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[Karakhalkin-Gol]

Also the fact this mod only relegates William Luther Pierce to being a mere senator is utterly criminal.

WLP is (or at least was supposed to be) a 1980 candidate for TNO2.

Spoiler: From the Y-NPP Doc

• William Luther Pierce Ideas​

• Can first be elected in 1980
• Pierce is going to be the most destructive and generally cursed president possible for the United States in TNO. He not only represents a fail state in that you let American society reach this point, but his short bit of gameplay is going to be focused on being as destructive and chaotic as possible.
• His motives are the most openly evil of all the Y-NPP presidents, which is saying something.
• Pierce will have no foreign policy decisions or trees. He will leave the OFN immediately and focus solely on his domestic agenda.
• The fail state represented by Pierce is the raw hatred and violence that is prevalent amongst the far right.

​

Domestic Policy​

• Pierce will open his presidency with a wildly incendiary inauguration speech where he says lots of very gamer things, an early and open view of what this presidency will be like.
• One of Pierce’s first actions is to rush through a lackey to be Attorney General, this will be followed up by a speech where Pierce decries the Supremacy Clause as a tool used by the Jews (nevermind that it was written by James Madison) to cripple American society and force unjust laws across the Union and that his government will no longer prosecute states that attempt to breach it. This starts a trend of Pierce doing things that make no real sense when looked at from a policy perspective because his goal is simply to ruin the system.
• Pierce will try to end any and all federal gun laws that exist.
• Pierce will use COINTELPRO to begin running guns to groups like the Black Panthers while shifting focus away from white groups entirely. The goal being to radicalize both sides as much as possible and try to cause violent incidents. The Waco a month thing won’t be a failure for Pierce, it will be a goal.
• Pierce will try to discharge all non-white members of the military. While this will almost immediately get hung up in court and fail because of due process, Pierce’s conduct will be extremely inflammatory and racially charged and again is simply designed to cause problems.
• Pierce will try to deregulate the chain of command in the military to as local a level as possible. He will encourage states to focus on their own militias and national guards and in a very controversial move he will return to the early days of US policy on the topic and decentralize command of nuclear weapons to the officers in charge of them.
• Just before the end of the game Pierce will be shot dead and his VP will take over. Violent incidents will be becoming more and more common at this point and the government not only will be doing really nothing to stop it, they’ll be reveling in it.
• This will be the most depressing ending for the United States. It will be left ambiguous as to what will happen next in America’s history but things have taken a massive turn for the worst and healing the scars of a man who purposely tried to destroy the Union and turn its people against each other will be America's greatest challenge and nobody knows if it will work.

Cabinet​

• VP: David Lane, terrorist, member of the white supremacist group The Order, came up with the 14 words slogan
• SecDef: Cecil R. Price, a Klansmen who helped kill civil rights workers
• Foreign: Glenn Miller, white supremacist combat vet, tried to kill Jews at a temple
• Economics: Gary Thomas Rowe, FBI informant in the Klan, did tons of crimes including murder

 

[Grave Ghost]

WLP is (or at least was supposed to be) a 1980 candidate for TNO2.

That path that they had planned was utter trash though.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Similar fear as mine. As for Norway, there goes the half asked Scandinavia rework they barely focused on, and judging from the politics of monarchists I am betting the only way to restore Haakon is a right wing quasi fascist group aligned with Germany, ignoring Norway having democratic traditions and the reason Haakon became king in the first place was they elected him king once they detached from Sweden. Also they killed off Quisling off hand before the game starts according to one comment, so they are trying to justify the monarchists taking the PatAut slot instead of AuthDem or something.

When did they exactly kill off Quisling in the backstory? If it was anytime before 1930, Quisling would had been far better known for being an old friend of Fridjof Nansen and helping him with his philanthropic work in Russia and Armenia then for any of his rightwing views. In fact, one of the main reasons why he became a sincere anti-leftist was because of his experience in the soviet union in the mid 1920s. So in the world where the soviets lost the Russian civil war would Vidkun Quisling even be the same person as he was in our world?

 

[Neo-Holstien]

Despite the name calling and media outrage, Pierce was a famed physicist. He was also no drug using neo-nazi. I mean what is the likely hood that any of the devs ever listen to or read his work?

 

[RA-5C Vigilante]

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Despite the name calling and media outrage, Pierce was a famed physicist. He was also no drug using neo-nazi. I mean what is the likely hood that any of the devs ever listen to or read his work?

I would be more surprised if a TNO dev knew how to read, let alone anything they politically disagree with

 

[Karakhalkin-Gol]

So in the world where the soviets lost the Russian civil war would Vidkun Quisling even be the same person as he was in our world?

A possible way to keep Quisling and his anti-leftism is to have him travel to the UOB and COF, mirroring his time in the USSR, but nope.

Just get rid of him.

 

[Merry]

Despite the name calling and media outrage, Pierce was a famed physicist. He was also no drug using neo-nazi. I mean what is the likely hood that any of the devs ever listen to or read his work?

They're sperging out because he wrote the Turner Diaries, which are a work of fiction and exist to depict a worst case scenario so he could boost recruitment numbers for his organization. More of those retard troon tism imagination blinders in action.

Here's the TNO writing process:
1. Skim Wikipedia page
2. Copy parts that back your weird niche leftist or liberal sub-ideology up
3. Ignore parts that don't back you up
4. Put some retarded Klan murderer/random irrelevant WW2 brigade commander or concentration camp guard in charge of a country
5. Moralize really hard when you write them blowing up 50 orphanages or something with overzealous use of the word "fuck" in all events
6. People think you're really deep and your politics are correct because you depicted a fictional version of a real person doing something bad in a fictional world

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

WLP is (or at least was supposed to be) a 1980 candidate for TNO2.

Spoiler: From the Y-NPP Doc

• William Luther Pierce Ideas​

• Can first be elected in 1980
• Pierce is going to be the most destructive and generally cursed president possible for the United States in TNO. He not only represents a fail state in that you let American society reach this point, but his short bit of gameplay is going to be focused on being as destructive and chaotic as possible.
• His motives are the most openly evil of all the Y-NPP presidents, which is saying something.
• Pierce will have no foreign policy decisions or trees. He will leave the OFN immediately and focus solely on his domestic agenda.
• The fail state represented by Pierce is the raw hatred and violence that is prevalent amongst the far right.

​

Domestic Policy​

• Pierce will open his presidency with a wildly incendiary inauguration speech where he says lots of very gamer things, an early and open view of what this presidency will be like.
• One of Pierce’s first actions is to rush through a lackey to be Attorney General, this will be followed up by a speech where Pierce decries the Supremacy Clause as a tool used by the Jews (nevermind that it was written by James Madison) to cripple American society and force unjust laws across the Union and that his government will no longer prosecute states that attempt to breach it. This starts a trend of Pierce doing things that make no real sense when looked at from a policy perspective because his goal is simply to ruin the system.
• Pierce will try to end any and all federal gun laws that exist.
• Pierce will use COINTELPRO to begin running guns to groups like the Black Panthers while shifting focus away from white groups entirely. The goal being to radicalize both sides as much as possible and try to cause violent incidents. The Waco a month thing won’t be a failure for Pierce, it will be a goal.
• Pierce will try to discharge all non-white members of the military. While this will almost immediately get hung up in court and fail because of due process, Pierce’s conduct will be extremely inflammatory and racially charged and again is simply designed to cause problems.
• Pierce will try to deregulate the chain of command in the military to as local a level as possible. He will encourage states to focus on their own militias and national guards and in a very controversial move he will return to the early days of US policy on the topic and decentralize command of nuclear weapons to the officers in charge of them.
• Just before the end of the game Pierce will be shot dead and his VP will take over. Violent incidents will be becoming more and more common at this point and the government not only will be doing really nothing to stop it, they’ll be reveling in it.
• This will be the most depressing ending for the United States. It will be left ambiguous as to what will happen next in America’s history but things have taken a massive turn for the worst and healing the scars of a man who purposely tried to destroy the Union and turn its people against each other will be America's greatest challenge and nobody knows if it will work.

Cabinet​

• VP: David Lane, terrorist, member of the white supremacist group The Order, came up with the 14 words slogan
• SecDef: Cecil R. Price, a Klansmen who helped kill civil rights workers
• Foreign: Glenn Miller, white supremacist combat vet, tried to kill Jews at a temple
• Economics: Gary Thomas Rowe, FBI informant in the Klan, did tons of crimes including murder

Is TNO2 still going to be made? Or has the TNO given up on that?

 

[Karakhalkin-Gol]

Is TNO2 still going to be made? Or has the TNO given up on that?

If it it took the devs 9+ months for ONE update, and heavens know long for shit cut last minute to be re-added, TNO2 is never coming out. Well, not in HOI4/5’s lifespan at least.

 

[Grave Ghost]

If it it took the devs 9+ months for ONE update, and heavens know long for shit cut last minute to be re-added, TNO2 is never coming out. Well, not in HOI4/5’s lifespan at least.

According to them they claim that after adding TT it will be relatively simple to add the other paths they want. Whether that's true or not remains to be seen. What I'm more concerned about however is how they keep redoing nearly EVERYTHING. You'd think that they'd place more priority on adding the extremist paths for the USA and Britian(you know the fun ones that require you to play for 8 hours to even get to) or getting started on the 10 years of content EVERY Russian unifier will need but no, we gotta add a focus tree for irrelevant countries like Mexico.

 

[Corpun]

That's retarded, keeping Quisling around would still work because OTL he became far right after seeing how bad the Soviet Union was, logically speaking if Britain AND France became communist like in KR I can only imagine him becoming even more militant.

Also the fact this mod only relegates William Luther Pierce to being a mere senator is utterly criminal.

When did they exactly kill off Quisling in the backstory? If it was anytime before 1930, Quisling would had been far better known for being an old friend of Fridjof Nansen and helping him with his philanthropic work in Russia and Armenia then for any of his rightwing views. In fact, one of the main reasons why he became a sincere anti-leftist was because of his experience in the soviet union in the mid 1920s. So in the world where the soviets lost the Russian civil war would Vidkun Quisling even be the same person as he was in our world?

Part of their fetish of killing of natzees and fashists because it's the only way they can achieve their power fantasies. they'll probably justify it with some shit like is politics wouldn't work for KR even though fucking Savinkov is a ultranationalist who genocides people in their new update, when in real life he was a fairly vague political figure and terrorist in Tsarist Russia.

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Despite the name calling and media outrage, Pierce was a famed physicist. He was also no drug using neo-nazi. I mean what is the likely hood that any of the devs ever listen to or read his work?

TNO devs don't like effort. They just skim wikipedia and forum posts and pick out what they want while making people they don't like out of the boogeymen they conjured up. They were going to give the Gus Hall path no good option but now there is going to be a secret blessed Communist USA path because they gotta wank off communism.

None of the TNO devs go through the effort of actual research, reading the people they use literatue, or their ideas, they just look at the boogeyman.

If it it took the devs 9+ months for ONE update, and heavens know long for shit cut last minute to be re-added, TNO2 is never coming out. Well, not in HOI4/5’s lifespan at least.

The turbovirgin TNO taking a year for an update vs the virgin Kaiserreich taking months for one that isn't even fully completed vs the Chad Kaiserredux adding new content every few months.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Anyone have thoughts on Kaiserreich's Russia rework? You want a good basis for it some dev on the Discord apparently said the impetus for it was not wanting Russia to be a political simulator anymore. Meanwhile they will jerk off to every leftist country.

Given Kaiserreich’s ‘TNOification’ (as one kiwi aptly puts it), I hold little faith in Kaiserreich giving Savinkov and other ‘right-wing’ paths a fair portrayal.

Oh they are reworking Russia now?
I admit I didnt play "Vanilla" Krautreich.
Since China update.

Personally I think Kerensky and Kolchak should switch positions. It makes more sence for Kolchak to be compromise White Army and German candidate .
And Kerensky leading Japanese backed state in far East.
That would serve as exile for political enemies of Kolchak regime.
There you would have various Democrats , socialists and probably even Bolshevik remnants.
Also Considering A-H still exists you there would probably still be Czechoslovak Legion .
Still stuck in Russian far East.

The turbovirgin TNO taking a year for an update vs the virgin Kaiserreich taking months for one that isn't even fully completed vs the Chad Kaiserredux adding new content every few months.

Guess what? it's being put on hold just like India. Kaiserredux BTFOs Kaiserreich yet again!
The dev for the Russia rework has retired and moved to Australia for work for an Indy company according to this person on the kaiserreich reddit.

 

[Corpun]

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If I ever decide to start a HOI4 mod I am going to make sure the people involved are actually dedicated to focusing on something until it is out in a reasonable amount of time.. Too many mods become either toozer mods or bogged down because no one does the work for their autistic game developer LARP.

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

A Kaiserreich Germany rework has been overdue for like 4 years. Afaik three different rework projects have been started and shelved.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

A Kaiserreich Germany rework has been overdue for like 4 years. Afaik three different rework projects have been started and shelved.

And a rework for Japan is overdue as well.

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

And a rework for Japan is overdue as well.

The mod is called “KAISERREICH” yet all we see is muh mutt civil war

They had to lock a thread in the subreddit because people are complaining about the lack of attention on non-american civil war stuff

 

[Caligura]

The mod is called “KAISERREICH” yet all we see is muh mutt civil war

They had to lock a thread in the subreddit because people are complaining about the lack of attention on non-american civil war stuff

Muttenreich: Legacy of Tyrone's 56% seed.

 

[Randall Fragg]

The mod is called “KAISERREICH” yet all we see is muh mutt civil war

They had to lock a thread in the subreddit because people are complaining about the lack of attention on non-american civil war stuff

Seethe harder eurofag. No body gives a shit about your inbred nobility and failed states.

 

[Jah Hates Kaffirs]

Bro what are you guys talking about China has like 10x the Civil War content of muttland and it's actually fun

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

Seethe harder eurofag. No body gives a shit about your inbred nobility and failed states.

The best American path isn’t even in the base mod

Bro what are you guys talking about China has like 10x the Civil War content of muttland and it's actually fun

Yeah the web of alliances and different combinations of unifiers is actually pretty interesting unlike the same 4 factions for the last 10 years. Unfortunately China never unifies in any of my games.