Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Male Idiot]

True, but while both nogs and slavs are vicious as fuck, slavs are much more intelligent.

 

[Sped Xing]

True, but while both nogs and slavs are vicious as fuck, slavs are much more intelligent.

And they cook better.

 

[Hüftpriester]

You clearly are a hoot at parties.

I decided to play it safe and go with a nice bottle of pinot noir. Do your people drink wine? Or just sink vodka?

 

[George Lucas]

I think you miss my point, which is that the idea that everyone selflessly "came together" to defeat naziism is hollywood fantasy.

Of course, my original point was that twenty years isn't all that long, and that certainly there was no sort of mass self-sacrifice after 9/11. Indeed, that played out extremely similar to covid, where early "we're all in this together" feel-good twaddle and joyful applause of massive government intervention gave way to empathy fatigue and buyer's remorse.

But it's more fun to piss off people who uncritically swallow that WW2 was clear-cut good vs evil.

I think you missed the original point, which is that Americans are not motivated to go to a war like they were after 9/11, and you started injecting all this baggage about propaganda and what not. Nobody here uncritically swallows WWII romance. We’re pissed off because you’re clogging the thread with dumb posts.

 

[Sped Xing]

We’re pissed off

I've noticed you get that way a lot.

 

[Vince McMahon]

I decided to play it safe and go with a nice bottle of pinot noir. Do your people drink wine? Or just sink vodka?

Do your people eat their veggies? Or do they pig themselves on wurst and chocolate?

 

[Male Idiot]

I decided to play it safe and go with a nice bottle of pinot noir. Do your people drink wine? Or just sink vodka?

Ukrainians? Paint thinner and krokodil.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

One guy on American Thinker wondered if the Russian Invasion of Ukraine is an improvement? From watching this from his angle, he have some interesting points.

NATO? If Russia Conquered Europe, It Would an Improvement

As we ponder how our day’s Dr. Strangeloves want Ukraine to join NATO so that we’ll be obligated to go to war against Russia if it attacks its western, kleptocratic neighbor, we should consider a certain point. It isn’t just, as som...

www.americanthinker.com

December 15, 2021

NATO? If Russia Conquered Europe, It Would an Improvement​

By Selwyn Duke

As we ponder how our day’s Dr. Strangeloves want Ukraine to join NATO so that we’ll be obligated to go to war against Russia if it attacks its western, kleptocratic neighbor, we should consider a certain point. It isn’t just, as some have pointed out, that the Cold War relic NATO has outlived its usefulness. It’s not just that Russia, no longer being the Soviet Union, has no intention of invading Western Europe and couldn’t pull off a Julius-Caesar-in-Gaul even if it did. It’s also this:
Troubling over such a thing is a bit like fearing that Bill Gates’s bucks will invade your bank account.

NATO was created in 1949 to defend Europe against the Soviet Union, an expansionist, evil empire that devoted time and treasure to spreading the malevolent ideology of Marxism worldwide. Fear of this was entirely rational as such a conquest would have meant a descent into hell on Earth, so we rightly drew a bombs-and-bullets line in the sand. But at issue today isn’t your grandfather’s Bear. It’s more like your great-grandfather’s — and relatively bearable.
Consider: Ex-German Chancellor Angela Merkel opened the floodgates of Muslim migration, illustrating why late Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi once said that jihadist terrorists were unnecessary because 50 million-plus Muslims in Europe would turn it into an Islamic continent in two generations.

Many European leaders sing Merkel’s song, too. Swedish politician Mona Sahlin unabashedly stated in 2001 that “the Swedes must be integrated into the new Sweden; the old Sweden is never coming back.” French president Emmanuel Macron actually advocated the idea of creating “Eurafrica,” a scheme requiring the flooding of his continent with 150 to 200 million Africans during the next few decades.
Not to be outdone in vindicating the Gallic surrender stereotype, French “intellectual” Christian de Moliner suggested in 2017 that France should essentially be divided — via the creation of a semi-autonomous, quasi-Sharia state within the country — to avoid civil war with its Muslims. Note that such sentiments place these politicians to the left of the Dalai Lama, who told the BBC in 2019 that “Europe is for Europeans” and that most migrants should ultimately be returned to their native lands.

And quite Lama-like, Russia boasts a healthy nationalism. Its president, Vladimir Putin, has touted his civilization’s glories and has said, regarding immigration, “Russia doesn't need minorities; minorities need Russia.” And while Western Europe is awash in multicult mush, Moscow issued a 2014 document stating that Russia rejects “such principles as multiculturalism and tolerance” and “projects imposing alien values on society.”

Speaking of alien values, so-called same-sex “marriage” is rubber-stamped in Western Europe, the continent’s social activists often encourage confused children to embrace a Made-up-Sexual Status (MUSS or “transgender”) “identity,” and its authorities may punish critics of such via “hate speech” laws.
In Russia, though, it’s not just that homosexual unions of any kind are verboten and that true (i.e., man-woman) marriage was enshrined in the nation’s constitution last year. Moscow also has outlawed pro-homosexual propaganda, and Putin has sung the nuclear family’s praises. More recently, he has inveighed against the elimination of the terms “mother,” “father” and “family”; has criticized the denial of “the distinction between sexes” and of the categories “of men and women”; and has said that advocating youth MUSS activity borders on “a crime against humanity.”
(See now why our Left wants to “cancel” Russia?)

But that’s not all. In October, Putin criticized Westerners for “the aggressive deletion of whole pages of their own history” and their “reverse discrimination against the majority in the interests of minorities.” He also correctly proclaimed, in 2019, that liberalism had become “obsolete.”
But now, obsolescence is the West’s essence. Back when Russia was the USSR and our Left loved it, we called the Soviets godless and they called us decadent; now we’re godless and decadent.

We hear incessant talk about the “separation of church and state” even though it’s not in our Constitution (but it is in the 1936 Soviet Constitution), and radical applications of it are foisted upon us. In many European nations, more than 50 percent of young people identify as having “no religion” (70 percent in Britain). What’s more, some European authorities are even labeling the Bible “hate speech.” This is the handiwork, too, do note, of devout adherents of moral relativism — the West’s characteristic philosophical affliction — of the “Whatever works for you” crew.

But it doesn’t work in Russia. In a 2013 State of the Nation speech, Putin lamented that many “Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values. ...Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.”
None of this is to say I trust Putin or take for granted that his pronouncements aren’t just self-interest-driven posturing. I don’t trust him any more than I do Biden or Pelosi or Kamala Harris, though I do trust him to be one thing they’re not: smart.

Putin ought to know, too, that the political correctness he condemns will destroy a nation. After all and as Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov pointed out, the KGB Putin used to work for encouraged such ideas in the West for this very reason.
But whatever the reason, G.K. Chesterton’s 1926 prediction that the “madness of tomorrow” would lie “not in Moscow, but much more in Manhattan” has come to pass. So explain to me not only why NATO is still necessary but also, very slowly, so I can understand it, this:
If Vladimir Putin or some near-future Russian leader completely lost his marbles, had a Napoleon moment, and decided to invade Western Europe, why should America’s sons shed blood over it (let alone over Ukraine)?

If under such a fanciful scenario the modern-day tsar were successful and imposed Russia’s social norms on the vanquished, what would be the loss to humanity? “Pride” events with men marching mostly naked? Puberty blockers for 12-year-olds? The arresting of pastors for preaching the Bible? The ignoring of the Muslim rape-gang abuse of 1,400 UK girls for 16 years for fear of being called “racist”? It’s a tempting cause, really, but I think I’ll pass.
Should our Dr. Strangelove chicken hawks succeed in getting Ukraine into NATO, we can only hope that an ex-high-ranking Polish officer spoke the truth when he told me years ago that the acronym stands for “No Action; Talk Only.” For if the West ever fights Russia, it’s possible that maybe, just perhaps, the Bear will now have God on its side.

 

[RainwaterDrop]

Nobody in Russia even knows there's forces being massed at the border and nobody thinks a war with Ukraine is a good idea.

Honestly I don't know much about the internal russian perspective, but Putin having control of the media isn't unexpected. His goal is to have Ukraine as a buffer state between Russia and the West, and he wants it to happen without bloodshed, in fact. Putin isn't a retard, he knows that a shooting war with NATO is suicidal, he just wants some concessions!

One guy on American Thinker wondered if the Russian Invasion of Ukraine is an improvement? From watching this from his angle, he have some interesting points.

Sometimes people get too drunk on certain aspects and ignore others. Putin talks a lot about respecting christian values, but I would love to see the part of the Bible where Jesus told us to kill opposing journalists and poison dissidents with polonium. You can admire Putin for doing a good job at punching above his weight, considering Russia isn't even close to having the U.S.'s economical and military deployment capacities with their troops, but Putin is still a dictator and, in the end, a lot of this talk is just to maintain his image of a tough leader who is saving Russia!

Russia might not bow down to woke politics, but they have some real problems with corruption and their economy hasn't been doing well. This talk of invading Ukraine is a way of keeping himself in power, a shooting war with the U.S. isn't something Russia can win, even with nukes as everyone loses the second the first one is fired and the others follow!

 

[The golden neckbeard]

I think you missed the original point, which is that Americans are not motivated to go to a war like they were after 9/11, and you started injecting all this baggage about propaganda and what not. Nobody here uncritically swallows WWII romance. We’re pissed off because you’re clogging the thread with dumb posts.

Thank you

I didnt need all the other bullshit i just wanted to point out a war with Russia would be prolonged and the american population in current year will not make the sacrifices needed to fight it. Meaning we could not win it. Throw china and iran into the mix especially and its over.

The army cant even find enough recruits among 18-24 years olds right now in 0eacetime. Anti depressants, felonies, drug addictions are all the new flat feet and a majority of americans have these problems.

Lets not even get into manufacturing capabilities which we dont have. We make 4 ships a year...china is making 80 and russia 10.

You can argue quality but ill argue thats irrelevant. As long as the missile finds its target the welds or types of steel dont matter.

Our power is a myth and our national unity a facade especially in this woke era.

 

[KiwiSeperatist]

russia will just scare the west and wont do shit

 

[Sped Xing]

Thank you

I didnt need all the other bullshit i just wanted to point out a war with Russia would be prolonged and the american population in current year will not make the sacrifices needed to fight it. Meaning we could not win it. Throw china and iran into the mix especially and its over.

The army cant even find enough recruits among 18-24 years olds right now in 0eacetime. Anti depressants, felonies, drug addictions are all the new flat feet and a majority of americans have these problems.

Lets not even get into manufacturing capabilities which we dont have. We make 4 ships a year...china is making 80 and russia 10.

You can argue quality but ill argue thats irrelevant. As long as the missile finds its target the welds or types of steel dont matter.

Our power is a myth and our national unity a facade especially in this woke era.

B-back in the 90s we were a nation of mighty warriors!

American power hasn't been purely a matter of wealth since at least the Mexican War! We wuz Spartines!

Not that any of it matters, since the USA and Russia are the two countries least likely ever to bother with mass armies fighting one another. "We got the bombs" doesn't apply against the Russkies.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Lets not even get into manufacturing capabilities which we dont have. We make 4 ships a year...china is making 80 and russia 10.

USA didn't need to make at this moment a huge navy investment. Their can overrrun China and Russia navies with they had already. Many other countries navies (Iran, srsly? What they can do to the West, make one or two suicidal attacks? Lockerbie II? Yea, sure) can be bitten up even by the USCG.

Also their are little chances to have a war between Russia and Ukraine. Rusia isn't strong enough to launch full scale offensive against Ukraine nor to effectively control conqured territories. This is not year 2014. And Russia didn't perform like their want to make invasion - no one will inform about incoming war in way that Putin does it.

In this moment is much more risk into reasuming of Belarus actions against Lithuania and Poland, but not in form of full-scaled war. But Minsk regime is seeking for opportunity to:

- consolidate nation - and a enemy is bestoption for that,
- ensure that EU will construct a nice, solid wall on border to reduce options for Belarusians to escape their beloved country.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

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Also their are little chances to have a war between Russia and Ukraine. Rusia isn't strong enough to launch full scale offensive against Ukraine nor to effectively control conqured territories. This is not year 2014. And Russia didn't perform like their want to make invasion - no one will inform about incoming war in way that Putin does it.

I feel you are wrong about Russia. They are on the cutting edge of suicide drones and missile technology and havent showed their hand yet.

Russian makers of Kalashnikov rifle create ‘suicide’ drone

'Whoever buys one will have the ability to steer a bomb with a high degree of accuracy unparalleled except by some of the US military's smartest bombs'

www.independent.co.uk

This type of warfare is the new blitzkrieg and makes massed formations a thing of the past for the side that doesnt have them.

Russia would mop the floor with Ukraine IMO

B-back in the 90s we were a nation of mighty warriors!

American power hasn't been purely a matter of wealth since at least the Mexican War! We wuz Spartines!

Go back to /pol faggot

America is weak as fuck compared to then. No rational person believes the opposite unless they are completely out of touch with the culture of people under 30...you showed your hand Boomer. This entire forum is practically dedicated to the type of people that you think would want to fight in some muddy hole

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

I feel you are wrong about Russia. They are on the cutting edge of suicide drones and missile technology and havent showed their hand yet.

Russian makers of Kalashnikov rifle create ‘suicide’ drone

'Whoever buys one will have the ability to steer a bomb with a high degree of accuracy unparalleled except by some of the US military's smartest bombs'

www.independent.co.uk

This type of warfare is the new blitzkrieg and makes massed formations a thing of the past for the side that doesnt have them.

Russia would mop the floor with Ukraine IMO

Russia from time to time presents something powerfull (at least in theory), but their always had one problem: lack of numbers. How many they can have drones? In only few, they make no difference because Ukraine is also using some of it.

And yes, I agree that drones warfare will be a hot thing in future. Maybye in 10-20 years it will be dominating all battlefields, but still not today (if we talk about serious countries. Also one thing: even if a technological superior country will smash another, after campaign their must control conqured territory. Russia isn't able in this moment to do that.

Russia wasn't even able to defeat Ukraine in Donbas war few years ago. Their take part of Donbas (but Ukraine was able to reconquer some of them), annexed Crimea (Ukraine in real wasn't interested to stay on Crimea, they didn't even try) and nothing else and no one will think their aims was to take good for nothing Crimea. But in places where Kiev was determined to fight, Russians mostly lose battle and wasn't able to achieve their targets. They didn't take Maryupol (crucial for connecting with Crimea), they didn't be able to save early separatists in Charkov and Odessa. Their allies in Novorossiya barely hold their capitals. That isn't even close to moping floor.

 

[Male Idiot]

They should flood Ukraine with cheap krokodil. Give it away for free.

 

[Titos]

They should flood Ukraine with cheap krokodil. Give it away for free.

Just introduce Moonshine to both the Russians and the Ukrainians and neither will ever recover, total civilizational collapse within a week. Hell if you want to speed it up introduce Moonshine Cherries since those bastards drink that horrid swill known as Kompot which might as well just be sugar water.

 

[Male Idiot]

Just introduce Moonshine to both the Russians and the Ukrainians and neither will ever recover, total civilizational collapse within a week. Hell if you want to speed it up introduce Moonshine Cherries since those bastards drink that horrid swill known as Kompot which might as well just be sugar water.

Moonshine isn't any good, it is an improvement. Unless it is the methil kind...

 

[HumanHive]

Kudos to @Terrifik for these images.

 

[IKOL]

I feel you are wrong about Russia. They are on the cutting edge of suicide drones and missile technology and havent showed their hand yet.

Putin Akbar, kek.

Just introduce Moonshine to both the Russians and the Ukrainians and neither will ever recover,

Jokes on you, about a half of Motherland (if not more) do know about moonshine and drink it in greater numbers than vodka.
Because it's hard as fuck to get a good vodka these days.