A Native American Christmas Blessing

[MediocreMilt]

where his imagination of the world is restricted to a childish good guys and bad guys dichotomy.

Hol up. Is you sayin. Indigenous history, ain't just Cowboys n Indians???

Same to you good sir, but i really think your view of me is not accurate, though admittedly i have used this forum to vent a lot of the "loschen hara" i don't put out in polite society.

You don't hold back for "polite society". Any time you have to make a phone call asking someone for help, you're verbally abusive, and you troll through your public FaceBook grotesquely asking for sexual favors.

 

[Albert Ball]

keep wallpapering your broken brains with hate speech for me

You are the one one that keeps coming back Tom. I'm starting to think YOUR head is the one we are living in rent free. This community does just fine, even during extended periods of your absence.

Once you die, we will simply label your thread as "inactive" and continue moving on. You are only a single lolcow on the farm, there are plenty others to tend to in the pasture.

Spoiler: What Will Happen When Tom Finally Goes Away

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

You are the one one that keeps coming back Tom. I'm starting to think YOUR head is the one we are living in rent free. This community does just fine, even during extended periods of your absence.

Speak for yourself. Tommy here owes me $16,000 of back rent.

 

[Miss Tommie Jayne Wasserberg]

So, which tribe has officially recognized you as one of their own, Tom? You know you can't just step into a reservation, right?

Besides, I love it when people who have actual, indigenous background call you out, your response is to call them "anglicized apples." Shocking.

You do realize that tribes prefer to be separate from others, right? After all, cultural identity is huge. A Navajo is different than an Apache is different than a Cree. The fact that you casually lump them together though the guise of "indigenous egalitarianism" is a huge indicator of your white ignorance. Surely, you do remember that one little event in American history that lumped a bunch of tribes together and forced them to migrate hundreds of miles, don't you?

I know you're a retard, but even someone of your small intelligence knows that you're not qualified to speak on Indigenous people's behalf. You're a disgusting racist; go to the back of the room where no one can see you, dog-fucking colonizer.

None. I make no claims of anything except the indigeneity of my family's clan.

The people in this behavioral sink with "actual, indigenous background" are mean, stupid, fucking morons who disgrace their ancestors with their presence here.

the fact that you think i casually lump them together is an indication that you're illiterate and not paying attention to anything that I've said.

your entire argument is a pile of ad hominem twaddle laced with straw men. you're beneath contempt, child. you have nothing to offer but mean, stupid shit.

 

[Miss Tommie Jayne Wasserberg]

We don't have to walk the talk because we haven't diddled underaged girls or masturbated dogs. And there will be huge changes. You just won't be around to adapt because you'll be dead!



I'm not a native. I visited my husband's reservation last year and they had a fine art gallery exhibit dedicated to old people. If I were a Chickasaw with Chickasaw money, I'd build an extravagant casino along the riverfront to rake in the white man's money. It's fitting payback for all those years the white devils made my people endure.

If only Tom knew how fucking great some reservation life is. He's all for indigenous egalitarianism, but the reality is that some tribes are richer than Croesus.

keep believing bullshit about me and talking stupid shit at me. you obviously are clueless about the impact of casino money on these tribes. Crow Dog's vision was for a resort spa on Rosebud. They didn't want a casino anywhere near them.

 

[Owlflaps]

Reservation life can be great? Around here it's like living in Harlem if Harlem was a warzone. There are a few that you can only have First Nations police officers drive through because everyone else would be shot at.

Sorry, my bad. I didn't mean to imply that all reservation life is great. I understand that's not the case for all tribes.

I am saying the reservations that managed to take advantage of casino tourism got it made. When I saw my husband's res, felt like I was plopped into a small comfy upper middle class suburbia. Way nicer than the shithole city we live in currently.

 

[Miss Tommie Jayne Wasserberg]

@Miss Tommie Jayne Wasserberg why do you constantly insist that raping children is okay?

but i don't. why do you insist on putting words in my mouth that were never there?

Yep. The Chickasaw, Choctaw, Cherokee, Seminole, and Muscogee were what was--and still sometimes is--called the Five Civilized Tribes. The Confederacy promised Native sovereignty in the territory that is now Oklahoma, as long as they fought on the side of the South. Given that one of the prerequisites for Civilized Tribe status was, pre-Civil War, acceptance of the chattel slavery of Africans, this would make them horrible bigots if they were held to the same Progressive standard as their white fellows.

A wikipedia article to get you started:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Civilized_Tribes

I'm going to guess Tom has never heard of the infamous Crow Creek Massacre: [Link 1] [Link 2]

Or the known archaeological evidence of human sacrifice at Cahokia/Illinois Mounds: [Link]

As a bonus, have some light reading about warfare and warcrimes among the Natives of the Northeast and Great Lakes regions, circa 1600. [Link]

the crow creek massacre was the only significant pre-columbian massacre known in North America and after the invasion had started, many tribes allied with the Spanish, British and French colonizers against rival tribes, making things got much more messy than they had been before the Europeans showed up. Your Five Civilized Tribes, particularly the Cherokee , were slave holders and took them on the Trail of Tears. Commanche ate their enemies.

The Camp Grant Massacre in Tucson was carried out by european settlers who recruited a band of Tohono O'odham to slaughter a band of Apache that were supposed to be under the protection of the Army. The T/O warriors went into the camp before dawn, killing everybody, while the whites picked off people trying to escape the killing ground and it was over before the soldiers could ride out to stop it.

As so many others have pointed out, there were over 500 distinct nations with their own languages when the Europeans invaded. When I speak in general terms about indigenous culture , it is in comparison to industrialized culture and says nothing about specifics of their nations' customs and practices.

Industrialized humans are awful animals; they foul their nests, kill for sport , sell natural resources to each other and commit mass murder to protect the source of the commodity. Settler colonialism, with it's black snake powered perpetual war machine, has spread like a metastatic cancer over the entire planet in the past 1000 years and in the past 70, industrial fascism has taken control of most of the governments. Industrialized man doesn't have much time left to restore indigenous biodiversity to his population centers and agricultural lands before the planet does it for him. Prove me wrong without insults, if you are capable.

 

[Mellow Malevolent]

Fuck off Tom. You aren't even making a coherent argument to argue against. Indigeneity is not a solution to the problems of industrial society, you haven't laid out anything that promises such. Your infantile dichotomies are why people like you got sidelined in the 60s and haven't done shit since. You don't offer a way forward, merely a dead end where you rail against the social order you parasite off of and pretend this makes you less complicit. You literally belong to an industry that trades minerals as commodities purely for aesthetic value, while taking money from the state, money generated by industrial activity. You are about as far removed from your romanticized indigeneity as it is possible to be. Do you even grow food in a garden or anything?

Settlers colonialism is also not 1000 years old. The very first European colony was the Canaries in the 1400s.

But I don't actually want to debate you. Debating you would be pretending we are on the same level, when everybody else posting in this thread is about as far above you as you are above the cockroaches you live with. Your morality is self-serving and narcissistic, and you prove that with every interaction we see and every story you tell. Fuck off and die.

 

[Just A Butt]

but i don't. why do you insist on putting words in my mouth that were never there?

because you keep saying "it's not a big deal, she was really mature for her age, bro, her parents were probably assholes, lots of other dudes hit it before i tried" but none of those things makes molesting a child ok

 

[RadioactiveMonkeyMan]

Industrialized humans are awful animals; they foul their nests, kill for sport , sell natural resources to each other and commit mass murder to protect the source of the commodity.

Some glaring hypocrisy there, Tom.

 

[Owlflaps]

None. I make no claims of anything except the indigeneity of my family's clan.

Being Native American Jew doesn't count as a clan, delusional retard. You can say you're a fifth generation Jew, but that's not analogous to being indigenous. For that matter, being called Two-Spirit is equally disgenous. You're appropriating a term meant for actual indigenous people, in order to roleplay a delusional fantasy.

The people in this behavioral sink with "actual, indigenous background" are mean, stupid, fucking morons who disgrace their ancestors with their presence here.

Thanks for proving my point, Tranny Two-Spirit. Some KF have actual indigenous backgrounds, and the fact you dismiss them and call them "anglicized apples" because they have differing opinions makes you a fucking racist. Once again, exit's the other way. Don't let the door hit your rotting corpse ass on the way out.

the fact that you think i casually lump them together is an indication that you're illiterate and not paying attention to anything that I've said.

Ahem:

I stand for indigenous egalitarianism vs industrial fascist authoritarianism for all people sincerely living according to universally agreed on moral principles, most particularly the golden rule.

Sounds like you are, illiterate mong. You think Indigenous people are going to live like peasants and somehow band together because of some nebulous "golden rule?" Stop with this peaceful new-age hippie bullshit.

Did you know Native Americans were murdering eachother for territory, long before colonizers or money was in the picture? The only reason the people of the Five Nations sided with Jackson was because it was a desperate bid to preserve their own culture, they didn't give a shit about anyone else.

your entire argument is a pile of ad hominem twaddle laced with straw men. you're beneath contempt, child. you have nothing to offer but mean, stupid shit.

Pot calling the kettle, Thomas. I only offer the same mean, stupid shit you like to dish out as common courtesy.

Please keep wallpapering your brain with delusions of grandeur, demented old man. You're pissing away your mother's estate on lolsuits. You're not a Two-Spirit or from some ancient Jewish clan. You're an impoverished, broke old man, arguing with an internet stranger.

I hope you die mad!

 

[RazorBackBacon]

but i don't. why do you insist on putting words in my mouth that were never there?

the crow creek massacre was the only significant pre-columbian massacre known in North America and after the invasion had started, many tribes allied with the Spanish, British and French colonizers against rival tribes, making things got much more messy than they had been before the Europeans showed up. Your Five Civilized Tribes, particularly the Cherokee , were slave holders and took them on the Trail of Tears. Commanche ate their enemies.

The Camp Grant Massacre in Tucson was carried out by european settlers who recruited a band of Tohono O'odham to slaughter a band of Apache that were supposed to be under the protection of the Army. The T/O warriors went into the camp before dawn, killing everybody, while the whites picked off people trying to escape the killing ground and it was over before the soldiers could ride out to stop it.

As so many others have pointed out, there were over 500 distinct nations with their own languages when the Europeans invaded. When I speak in general terms about indigenous culture , it is in comparison to industrialized culture and says nothing about specifics of their nations' customs and practices.

Industrialized humans are awful animals; they foul their nests, kill for sport , sell natural resources to each other and commit mass murder to protect the source of the commodity. Settler colonialism, with it's black snake powered perpetual war machine, has spread like a metastatic cancer over the entire planet in the past 1000 years and in the past 70, industrial fascism has taken control of most of the governments. Industrialized man doesn't have much time left to restore indigenous biodiversity to his population centers and agricultural lands before the planet does it for him. Prove me wrong without insults, if you are capable.

WHEW LOOKIT HIM GO!! STEP RIGHT UP FOLKS AND WATCH THE TOOTHLESS WONDER WIN GOLD IN THE 500 METER BACKPEDAL!!! HOT DAMN I LOVE IT WHEN THE IDJITS TRY TO PRETEND THEY AGREED WITH ME ALL ALONG!!!

 

[blablabla]

but i don't. why do you insist on putting words in my mouth that were never there?

the crow creek massacre was the only significant pre-columbian massacre known in North America and after the invasion had started, many tribes allied with the Spanish, British and French colonizers against rival tribes, making things got much more messy than they had been before the Europeans showed up. Your Five Civilized Tribes, particularly the Cherokee , were slave holders and took them on the Trail of Tears. Commanche ate their enemies.

The Camp Grant Massacre in Tucson was carried out by european settlers who recruited a band of Tohono O'odham to slaughter a band of Apache that were supposed to be under the protection of the Army. The T/O warriors went into the camp before dawn, killing everybody, while the whites picked off people trying to escape the killing ground and it was over before the soldiers could ride out to stop it.

As so many others have pointed out, there were over 500 distinct nations with their own languages when the Europeans invaded. When I speak in general terms about indigenous culture , it is in comparison to industrialized culture and says nothing about specifics of their nations' customs and practices.

Industrialized humans are awful animals; they foul their nests, kill for sport , sell natural resources to each other and commit mass murder to protect the source of the commodity. Settler colonialism, with it's black snake powered perpetual war machine, has spread like a metastatic cancer over the entire planet in the past 1000 years and in the past 70, industrial fascism has taken control of most of the governments. Industrialized man doesn't have much time left to restore indigenous biodiversity to his population centers and agricultural lands before the planet does it for him. Prove me wrong without insults, if you are capable.

shut up stupid

 

[Mellow Malevolent]

"I don't lump all natives together! I'm respectfu!!" Tom says as he posts a yoga mom level meme about tipis he definitely stole from an energy healing facebook page.

Incidentally, if anyone is actually interested in warfare in the Americas precontact:

https://www.amazon.ca/American-Indigenous-Warfare-Ritual-Violence-ebook/

Please note that this book is not a polemic about the savage red man, but just lays out the fact that the first peoples of North America did the fairly normal human thing of hating and warring on most of the people immediately surrounding them. To deny this truth is akin to saying that the Greeks were all peaceful philosophers and pretending Alexander didn't exist. It's denying the peoples of North America their actual military history.

Don't be like Tom, respect actual historical scholarship, instead of the voices in your head.

 

[Miss Misery]

> none of the "people" confronting me have qualified as traditional indigenous people. i'm getting set on by anglicized apples.

Only a white man would require qualifications (as defined by himself) for Indians to prove who they are...

 

[AnOminous]

> none of the "people" confronting me have qualified as traditional indigenous people. i'm getting set on by anglicized apples.

Only a white man would require qualifications (as defined by himself) for Indians to prove who they are...

When has Tom proven that he's anything other than the white man he obviously is?

 

[Miss Misery]

When has Tom proven that he's anything other than the white man he obviously is?

I mean, I guess that depends if you think Jews are white...

 

[Mellow Malevolent]

> none of the "people" confronting me have qualified as traditional indigenous people. i'm getting set on by anglicized apples.

Only a white man would require qualifications (as defined by himself) for Indians to prove who they are...

What I can't get over is that his own bullshit life narrative uses Jewish persecution in Europe for pity, claiming it "broke" his chain of tradition back to old Israel. It's literally the same as claiming his people were colonized and/or assimilated, which they were! But he throws it out like a slur to everyone else.

Tom is a hypocrite of the highest calibre.

 

[RazorBackBacon]

"I don't lump all natives together! I'm respectfu!!" Tom says as he posts a yoga mom level meme about tipis he definitely stole from an energy healing facebook page.

Incidentally, if anyone is actually interested in warfare in the Americas precontact:

https://www.amazon.ca/American-Indigenous-Warfare-Ritual-Violence-ebook/

Please note that this book is not a polemic about the savage red man, but just lays out the fact that the first peoples of North America did the fairly normal human thing of hating and warring on most of the people immediately surrounding them. To deny this truth is akin to saying that the Greeks were all peaceful philosophers and pretending Alexander didn't exist. It's denying the peoples of North America their actual military history.

Don't be like Tom, respect actual historical scholarship, instead of the voices in your head.

Your link isn't working for me, it might be because I'm down in Burgerlandia. Is this the book?

North American Indigenous Warfare and Ritual Violence: Chacon, Richard J., Mendoza, Rubén G.: 9780816530380: Books - Amazon.ca

North American Indigenous Warfare and Ritual Violence: Chacon, Richard J., Mendoza, Rubén G.: 9780816530380: Books - Amazon.ca

www.amazon.ca

 

[MediocreMilt]

Do you even grow food in a garden or anything?

If he did, we can at least be sure he'd produce his own fertilizer.