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@mindlessobserver mainly because the Numenoreans were asshats
 
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I'm glad there's talk of backlash. I got an email from the Society of Tolkien about their webinar that's happening tomorrow and seeing it warmed my heart.

We gathered a few months ago to celebrate the Good, the Beautiful, and the True within the works of JRR Tolkien. From the depths of caves beneath the Misty Mountains to the heights of Barad-dûr, we learned about riddles, geography, and how power corrupts.

On October 16th, we'll delve into Tolkien's storytelling and writing techniques, witness how he still shapes modern characters and heroes today, and tour Middle-earth with nothing more than the clothes on our backs and a sense of adventure.
Please join us and share his tales with all who will listen.
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It's nice to know that there's still people out there that want to keep the integrity of Tolkien's works alive and have an actual, pure adoration for the Middle Earth mythos. Not using it for clout or demanding it should cater to their needs of representation. Like, godspeed you wonderful people. I hope this webinar is another success.

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A rather good rendition of the song of Beren and Luthien. These guys do other songs of Tolkiens all rather well done imo
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Clamavi De Profundis' Song of Durin is one of my favourite renditions I ever heard. Actually, I highly recommend looking at all their LOTR covers. It makes for nice listening when you're going through the books.
 
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Could've just done a series about the war of Dwarves and Orcs, and called it a day. But dumbfucks gotta dumbfuck.
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Yeah. You can essentially just make that an interesting (non official) edition to the legendarium, instead of destroying tolkiens actual ideas. After all, wasn’t Tolkiens intention that multiple (fictional) editors piece together the history of middle earth or something? As long as it’s done respectfully and doesn’t rewrote Tolkiens ideas, it would actually be something Tolkien might’ve liked. After all, it’s impossible to create an entire world and history etc all on your own (although mr tolkien came pretty damn far). If I were an author like that I’d much prefer dedicated, real fans who know everything about everything device new material in the same line without contradiction (so an in offensive expansion) over punks straight up selling out amd contradicting everything middle earth was supposed to be to make a political statement (ancient britain essentially, not a mish mash of races. They don’t make historical movies of ancient japan with black/white actors etc. At least I hope.)
 
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Yeah. You can essentially just make that an interesting (non official) edition to the legendarium, instead of destroying tolkiens actual ideas. After all, wasn’t Tolkiens intention that multiple (fictional) editors piece together the history of middle earth or something? As long as it’s done respectfully and doesn’t rewrote Tolkiens ideas, it would actually be something Tolkien might’ve liked. After all, it’s impossible to create an entire world and history etc all on your own (although mr tolkien came pretty damn far). If I were an author like that I’d much prefer dedicated, real fans who know everything about everything device new material in the same line without contradiction (so an in offensive expansion) over punks straight up selling out amd contradicting everything middle earth was supposed to be to make a political statement (ancient britain essentially, not a mish mash of races. They don’t make historical movies of ancient japan with black/white actors etc. At least I hope.)
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I don't know if there is a Tolkein expert that knows the details, but I recall that his books are supposed to be translations of a translation of an Anglo-Saxon chronicler that had written down an oral (possibly written) history or our world (or just Britain), that was found in some library in Oxford that was left untouched because the Anglo-Saxon language was effectively dead until a professor revived it.


I have no faith or confidence in modern day morons being able to work with or expand an existing universe without stepping toes. Peter Jackson knew what shit would work and what shit didn't (Tom Bombadil) because he was actually trying to craft the lore into a consumable medium. Modern day writing refuses to let you escape reality because modern day directions and writers are usually pretentious dumb fucks who think they're smarter than they really are, and they probably think they're smarter than Tolkein as well. By the way half the horse riding Rohirrim in LOTR were actually women who were wearing fake beards so they could play men riding off into battle. That'd probably offend someone nowadays.
 
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WutangLee said:
I don't know if there is a Tolkein expert that knows the details, but I recall that his books are supposed to be translations of a translation of an Anglo-Saxon chronicler that had written down an oral (possibly written) history or our world (or just Britain), that was found in some library in Oxford that was left untouched because the Anglo-Saxon language was effectively dead until a professor revived it.


I have no faith or confidence in modern day morons being able to work with or expand an existing universe without stepping toes. Peter Jackson knew what shit would work and what shit didn't (Tom Bombadil) because he was actually trying to craft the lore into a consumable medium. Modern day writing refuses to let you escape reality because modern day directions and writers are usually pretentious dumb fucks who think they're smarter than they really are, and they probably think they're smarter than Tolkein as well. By the way half the horse riding Rohirrim in LOTR were actually women who were wearing fake beards so they could play men riding off into battle. That'd probably offend someone nowadays.
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Pretty much every "Tolkien Expert" that I have seen on TV and major YouTube channels have been shit. I put no stick into even the ones who are not pushing a woke agenda.
 
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Slap47 said:
Pretty much every "Tolkien Expert" that I have seen on TV and major YouTube channels have been shit. I put no stick into even the ones who are not pushing a woke agenda.
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In Deep Geek is pretty good and BTFOs GRRM on his critiques on how they are are basically completely unsupported by the text
 
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Slap47 said:
Pretty much every "Tolkien Expert" that I have seen on TV and major YouTube channels have been shit. I put no stick into even the ones who are not pushing a woke agenda.
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The only real "Tolkien Expert" out there I personally trust to be an expert and not an "expert" is Tom Shippey and he's like 80 now. But hold out hope that the next generation of Tolkienist is out there waiting to continue the line.
 
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I remember reading Fellowhsip of The Ring for English class my junior year of highschool. That Christmas, my parents got my all of the Lord of The Rings books and I've read through them about once a year ever since. Tolkien is probably my favorite author. At the very least, he's my favorite non-American author. The books are so rich in detail and wield their setting and scope with aplomb. It's all so captivating.
Something cool I found was this video that goes over the War of the Last Alliance and breaks it down like a real historical war in ancient times.
 
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“Those who cannot conceive Friendship as a substantive love but only as a disguise or elaboration of Eros betray the fact that they have never had a Friend. The rest of us know that though we can have erotic love and friendship for the same person yet in some ways nothing is less like a Friendship than a love-affair. Lovers are always talking to one another about their love; Friends hardly ever about their Friendship. Lovers are normally face to face, absorbed in each other; Friends, side by side, absorbed in some common interest. Above all, Eros (while it lasts) is necessarily between two only. But two, far from being the necessary number for Friendship, is not even the best. And the reason for this is important."-CS Lewis.

Also what's hilarious is that all these words make sense without Eros; Sam was iirc was genuinely scared of being the ring-bearer and if he could carry the burden that he saw utterly wreck his friend over the course of 2-3 months the "Come! Wake-up Mr. Frodo" is Sam merely reminding Frodo who just woke up from a paralysis poison that they are in the middle of an enemy fortress and have to leave like now. All in all these people are deranged coom addled vacuum brains and ought to have their bad dragon dildos taken away.
 
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