OH MY GOSH, I LOVE YOUR HAIR!' and she's like 'I knooow, I just got it-' and I walked around the counter and I was kinda standing there, kinda flipping it like 'oh my gosh, it's really beautiful, I love it' and I put my hand up in the bottom of it like 'ouuhh, this is great"' (this is when this GIF takes place https://tenor.com/view/vic-vic-mignogna-mignogna-gif-18653766?_r=g ) It was not painful, it was not hurtful, it was not sexual."

then he continues about how they'd both had a friendly interaction just soon before any allegations were posted and how his grabbing of hair is being mis-characterized as "pulled her hair and that I whispered something sexual in her ear, which absolutely is not true"

when did he say they hugged each other?

God this is Fat levels of being pedantic, if you can't understand this little tiny thing by yourself then idk. I'm done.

 

[TheClappening]

People use half truths all the time, they were used all the time in this lawsuit. In Vics depo he also states she came and hugged him and then he played with her hair, it's corroborated by both parties she hugged him first. Is this too hard to understand?

I don't know why he's homing in so hard on this detail, but he's right. Vic doesn't specifically say Jamie hugged him first.

Both accounts agree that Vic approached first, then eventually he started to touch her hair. The missing detail is that Jamie claims she hugged Vic first.

It's ultimately autistic nitpicking at this stage, the (appeal for the) TCPA. All that matters is that Vic denied the events as Jamie described them, and that should be good enough to counteract her claims. Whether Jamie hugged Vic first or not will be an important detail for a jury to apply to the event at trial, and we're not there yet.

 

[saiyajin]

I don't know why he's homing in so hard on this detail, but he's right. Vic doesn't specifically say Jamie hugged him first.

Both accounts agree that Vic approached first, then eventually he started to touch her hair. The missing detail is that Jamie claims she hugged Vic first.

It's ultimately autistic nitpicking at this stage, the (appeal for the) TCPA. All that matters is that Vic denied the events as Jamie described them, and that should be good enough to counteract her claims. Whether Jamie hugged Vic first or not will be an important detail for a jury to apply to the event at trial, and we're not there yet.

call it pendantic or autistic nitpicking, but it doesn't help Vic to put words in his mouth, that's what Marchi did when she said he whispered something sexual in her ear. Dishonesty or false memory?

 

[Mister Y2]

Depositions are full of approximative statements that are easily clarified on the stand, and nothing in it should be regarded without aknowledging that it was said in the context of a deposition. On the stand, Ty would be able to ask Vic if he touched, grabbed, pulled, anyone's hair, and Vic would be able to answer properly with "yes" or "no" to each specific separate question.

Saying Vic admitted to pull Jamie's jair because he somehow agreed to some of Lemoine's misleading questions while he clearly stated several times he has issue with the word "pulling" and that he didn't do anything violent, hurtful, or painful, is as stupid as saying Ron is de facto guilty because he admitted he is (which he technically did).

When people speak, they make mistakes, and misuse words, and unless you're mentally challenged, you should be able to understand the intent behind their words. And it's pretty clear to anyone with a normal IQ that Vic did touch Jamie's hair but that he never did anything remotely agressive. In fact, in his deposition, he only admitted grabbing Monica's hair (not pulling, just grabbing, huge difference), and to "flipping" Jamie's hair, and then putting his hand at the bottom, not even grabbing them.

And if you think the last answer quoted bellow is an admission, then you need to read the question again: "Ms. Marchi certainly WOULDN'T be the first woman whose hair you've pulled?" is an hypothetical. And even then, Vic still repeated that he took issue with the word "pulling", as in I don't agree I ever pulled anyone's hair, but if you put the violent aspect aside, yes, I have grabbed women's hair, and Jamie WOULDN'T be the first one IF I grabbed her hair.

Q. Do you have a penchant for pulling the hair of female guests at conventions?
A. No.
Q. You don't put your hand up -- slide your hand up there and pull their hair, pull their neck back?
A. No.

Q. And do you recall grabbing her by the back of her hair and pulling her hair?
A. I -- well, I -- I -- I recall doing that, not in a violent or hurtful way, but in a playful way. Ms. Rial used to be a hairdresser. She's always kind of changing her hairstyles over the years and coloring cool colors and -- and I -- and I always used to comment on how much I loved her hair or her new hairstyle. It's really disingenuous to use the term pulling hair, too, because it sounds -- it just has a connotation of being somehow violent, and it -- it was never that.

Q. What is it that Jamie Marchi has done to defame you?
A. Wow. Well, apart from mischaracterizing a very casual, brief interaction in public and the lobby at Funimation, (...)

Q. So what was it exactly that she mischaracterized or took out of context?
A. She mischaracterize -- my memory of -- of the event with Jamie was that I had come in to record one day at Funimation, and I was in the lobby and she was there, and she had just changed her hair somehow. She had -- she was wearing it differently or she had cut it somehow. Probably as far away as I am from Casey, and she said, Hey, Hon. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, I love your hair. And she's like, I know, I just got it -- and I walked around the -- the -- the counter, and I was kind of standing there kind of flipping it and like, oh, my gosh, it's really beautiful, I love it. And I -- and I put my hand up in the bottom of it and I'm like, oh, this is great. It was not painful, it was not hurtful, it was not sexual, and it happened at least four or five years ago, maybe longer.

Q. And the account online is that you pulled her hair?
A. And that I pulled her hair and that I -- that I whispered something sexual in her ear, which absolutely is not true. I do not, have not, ever had any sexual interest in Jamie.
Q. Ms. Marchi certainly wouldn't be the first woman whose hair you've pulled?
A. No. We've established that. But I would take issue with the word pulling hair. That sounds like something you do in a fight with somebody, and that is not the intent ever. Nor do I believe they took it that way at the time.

 

[General Gunther]

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Remember kids, never look at BT's twitter unless you want to see cringe or have a high tolerance for it.

Also this shouldn't be a shock to anyone but I have come more to the conclusion that BT isn't really a moron, he's what people on the right refer to as a Midwit. I've said in the past that he's the poster child for the Dunning-Krueger effect but I think Midwit is a more accurate description for him.

 

[SupahAuspregatist]

Geez, this is what sucks about being busy during the day. I get to miss a lot of the autistic goal post moving. @saiyajin, first off, I did notice earlier you did do some double posting. Careful not to do that, I don't want you to get in trouble that. For this case, how it started does not really matter since the whole point of the case is the interaction being defined as assault or not, and for someone who claims to be a strong woman who takes crap from no one, this is very contradictive to her waiting years later to complain about it on twitter. You also seem very confused by the penal code you posted. I'm sure we all can agree that points 1 and 2 are very obvious and easy to understand, right? So point 3 seems to be the trouble maker for you. "...intentionally or knowingly causes physical contact with another when the person knows or should reasonably believe that the other will regard the contact as offensive or provocative" So what this is saying is that Vic would have to know that touching her hair lightly would offend her, to which he would not know as she does not say anything (for years) and continues to have a touchy/playful relationship with him. To which any reasonable person with at least one brain cell could see that is not offensive at all but given your earlier statement questioning that as opinion, could I take that you being one of those people who cry assault for any given reason?

 

[theworstkindofeurofag]

I came back to this forum to several new pages, immediately thought something big had happened or the court's decision had dropped, but instead it turns out all that happened was that a twittersped joined this forum to argue. Oh well.

I do have to say that I think it's commendable that someone from twitter joined us to talk with us instead of just talking about us, even if the ensuing argument was repetitive and stupid.

 

[PorkeyDuck]

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Remember kids, never look at BT's twitter unless you want to see cringe or have a high tolerance for it.

Also this shouldn't be a shock to anyone but I have come more to the conclusion that BT isn't really a moron, he's what people on the right refer to as a Midwit. I've said in the past that he's the poster child for the Dunning-Krueger effect but I think Midwit is a more accurate description for him.

"The real reason muthafuckas think politics are being "forced" on them is because they're too worried that their favorite media might expose just how trash their beliefs are."

"In truth, the attack on the space colony Laplace was actually plotted by George Marcenas, Ricardo's son and a member of a right-wing political faction within the Federation's coming government. Opposed to his father's more liberal and controversial stands, George had him assassinated, so that he could both take over the Federation government and use those killed in the terrorist attack as martyrs for his cause. Soon after, both objectives would be completely met, with George eventually succeeding his father as Prime minister, but what he made the Federation would end up endowing it with the "rich man's club" image that would prevail for generations to come."

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I think the "muthafuckas" care about their shiny giant fancy robots than "being exposed"

I don't think I've seen the "alt right" anime fans complained about this from Inu Yashiki.