The “would the earth be better if Germany won WWII” debate thread - The hypothetical on if we’d all be better off speaking German

You dont see a SU style collapse in a system where the core population realy likes to work...
A core population's "natural" will to work is irrelevant when government homosexual faggotry disincentivises growth and competition - and thus improvement and innovation - through ineffective if not outright idiotic policies and regulations. If the Nazis are retarded enough to consider free market capitalism as Jewish...whatever, they can never hope to compete with the United States. The only two realistic options I see if the Third Reich still clings to its ideology are that it either collapses like the Soviet Union or becomes an impoverished isolated shithole like North Korea.
No globohomo bank cartel pushing rainbow shit and its pedophilia.
Much less diversity, rape, nigmigrants.
Better animal protection laws.

Less burgers tho, so its not all fun and joy.

But imagine a world where Jamal and Ahmed isn't free to enrich your daughter.



Add to it that Nasa would have lost half of its people.

Plus the jewry did help put pressure on the commies.

I am not saying we would have rocket cars.... but we would be closer.
To keep a long story reasonably short: Just like everything today is "racist/misogynistic/transphobic" and "problematic", everything would be "Jewish" and "problematic" instead. If the Reich survives that is.
 
I don't think the tech of the nazis sucked, friend. Not at all.

Even soviet tech wasn't shit for a large part, if they considered it important enough.

I also don't think China is still banging together sticks and stones.

Equoting technology with capitalism is a giga US cope. Even in feudalism it kept on going, and there was the whole Victorian era.

And remember, even USA has regulated its market to some degree. Anti-tryst laws, consumer protection laws, etc.

Big tech is so shit because it managed to jew through the system and fuck over the regulations, if those did even exist.

Monopolies aren't your friend, nazi or commie you happen to be. They are only your friend if you are (((elite))) . Plutocracies aren't utopias.
 
If the Nazis are retarded enough to consider free market capitalism as Jewish...whatever, they can never hope to compete with the United States. The only two realistic options I see if the Third Reich still clings to its ideology are that it either collapses like the Soviet Union or becomes an impoverished isolated shithole like North Korea.
It would look alot like china. just with less wastefull spending, you dont need to build some ghostcity in some backwater area if its populated by subhumans and you have all of europe and russia to get build up with enough infrastructure for exploitation.
 
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Equoting technology with capitalism is a giga US cope. Even in feudalism it kept on going, and there was the whole Victorian era.
The biggest difference between a market economy and a command-and-control economy is that the former has distributed, iterative, bottom-up innovations happening all the time, and the latter only has whatever a planner told people to work on. This is why the Soviet manufacturing economy largely remained mired in late 1940s production techniques. Going from pounding out stamped steel to mass-producing precision-machined devices out of high-purity alloys requires a million little innovations from everything in your tooling (and how you manufacture your tools!) to your supply chain management.

If the Third Reich had pulled it out...say if somebody had shot Hitler in the back of the head before Stalingrad, and the Japanese decided not to attack Pearl Harbor, we most likely would have seen a Western Europe technologically and economically mired in 1955. They would have been formidable for a while, but the failures of the system would have manifested themselves no later than the 1970s.
 
It would probably depend on how they actually 'won' wouldn't it. If they won by flattening everyone else and bombing them to the stone age, the world would look radically different to if they won via the USA not intervening, the British Empire not intervening; and the world agreeing that commies were the bigger problem and dabbing on the USSR.
 
It would probably depend on how they actually 'won' wouldn't it. If they won by flattening everyone else and bombing them to the stone age, the world would look radically different to if they won via the USA not intervening, the British Empire not intervening; and the world agreeing that commies were the bigger problem and dabbing on the USSR.
In 1932 the french and polish decided that commies were the bigger problem and refused a joint invasion of germany to get rid of their expansionist goverment, we know what happened next.
Moreover, germany broke so many treaties no single idiot with more than a single braincell would have trusted them (even Mussolini didn't want to join the war and made ridicolous demands to stall, search molybdenum list, and only joined after the swift victory in france was clear)
To make the rest of the world not want to dab on nazi germany you would need to change so many thing it would no longer be nazi germany
 
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Hitler was a crazy moron with delusions of being an epochal, quasireligious figure sent to remake reality. He is almost singlehandedly responsible for the Red Army taking Berlin---without him assuming command, the Wehrmacht was entirely capable of managing tactical retreats, keeping the Soviets bogged down, and negotiating an armistice of some kind. The only way WW2 ends in a way that isn't really bad for Germany is Hitler gets assassinated, chokes on a carrot, or overdoses on amphetamines.
 
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Hitler was a crazy moron with delusions of being an epochal, quasireligious figure sent to remake reality. He is almost singlehandedly responsible for the Red Army taking Berlin---without him assuming command, the Wehrmacht was entirely capable of managing tactical retreats, keeping the Soviets bogged down, and negotiating an armistice of some kind. The only way WW2 ends in a way that isn't really bad for Germany is Hitler gets assassinated, chokes on a carrot, or overdoses on amphetamines.
Not really, many times hitler took command and was wrong, but also many times he was right, germany just had no way to win.
The soviet meatgrinder reduced their manpower to near zero at the end of the war, even if they kept going and someway conquered all of continental europe the industries were already behind the Urals, and the soviets would still have more manpower while at that point germany's would be nonexistent
 
Not really, many times hitler took command and was wrong, but also many times he was right

Hitler didn't assume tactical command until Operation Barbarossa, and very close to 100% of his important tactical decisions were bad, the most famously disastrous being his belief that that the Iron Will of the Fuehrer would transcend space and cause the 6th Army to hold at Stalingrad. He continued to make mind-blowingly retarded decisions during the Soviet push westward, the dumbest being his ban on tactical retreats, which only got entire divisions destroyed without slowing the Russians down at all.

This is the kind of stupid shit Hitler did that accomplished nothing but get people killed:

germany just had no way to win.

I didn't say Germany would "win." A negotiated armistice isn't "winning," unless you think the Germans "won" WW1. They are, however, a hell of a lot better than Russians raping their way across your homeland, your chief government officers all being executed, and enduring foreign occupation for two generations.
 
The allies losing ww2 or atleast the war ending in a state where germany is a superpower has to ask the questions first of what the US does during the war, and by extension japan. If hypothetically FDR was regular American isolationist and refused to provide aid to great britain before being attacked first then the brits would have a tougher time during the war, Japan is the biggest factor here. You could argue that if FDR wasnt clearly highly interventionalist against the axis the japanese may not have attacked but even that is highly debateable, the empire of japan was incredibly bloodthirsty and would have inevitably conflicted with American interests in the pacific. In my opinion even if the US stayed fully isolationalist then japan still would have probably attacked.
Assuming japan doesnt fuck everything up for the axis and the US stays out of the war and doesnt provide aid to the british or the soviet union then the british may be forced to sit down at the negotiation table with germany, churchill wasnt going to give up easy but without any help and no outside economic assistance the brits eventually would have started to buckle. Combine that with north africa falling into axis hands and things start looking pretty good for germany. A full scale invasion of the island however would be nearly impossible, the amount of ships and resources needed would be astronomically high, resources the axis couldn't spare. Not having to direct the obscene amount of resources to the kriegsmarine to halt supplies getting to britain and the rest of the western front not needing a massive garrison, the germans would have a better time on the eastern front, the soviets eventually would have gotten their shit together but its possible stalingrad and by extension the soviet oil fields would have fallen into german hands, impairing the soviet economy. The counter offensive wouldn't be as strong and its possible battle lines could have solidified instead of the rush we got in history. Whether an armistice is reached or not is in question. Total control of all of russia is far fetched due to how effective scorched earth was and the already massively overextended german supply lines
No matter what happens the axis surviving as strong entities means massive civilian casualties. The slavs in eastern europe would suffer immensely at the hands of the germans, potentially millions of not tens of millions of deaths. The chinese would also suffer greatly under the japanese, im unsure if the death toll would exceed that of mao's autism but it would certainly be close. Italy likely starts losing relevance until being relegated to the status of germany's bitch, assuming that doesnt happen during the war like it did in our timeline.
Germany likely becomes a super power or something close to it, britain is absolutely weaker and its empire shattered, the soviet union becomes an even bigger shithole assuming it doesnt collapse internally, the japanese form a massive empire spanning much of south east asia, potentially a step below a super power. Communism likely becomes a dead ideology, the soviet union getting merked and no maoist china means it gets relegated to obscure circles and the best it could hope for is becoming popular in a minor backwater nation, facsism and its derivities become the new hot thing.
The US is a big question, its a big assumption the US stays fully isolantionalist with all this happening around them, no matter what internal changes similar to how the US changed during the cold war are likely to happen. I cant even predict what happens to latin america Most of the predictions I made past the first paragraph may aswell be fan fiction with how big the changes are that I established in the first few sentences.
 
If only because so many shitty people we have alive now wouldn't be born, maybe. They couldn't be any worse at least. I'd be satisfied just erasing everything on a gamble.
 
Or we can pretend one of their wonderwaffles actually worked. How was not the point here. It is pretty hard to win against Russia, some mqy even say near impossible to do in real life.

But I really don't think it was capitalism that helped the US. I think it was just a wider range of global allies, better climate, and having a fully isolated base.

Simply put, the settlers found themselves a very good geographic location for this era of naval carriers by the favour of supreme fortune.

Same as Hungary was an awesome place for knightly stuff, but in modern warfare it is all negative modifiers.

But then again, the americans on the farms are still in Bush mindset so they think the chinks are still using 17th century muskets.
 
There would be a cold war between Germany and Japan and America would be more isolationist.

Also Hitler could have won, but he was a fucking sperg when it came to diplomacy.

Napolen, Hitler, Democrats, everybody wants to do the impossible and finally beat that bear final boss.

So far, all failed, and I don't think it will change any time soon.
 
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If the Nazis won they'd have immense domestic problems dealing with their Russian gains while immediately being forced into a cold war against an incredibly bitter US, UK, and a Soviet Siberian rumpstate that would probably attract enough Russian refugees and American funding to wind up a lot stronger than anyone anticipated. Germany's geographic location means they wouldn't be able to project worldwide influence into proxy wars like the US and USSR did, and their wartime allies who could would be unreliable at best, outright hostile at worst. They could maybe forge some better allies in central and south asia, or maybe not.

Either way I think Germany would probably retain a pretty powerful position on the world stage but there would definitely be some level of reversal of gains from the AA line, and I can't see their ideology lasting more than a few decades with the amount of internal and external pressure against it.
 
A core population's "natural" will to work is irrelevant when government homosexual faggotry disincentivises growth and competition - and thus improvement and innovation - through ineffective if not outright idiotic policies and regulations. If the Nazis are retarded enough to consider free market capitalism as Jewish...whatever, they can never hope to compete with the United States. The only two realistic options I see if the Third Reich still clings to its ideology are that it either collapses like the Soviet Union or becomes an impoverished isolated shithole like North Korea.

To keep a long story reasonably short: Just like everything today is "racist/misogynistic/transphobic" and "problematic", everything would be "Jewish" and "problematic" instead. If the Reich survives that is.
It’s literally socialism but instead of muh workers or today’s muh trannies it was muh germhan heritage. They applied the socialist model to a national identity where the Germans are oppressed but the Jew Cis Hetero Males are the greatest oppressors ever.

They would’ve ironically eradicated the history and past of Europe to suit the party’s philosophical views.
 
It’s literally socialism but instead of muh workers or today’s muh trannies it was muh germhan heritage. They applied the socialist model to a national identity where the Germans are oppressed but the Jew Cis Hetero Males are the greatest oppressors ever.

They would’ve ironically eradicated the history and past of Europe to suit the party’s philosophical views.

The main difference lies in muh trannies and lgbt pedos.

I don't hate lefties for trying to prevent Igor from mining coal at 10.

I hate them for pushing their pedoshit and endless gibsmuh.

Nazis were objectively better, and so were soviets compared to today's left. They had some idealistic points, but they were at least not anti-work.

Before you say "Troontifa have not made gulags", let me tell you they would love to, but aren't as manly as the SS or KGB and are afraid of Cleatus and his boomstick.

McCarthy did nothing wrong except fail.
 
The main difference lies in muh trannies and lgbt pedos.

I don't hate lefties for trying to prevent Igor from mining coal at 10.

I hate them for pushing their pedoshit and endless gibsmuh.

Nazis were objectively better, and so were soviets compared to today's left. They had some idealistic points, but they were at least not anti-work.

Before you say "Troontifa have not made gulags", let me tell you they would love to, but aren't as manly as the SS or KGB and are afraid of Cleatus and his boomstick.

McCarthy did nothing wrong except fail.
That’s true they’re basically the SS and KGB if they were watered down with soy. I agree at least the soviets and nazis encouraged people to work and reproduce for the motherland/fatherland.
 
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Agree only if we define his objective as "at least trying to do something that somehow could be recognized as good"

Touch grass retard

Butthurt, Schlomo? Or are you one of their soy goy-lems?

Don't live in a pod, don't eat the bugs, don't diddle the kids, don't care about the climate. This here is pure antisemitism, distilled.
 
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