Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Murderous Anas]

That's her arm now. The flesh wrap itself hasn't gone necrotic, and she sees that as a great result.

What we're looking at here is the graft donor site covered with Integra which is supposed to aid skin regrowth. Looks fucked up now but here's another one (done by resident butchers Crane and Santucci, source) that's been covered with it that looks a lot less, uhh, horrifying, than other ones treated through other grafting methods if all goes as planned... Though I do feel like this one is the absolute BEST outcome they could've possibly gotten, and I'm sure it usually turns out a lot worse cosmetically.

Edit: this is also only showing the outer forearm, so I have no doubt that they’ve been very selective about their presentation because the inner wrist probably looks absolutely mangled

 

[Gilkore]

Forgive me my ignorance, but why is KF called KF far-right? More so, why do they call trans-surgery related thread far-right?

It's almost enough to make you question what people mean the other times you hear things labelled "alt-right" and "far-right."
Welcome to the far right. A scary guy in khakis with a fashy cut will be delivering your arm-band and handgun in the next 48 hours.

 

[behindyourightnow]

Edit-
just a thought-
though we know that TT Ex is detrans herself, she's also a speech therapist isnt she?
I wonder if the combination of experiencing it herself, an possibly having a lot of trans kids/people for vocal training come trough the door might have tipped her into her current action?
She seems to have kind of popped out of nowhere. I'm very interested in her, she's knowledgable af on a lot of things. I just wonder how long before she gets some real life career flak, if she hasnt already, for her videos as she's starting to get booted from websites and a big boost in awareness of her channel at the moment.

She is detrans but she said she never went on T because she was into lifting weights at the time and had seen the damage anabolic steroids had on people. I assume back in the day going on T was not quite as quick and inevitable as it is now as well.

The FtM speech thing is interesting and I am glad she is focusing on it, because literally no one else is talking about it; most FtMs have very distinctive voices but we all are supposed to pretend that is not happening. The fact that so many FtMs (and MtFs who get tracheal shaves) have their singing voices irreversibly ruined (and are apparently not warned about this) is something that bothers me a lot too. Singing is a huge emotional outlet for some people and when you sing your voice (and the physical structure that produces it) is your instrument. It's like breaking a piano player's hands.

 

[Falling Star]

I found this picture of a cow that has been featured here before, kingmikey20.

Spoiler: It looks like a gore effect from a zombie movie, NGL

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That's her arm now. The flesh wrap itself hasn't gone necrotic, and she sees that as a great result.

r/phallo - [NSFW] Stage 2 abdominal phalloplasty w/Freet, with nerve hook up from arm

73 votes and 9 comments so far on Reddit

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Spoiler: NSFW - Full resolution pic

This seems absolutely ridiculous to me. To refresh everyone's memory, Kingmikey20 got abdominal phalloplasty from Dr. Freet. This is her:

Spoiler: NSFW - Pictures of Kingmikey20 from previous updates

https://kiwifarms.ru/threads/srs-and-grs-surgeons-and-associated-horrors.76786/page-113#post-8844193
https://kiwifarms.ru/threads/srs-an...sociated-horrors.76786/page-223#post-10546869

I think I was charitable in the past and just assumed she heals poorly & scars easily, but now I'm thinking Dr. Daniel Freet is just a hack.
Probably the biggest selling point of abdominal phalloplasty is that you DON'T have to horribly flay your arm or leg for it... so why did Freet flay her arm anyway?

Here's the explanation:

As part of Freet's version of abdominal phalloplasty (in stage 2 surgery), he harvests nerves from an arm to do the nerve hookup of the phallodick for (supposedly) better tactile sensation. He apparently promises that the arm scar won't be very large, but as we can see above...

This also jogged my memory about something posted when we looked into Dr. Cetrulo's "delayed abdominal" phalloplasty:

Here's Freet reportedly saying that forearm nerves AREN'T actually better, basically just easier/faster to harvest than abdominal nerves.

Now I'm not a medical person, so I can't say for sure what's going on. But I kinda suspect that Freet doesn't know what he's doing. It just seems really strange that other surgeons manage to do abdo phallos without flaying people's arms, and I seriously question how much surgery time Freet's method shaves off and whether it's actually worth it.
Looking at Kingmikey20's pictures, does anyone doubt that she would have been better off just having an RFF phalloplasty instead? (is what I'm trying to get at)

 

[Crepidodera fulvicornis]

> I definitely preferred to have the least amount of scarring

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

What we're looking at here is the graft donor site covered with Integra which is supposed to aid skin regrowth. Looks fucked up now but here's another one (done by resident butchers Crane and Santucci, source) that's been covered with it that looks a lot less, uhh, horrifying, than other ones treated through other grafting methods if all goes as planned... Though I do feel like this one is the absolute BEST outcome they could've possibly gotten, and I'm sure it usually turns out a lot worse cosmetically.
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Edit: this is also only showing the outer forearm, so I have no doubt that they’ve been very selective about their presentation because the inner wrist probably looks absolutely mangled

Imagine going through hours and hundreds of dollars of tattooing only to think "Yeah I'm gonna get a chunk of this chopped off to become a fake penis that looks horrific, doesn't make me happy, and is probably going to rot off in the next 5 years, that sounds like a good idea."
All these women have the future planning of a fucking peanut.

 

[cuddle striker]

It's almost enough to make you question what people mean the other times you hear things labelled "alt-right" and "far-right."
Welcome to the far right. A scary guy in khakis with a fashy cut will be delivering your arm-band and handgun in the next 48 hours.

no, we've got our far right wing farmers here. there's plenty of right wing autism on display, just like we've got the lovely @Hollywood Hulk Hogan to represent to center left, and our share of tankies and far left spergs. it's inclusive and diverse.

it doesn't discount or undermine the credibility of all the archives and documentation at all.

Spoiler: NSFW - Full resolution pic

View attachment 2824072

This seems absolutely ridiculous to me. To refresh everyone's memory, Kingmikey20 got abdominal phalloplasty from Dr. Freet. This is her:

Spoiler: NSFW - Pictures of Kingmikey20 from previous updates

View attachment 2824078

View attachment 2824080

https://kiwifarms.ru/threads/srs-and-grs-surgeons-and-associated-horrors.76786/page-113#post-8844193
https://kiwifarms.ru/threads/srs-an...sociated-horrors.76786/page-223#post-10546869

I think I was charitable in the past and just assumed she heals poorly & scars easily, but now I'm thinking Dr. Daniel Freet is just a hack.
Probably the biggest selling point of abdominal phalloplasty is that you DON'T have to horribly flay your arm or leg for it... so why did Freet flay her arm anyway?

Here's the explanation:
View attachment 2824102
As part of Freet's version of abdominal phalloplasty (in stage 2 surgery), he harvests nerves from an arm to do the nerve hookup of the phallodick for (supposedly) better tactile sensation. He apparently promises that the arm scar won't be very large, but as we can see above...

This also jogged my memory about something posted when we looked into Dr. Cetrulo's "delayed abdominal" phalloplasty:
View attachment 2824148
Here's Freet reportedly saying that forearm nerves AREN'T actually better, basically just easier/faster to harvest than abdominal nerves.

Now I'm not a medical person, so I can't say for sure what's going on. But I kinda suspect that Freet doesn't know what he's doing. It just seems really strange that other surgeons manage to do abdo phallos without flaying people's arms, and I seriously question how much surgery time Freet's method shaves off and whether it's actually worth it.
Looking at Kingmikey20's pictures, does anyone doubt that she would have been better off just having an RFF phalloplasty instead? (is what I'm trying to get at)

abdo pedicle is meant to replace and reduce the need to take ANY grafts from elsewhere on the body. This is absolutely that doctor causing extra work and additional pointless surgery to cash a check.

the abdo looks all right for healing, if they stick with pedicle from that area they seem to do a lot better generally speaking. the arm nerves were a pointless addition, it's not going to add any sensation, it's just another paycheck for that butcher.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

Spoiler: NSFW - Full resolution pic

View attachment 2824072

This seems absolutely ridiculous to me. To refresh everyone's memory, Kingmikey20 got abdominal phalloplasty from Dr. Freet. This is her:

Spoiler: NSFW - Pictures of Kingmikey20 from previous updates

View attachment 2824078

View attachment 2824080

https://kiwifarms.ru/threads/srs-and-grs-surgeons-and-associated-horrors.76786/page-113#post-8844193
https://kiwifarms.ru/threads/srs-an...sociated-horrors.76786/page-223#post-10546869

I think I was charitable in the past and just assumed she heals poorly & scars easily, but now I'm thinking Dr. Daniel Freet is just a hack.
Probably the biggest selling point of abdominal phalloplasty is that you DON'T have to horribly flay your arm or leg for it... so why did Freet flay her arm anyway?

Here's the explanation:
View attachment 2824102
As part of Freet's version of abdominal phalloplasty (in stage 2 surgery), he harvests nerves from an arm to do the nerve hookup of the phallodick for (supposedly) better tactile sensation. He apparently promises that the arm scar won't be very large, but as we can see above...

This also jogged my memory about something posted when we looked into Dr. Cetrulo's "delayed abdominal" phalloplasty:
View attachment 2824148
Here's Freet reportedly saying that forearm nerves AREN'T actually better, basically just easier/faster to harvest than abdominal nerves.

Now I'm not a medical person, so I can't say for sure what's going on. But I kinda suspect that Freet doesn't know what he's doing. It just seems really strange that other surgeons manage to do abdo phallos without flaying people's arms, and I seriously question how much surgery time Freet's method shaves off and whether it's actually worth it.
Looking at Kingmikey20's pictures, does anyone doubt that she would have been better off just having an RFF phalloplasty instead? (is what I'm trying to get at)

What's the point of "hooking up nerve endings" when 99% say they can't feel anything but abnormally cold anyway?

 

[cuddle striker]

What's the point of "hooking up nerve endings" when 99% say they can't feel anything but abnormally cold anyway?

no point. the nerves in the arm are actually less sensitive than those in the groin and abdomen. is your arm ticklish? no. it's a substandard choice for nerve "harvesting".

those abdo pedicle surgeries are the safest thing ftm are going to get, that gives them an actual pseudopenis. it will feel cold, it will, best case, be as sensitive as the area it was moved from. if they keep their clitoris below that, not buried inside it, they may even still have good sexual function. it's a sincerely time-tested, well researched option for them.

if it goes beyond the pedicle placement and gets into adding anything from other areas of the body, it's a cash grab and risky, untested bullshit.

if you are reading this thread as an ftm from the outside, please for your own sake, don't let them rip up your arms. look for abdo and pedicle surgeries. they do take longer but the healing on them is a standardized thing, your aftercare will be well understood and the results will be safer. not safe, but safer than this other shit.

chasing the impossible gets you dead or nullo. chase the attainable and find surgeons that are honest, even if the promised results are not your dream ending.

you don't need to die because you want a dick.

edit: I will grant that medicine has a patriarchal bent, that it's prioritized men's health over women's. this is why this specific technique is safer. it's been used since WWI to replace amputated or destroyed penises on men. it has been studied and researched to make sure men get to have a dick even after catastrophic damage. you can rely on "cis male privilege" to have assured that this specific surgery is standardized.

 

[behindyourightnow]

Spoiler: NSFW - Full resolution pic

View attachment 2824072

This seems absolutely ridiculous to me. To refresh everyone's memory, Kingmikey20 got abdominal phalloplasty from Dr. Freet. This is her:

Spoiler: NSFW - Pictures of Kingmikey20 from previous updates

View attachment 2824078

View attachment 2824080

https://kiwifarms.ru/threads/srs-and-grs-surgeons-and-associated-horrors.76786/page-113#post-8844193
https://kiwifarms.ru/threads/srs-an...sociated-horrors.76786/page-223#post-10546869

I think I was charitable in the past and just assumed she heals poorly & scars easily, but now I'm thinking Dr. Daniel Freet is just a hack.
Probably the biggest selling point of abdominal phalloplasty is that you DON'T have to horribly flay your arm or leg for it... so why did Freet flay her arm anyway?

Here's the explanation:
View attachment 2824102
As part of Freet's version of abdominal phalloplasty (in stage 2 surgery), he harvests nerves from an arm to do the nerve hookup of the phallodick for (supposedly) better tactile sensation. He apparently promises that the arm scar won't be very large, but as we can see above...

This also jogged my memory about something posted when we looked into Dr. Cetrulo's "delayed abdominal" phalloplasty:
View attachment 2824148
Here's Freet reportedly saying that forearm nerves AREN'T actually better, basically just easier/faster to harvest than abdominal nerves.

Now I'm not a medical person, so I can't say for sure what's going on. But I kinda suspect that Freet doesn't know what he's doing. It just seems really strange that other surgeons manage to do abdo phallos without flaying people's arms, and I seriously question how much surgery time Freet's method shaves off and whether it's actually worth it.
Looking at Kingmikey20's pictures, does anyone doubt that she would have been better off just having an RFF phalloplasty instead? (is what I'm trying to get at)

It's not that they are better it's that he knows where they are

Edit: I did a bit of a deep dive and after a lot of internet research, managed to find a picture of this woman's surgeon:

What we're looking at here is the graft donor site covered with Integra which is supposed to aid skin regrowth. Looks fucked up now but here's another one (done by resident butchers Crane and Santucci, source) that's been covered with it that looks a lot less, uhh, horrifying, than other ones treated through other grafting methods if all goes as planned... Though I do feel like this one is the absolute BEST outcome they could've possibly gotten, and I'm sure it usually turns out a lot worse cosmetically.
View attachment 2823978
Edit: this is also only showing the outer forearm, so I have no doubt that they’ve been very selective about their presentation because the inner wrist probably looks absolutely mangled

Maybe that is just a freakishly good result, but everything else in this thread makes me wonder if the other results we have seen are so terrible in comparison just because the surgeons cannot be bothered with any non-surgery work to make wounds heal better. Have any FtMs here ever talked about getting negative pressure wound therapy like the person in the picture apparently did? Is it just something FtMs don't mention much, or is it something that GRS surgeons skip because it doesn't make them much money?

 

[cuddle striker]

It's not that they are better it's that he knows where they are


Maybe that is just a freakishly good result, but everything else in this thread makes me wonder if the other results we have seen are so terrible in comparison just because the surgeons cannot be bothered with any non-surgery work to make wounds heal better. Have any FtMs here ever talked about getting negative pressure wound therapy like the person in the picture apparently did? Is it just something FtMs don't mention much, or is it something that GRS surgeons skip because it doesn't make them much money?

the surgeons wouldn't be the ones doing that therapy or getting paid for it; lack of follow up with patients is a hallmark of bad surgeons. they won't bother.

the people we've seen with good healing on graft sites got that treatment at wound care clinics, not through the original surgeon

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Have No Empathy, Empathy is how we as a society got into this mess

Correct. Empathy and Tolerance are NOT virtues. They are merely Trojan Horses for evildoers to gain entry into polite society.

 

[Gilkore]

no, we've got our far right wing farmers here. there's plenty of right wing autism on display, just like we've got the lovely @Hollywood Hulk Hogan to represent to center left, and our share of tankies and far left spergs. it's inclusive and diverse.

As a far right (I guess? 25 years ago I'd be considered moderate lol?) farmer myself, I'm aware of the diversity of viewpoints here.

Incoming moai

Spoiler: politics are fake and gay

What I'm mocking isn't the lovely commenter, but the idea that tolerance of such viewpoints means a whole thread or entire site is branded "far right." I wanted to take the opportunity to remind readers that perhaps the next time they hear an entire group, company, website, whatever labelled "far right" (or "terf," or whatever the boogeyman is that day) to perhaps think twice. Maybe it is, such groups do exist. But the term is so abused, that instead of imagining the worst that has been conjured up by the person insisting you never ever associate yourself with such places, consider that it might actually be the kind of place you'd like to hang out in, finding yourself wondering, "this? This is far right?"
The answer could be "lol no, of course it isn't, it's very diverse." Or sometimes the answer could be "yes, and that's not always the totally evil subhuman unthinkable thing you've been told it was, and maybe you agree with us more than you realized."

 

[cuddle striker]

As a far right (I guess? 25 years ago I'd be considered moderate lol?) farmer myself, I'm aware of the diversity of viewpoints here.

Incoming moai

Spoiler: politics are fake and gay

What I'm mocking isn't the lovely commenter, but the idea that tolerance of such viewpoints means a whole thread or entire site is branded "far right." I wanted to take the opportunity to remind readers that perhaps the next time they hear an entire group, company, website, whatever labelled "far right" (or "terf," or whatever the boogeyman is that day) to perhaps think twice. Maybe it is, such groups do exist. But the term is so abused, that instead of imagining the worst that has been conjured up by the person insisting you never ever associate yourself with such places, consider that it might actually be the kind of place you'd like to hang out in, finding yourself wondering, "this? This is far right?"
The answer could be "lol no, of course it isn't, it's very diverse." Or sometimes the answer could be "yes, and that's not always the totally evil subhuman unthinkable thing you've been told it was, and maybe you agree with us more than you realized."

oh yeah. like I said, the sensitivity level and melodrama is high. they can't sift through the people that hate them and listen to the people that are tolerant and trying to be helpful.
I'm left of center. still a farmer.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Most people on KF stick to threads that are personally relevant to them. It’s why Animal Control’s thread about how to find new content suggests ‘a fur you know’...because the board is full of furries. Likewise there has been a lot of powerleveling in this thread about being an ex tranny. I would venture that the percentage of regular posters in this thread who are themselves LGB and would consider themselves left leaning is really high. It’s just they’re also sick of troons.

 

[cuddle striker]

Most people on KF stick to threads that are personally relevant to them. It’s why Animal Control’s thread about how to find new content suggests ‘a fur you know’...because the board is full of furries. Likewise there has been a lot of powerleveling in this thread about being an ex tranny. I would venture that the percentage of regular posters in this thread who are themselves LGB and would consider themselves left leaning is really high. It’s just they’re also sick of troons.

yeah to TMI I'm G with a hard R. I'm not even necessarily sick of troons I'm just sick of the medical profession acting like scum about it.

In reality troon stuff doesn't have a big effect on my life at all, I don't give a shit and will be polite about pronouns. people can be what they want.

it's the involvement of medical field in this way that really disturbs me. I also have issues with male-bodied people in women's sports but that's not relevant to the rest. co-ed teams and leagues would weed them out.

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

Forgive me my ignorance, but why is KF called KF far-right? More so, why do they call trans-surgery related thread far-right? Open hole in abdomen and dying flesh are what they are regardless of your coordinates on political compass?

These are people who have turned their minds and bodies into a canvas for an ideology that is increasingly political with every year. It's probably hard for them to grasp basic human emotion or common sense outside of any political context. It is normal to be disgusted and concerned at the state of these surgeries, there is nothing political about it. Only troons think that and make it so.

 

[Peaches Demure]

Merry Christmas everyone! I come bearing gifts.

Here it is... the fabled Poop Vagina!

8 days post-op, and the faux-gina is leaking this nasty brown gunk:

Spoiler: Pictures of menstrual pads covered in shit

Comments:

Even his fellow Reddit troons are saying "dis ain't normal":

r/Transgender_Surgeries - [NSFW] Post-vaginoplasty, photographoc journal of my discharge (gross)

61 votes and 111 comments so far on Reddit

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[Old Fart]

Merry Christmas everyone! I come bearing gifts.

Here it is... the fabled Poop Vagina!

[...]
Even his fellow Reddit troons are saying "dis ain't normal":

They're doing it wrong. Let met try to correct them:

Don't worry, it's quite normal for pubescent girls to defecate from their vagina. It just means you're a woman now! Just remember your personal hygiene; don't reuse your pads more than 4-5 times.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Merry Christmas everyone! I come bearing gifts.

All I want for Christmas is a poo front queef...

Hopefully, that tranny's Christmas gift to the world will be his own removal from it.