Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

[ÁchtunaRoll]

Now call me crazy but that could be avoided if you, you know, didn’t prey on people. No one is pulling accusations out of thin air, Lily.

Your channel and your servers are dead because of you.

 

[ShiftyBoi]

Big long post from the gossip blog about Lily's big long post.
I love everything about these two posts except how annoying it was to screenshot them. Cause Moral's tumblr layout sucks. >: (

Why The Fuck You Lying, Lily? : Lily just went into some long rant ab…

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Why The Fuck You Lying, Lily? : Part 2 Moving on to the next part of …

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*Chef's kiss*
Eat shit Lily.

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

Rules for thee, not for me. Once again.

 

[ShiftyBoi]

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Further replies, look a wild Ginger appeared!

Notice the diversity of reasons the show worked, it did different things for different people which is why it worked for so many viewers. I can't wait for Lily to say "Yeah well, my reason is the correct one."

Also I'd like to note the second to last one: "you cared about the characters first and the stakes second"
Characters create the stakes. If you didn't know anything about the cast or the Water Tribe or the Earth Kingdom, you wouldn't care about them. You feel tense when Azula is on screen because she is established as skilled and ruthless, and she is a bitter obstacle for both Aang and Zuko. The viewer knows the stakes of Azula appearing.

Sperging over, anyway I can only wonder how Lily will twist these responses. She seems adverse to ever acknowledging Avatar because it seems like the antithesis of half of her talking points. It was a serialized show with a redemption arc and established lore that worked and sold like hot cakes.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

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Notice the diversity of reasons the show worked, it did different things for different people which is why it worked for so many viewers. I can't wait for Lily to say "Yeah well, my reason is the correct one."

Also I'd like to note the second to last one: "you cared about the characters first and the stakes second"
Characters create the stakes. If you didn't know anything about the cast or the Water Tribe or the Earth Kingdom, you wouldn't care about them. You feel tense when Azula is on screen because she is established as skilled and ruthless, and she is a bitter obstacle for both Aang and Zuko. The viewer knows the stakes of Azula appearing.

Sperging over, anyway I can only wonder how Lily will twist these responses. She seems adverse to ever acknowledging Avatar because it seems like the antithesis of half of her talking points. It was a serialized show with a redemption arc and established lore that worked and sold like hot cakes.

Yeah, i'm not gonna be surprised if she mistreats Azula, just like with many points in those TLOK videos.
ATLA is well-made, unlike the other shit Lily criticized so far, so; i'm fucking sure the video gonna be a flop and hated literally by both sides. And that's a thing i'm really gonna love.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Yeah, i'm not gonna be surprised if she mistreats Azula, just like with many points in those TLOK videos.
ATLA is well-made, unlike the other shit Lily criticized so far, so; i'm fucking sure the video gonna be a flop and hated literally by both sides. And that's a thing i'm really gonna love.

Considering she’s been going more for outrage clicks these days, that might be exactly why she’s making it.

 

[SimpleSimpson]

Lovely to see that atleast her incestuous lesbian fantasies are consistent in more than just a sibling type of way-
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OUR GIRL ALSO LIKES COUSIN INCEST!

the english dub (and the french one incase lily is french canadian or something, just covering my basis here) censored out the queer romance between the two sailor moon characters (fuck knows their names, ive not seen the anime just know of it and the censoring around it).


Funny how lily said 'you HAVE to use the word lesbian in kids media otherwise its vague and kids wont pick up on it!' as an argument yet they were clearly called cousins in the dub.

Either lily CAN pick up on subtext-because they did not edit the animation part of the anime well enough for the romantic tention to not atleast be a little bit implied in the dub- and just want kids shows to screeee that every character who is gay to shout their identity like a fucking pokemon because she thinks kids are that stupid

or lily's just being dumb one... again... as per usual because the american dub of SM was the one that also aired in canada and she's lying.

pick your poison, lads, whatever yall fancy the most.

To be fair, it's also possible she watched it subtitled on some video-site. There used to be a ton of fansubs of the show on Dailymotion that I watched as a kid.

 

[anliteralidiot]

To be fair, it's also possible she watched it subtitled on some video-site. There used to be a ton of fansubs of the show on Dailymotion that I watched as a kid.

Lily hates subtitles. lol

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Sturgeon's law: 90% of everything is garbage
but wouldn't that be more of an incentive to analyze the "good" anime in your eyes?

nothing prevents Lily from making an "analysis" of an anime besides laziness or spite of constant indications

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the summary is:
* she is too lazy to look for the "good"
* animes don't appeal to people who hate animes and ahca everything that doesn't involve lesbian tyrants, trash
* she hates "weebs" (people who watch anime, read manga and know the industry) saying what is quality work to her (someone who thinks that Sailor moon, dragon ball and pokemon are the only original anime that exists and all others are copies)
* she doesn't like reading subtitles

I wonder if Lily will give up on American cartoons since the "good" ones are mixed with piles of garbage too, but she doesn't need to read so it's okay

Don't forget that she also despises having to use subtitles to a point where she refuses to watch anything that doesn't have an English dub. Most English dubs are fine, the ones that Funimation and Netflix do can be pretty good sometimes. But for all the good anime dubs there are 5 censored shitty ones. Basically anything that aired on CN or Adult Swim in the early 2000s had one of those censored dubs. Sailor Moon, Pokemon, One Piece, or basically anything dubbed over in Canada by 4kids (which is most/if not all of the anime Lily has actually watched) is horribly dubbed to a point where they just straight up remove scenes, character traits, or relationships to "fit a western audience" despite the fact that it takes so much away from the original shows.

I've mentioned it before but there are so many animes that I can think off straight off the top of my head that would ding every single box on her "lgbt rep" card. Same goes for games. A lot of the complaints she has about media boil down to the fact that she's so stuck in trying to force western children's media in a certain way that she wont even look at any Asian media that would fit her niche almost perfectly because she refuses to watch subtitles.

I don't have anything against you if you genuinely can't watch a show with subtitles but also if you're going to do what Lily does for a living its not something that you can just ignore and say "it doesn't exist at all" when it does but you just wont acknowledge it.

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

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Her take in the cycle of abuse. Media that tells children to forgive and stick by your family are being abusive. Gleefully so.

She also finished her Molly first impression script.

Shipping children.

 

[work of art]

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Now call me crazy but that could be avoided if you, you know, didn’t prey on people. No one is pulling accusations out of thin air, Lily.

Your channel and your servers are dead because of you.
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just to make something clear, did any of us (or anyone, really) harass ginger, mikhaila, or stitch? i specifically remember mikhaila complaining we DONT harass her and stitch complaining about being harassed no matter what she does bcz shes black

 

[Stuck Pooh]

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Her take in the cycle of abuse. Media that tells children to forgive and stick by your family are being abusive. Gleefully so.

She also finished her Molly first impression script.
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Shipping children.
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Maybe the ''forgive your abuser''messages in kids media would be more of an issue if more adults would base their worldviews around childrens cartoons like Lily does.
Although I agree there does exist this mentality in adults, it isn't really the result of fucking childrens cartoons...but the cause of this is a whole other can of worms I don't mean to get into right now.

But if you wan't to go by the logic that children media perpetuates that belief, and instils it into your subconscious at a young age (despite you know, children lacking awarenes of themselves and people around them, and acting on impulse rather than understanding, whereby this would make the messages a good way to teach kids that other people have just as complex feeling as they themselves have), as Lily says, then I'd argue that the problems with simplistic messages like ''forgive your abusers'' come from the episodic format of series that was prevalent up until recently. The format that Lily praises to high heaven.
Because episodic series, work fundamentally against the idea of change. At th end of an episode, everything must return to status quo, no matter what life changing event/lesson might have happened. Characters can never learn their lessons and grow.
So that the episodes could be aired in any order and still be understood.

This is why showrunners, especially the veteran ones, are so excited about serialized animation. They can actually evolve their characters! Try new, different things!
(I mean, she does understand that a show can be serialised, as in having a overarching plot and have self contained, rounded episodes too. She said as much when talking about Gravity Falls, so I don0t get it why she's so insistand that all serialized show are bad. But that's Lily for ya)

As for questionable lessons in kids media, I think it depends a lot on how the lesson is handled. Which is something that should be reviewed seperately.
Because,even tho I wholeheartedly support distancing yourself from toxic people, it isn't always possible.
You might get a job with an isufferable boss, fucked up roomemates (or just living with toxic family), or an appartment with shitty neighbors. This are not people you can distance yourself from as easily, and you have to find ways to deal with it.
There is a place and time for lessons like that, not that Lily can understand that, because she is so very against challenging herself that even kids lessons are to much for her.

Also, I'm starting to get curious about Lily's opinion on Ghost and Molly McGee, which is a nice change, because I've know she'd jump on the show the moment it came out (and seeing that Ginger was shipping those two character...i was soooo dreading that moment).
In the script excerpts she posted, she super focused on the friendship between Molly and Libby, although the show is all about Molly's friendship with the house ghost. i wonder if she's gonna adress that, or the ghost, at all. Because the show is mostly about him, he has the conflict going.

Spoiler: plot and conflict of the show

For the folk who haven't watched the show: the ghost, named Scratch (and voiced by the one and only Dana Snyder!), has to keep up a monthly fright report, as in people he keeps miserable (he was very successful at that beforeMolly moved into his house), which is in conflict with Molly wanting to make everyone happy. The more people Molly makes happy, the less people Scratch can make miserable, thus keeping his fright report low, and if his numbers are to low he runs the risk of being banned to the flow of failed phantoms- which is like hell for the undead.
Because of that, he tries to sabotage Molly's attempts of making people happy. But alas as kids shows go, he grows to like Molly and appreciates her friendship, as he has no other friends in the ghost world - and he kinda battles between helping Molly in her quest of sharing joy to make her happy, because he cares about her happines, and keeping his own fright report in check, so he doesn't go to ghost hell.
So, him helping Molly, is a sacrifice of his own.
He doesn't even tell her about the flow of failed phantoms, because he didn't want to stress her out about it, until she pushes him to share her secret with Libby. And yes, Molly gets stressed out bout it.

the show in a weird way, is about balance between happiness and unhappiness.

I also wonder, if Lily will actually adress why Molly's ovewrbearing personallity is a flaw, as the show explains. Like, how does it negatively affect her or the people around her, and how can this be prevented.

 

[Duine In Cudromach]

just to make something clear, did any of us (or anyone, really) harass ginger, mikhaila, or stitch? i specifically remember mikhaila complaining we DONT harass her and stitch complaining about being harassed no matter what she does bcz shes black

I'm pretty sure Stitch already had an audience and Lily's advocating for her did basically nothing. Nobody who 'harasses' Lily jumped over to 'harass' Stitch (and Stitch goes out picking fights so she can cry about how people mistreat her for being black so she was doing a good job on her own).

As for Mikaila, she keeps Anons turned off and if anybody were to make an account to send her messages she'd probably block them, and likely has. It's pretty cowardly when you're allegedly stepping forward and saying "If you got a problem with my wife, take it up with ME!", but it's also smart, especially since the only reason anybody would harass Mikaila would be to harass Lily by proxy. She's handling Lily's toxicity by creating an environment where it can't reach her, and honestly that's the best thing to do.

Which makes Lily saying 'go yell at Mikaila, she's responsible for ALL the shitty decisions' doubly awful. I won't speculate what it's like behind the screen, but the fact that Lily publicly says that Mikaila is the one people should yell at go harass her is... wow.

Also I'd like to note the second to last one: "you cared about the characters first and the stakes second"
Characters create the stakes. If you didn't know anything about the cast or the Water Tribe or the Earth Kingdom, you wouldn't care about them. You feel tense when Azula is on screen because she is established as skilled and ruthless, and she is a bitter obstacle for both Aang and Zuko. The viewer knows the stakes of Azula appearing.

I think what they're trying to say is that it's a character-driven show with primary, secondary, and tertiary characters you come to enjoy, rather than being a plot-driven show where they try to use constantly evolving stakes as a substitute for good moment-to-moment writing.

It's not really a given in any story that you'll care about the characters, therefore you'll care about the stakes. You do have to write characters people care about, and AtLA did a great job in making pretty much every character have a distinct personality even if they were only onscreen for a few minutes out of the entire show.

The whole line of inquiry is pretty funny because it does prove Lily's point about how another show can never 'do what Avatar did' entirely wrong. She seems to think that Avatar was some kind of bottled lightning and you'll never get another show that 'does what [Avatar] did', but what did Avatar do?

It told a character-focused journey story in a fantastical, well-built world populated by colorful characters that people could empathize with and used its core conflict to elevate the personal stakes.

Fundamentally nothing that Avatar did was actually unique. At its heart it's a hero's journey story. There's a relatively basic 'chosen one' coming-of-age narrative. It's a story that has been told all throughout human history and is still being told after Avatar.

What Avatar did was tell it well, and tell it well across pretty much every aspect. There was something for basically everybody to latch on to, a character for everybody to identify with, an aspect woven into its narrative that everybody could enjoy. Even when it faltered the other aspects of its storytelling kept it elevated. It was an adventure story, but it was a good adventure story, with a fun world that you could imagine yourself being in. The spiritual aspects elevated the narrative to abstract and cosmic levels but it stayed grounded because it was all still told through the struggles of characters you had come to know and love, and -- maybe most importantly -- it kept that focus to the end, where a lot of stories wind up getting so focused on their global stakes they lose sight of the importance to individual characters.

Another show absolutely could 'do what Avatar did' (and has). That's not a knock on Avatar. It's just that, if you get people that know what they're doing and can do it well... of course you can get another Avatar.

Lily's contention isn't that. She's said it before; people need to try to stop doing 'what Avatar did' because she wants more low-stakes episodic slice-of-life cartoons and if people keep shooting for the moon that means she isn't getting what she wants.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Anyone claiming forgiveness is abuse must really be a bitter unpleasant person.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Anyone claiming forgiveness is abuse must really be a bitter unpleasant person.

I'm not surprised. Only fucks who are cornered by commiting abuse can say that... like Lily.

 

[Ben Laden]

Lily strikes me as the kid who would always give a really empty apology to other people because they would get caught doing something shitty and be forced to apologize for something they're not sorry for at all. Hence it being considered an abuse tactic.

Why can we play arm chair psychologist and every single belief of hers can be explained by ODD? She just hates things that her parents made her do. I wouldn't be surprised if Lily hated vegetables because her parents desperately tried to get her to eat broccoli.

 

[anliteralidiot]

Lily strikes me as the kid who would always give a really empty apology to other people because they would get caught doing something shitty and be forced to apologize for something they're not sorry for at all. Hence it being considered an abuse tactic.

Why can we play arm chair psychologist and every single belief of hers can be explained by ODD? She just hates things that her parents made her do. I wouldn't be surprised if Lily hated vegetables because her parents desperately tried to get her to eat broccoli.

We all saw her depression stew a few weeks ago...

 

[starborn427614]

Fairly sure that most showrunners who create shows where forgiveness and redemption are key elements don't think redeeming dictators etc.. is realistic. Fiction allows you to play around with these idealistic concepts in a safe setting where no one actually gets hurt with anyone being capable of becoming a better person (even if the viewer doesn't really think they deserve it). Any critic worth their salt would argue the pacing, the execution of the concept, not whether children are in danger of being warped by bad guys becoming good.

 

[King_Boo_Official]

Fairly sure that most showrunners who create shows where forgiveness and redemption are key elements don't think redeeming dictators etc.. is realistic. Fiction allows you to play around with these idealistic concepts in a safe setting where no one actually gets hurt with anyone being capable of becoming a better person (even if the viewer doesn't really think they deserve it). Any critic worth their salt would argue the pacing, the execution of the concept, not whether children are in danger of being warped by bad guys becoming good.

Lots of people complain about characters being "made to forgive abusers", but the showrunners aren't, like, turning to the camera saying "this is how all situations like this should be handled". It's just that character's story. But you can still complain about the specifics regarding how the story was handled, just recognize that they're not trying to get you to keep your abuser in your life.

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

Most likely boring. But just in case and for posterity.

 

[work of art]

Fairly sure that most showrunners who create shows where forgiveness and redemption are key elements don't think redeeming dictators etc.. is realistic. Fiction allows you to play around with these idealistic concepts in a safe setting where no one actually gets hurt with anyone being capable of becoming a better person (even if the viewer doesn't really think they deserve it). Any critic worth their salt would argue the pacing, the execution of the concept, not whether children are in danger of being warped by bad guys becoming good.

gotta say i have to agree with lily here, i legit saw people on the internet trying to redeem bush junior