This is rich coming from you Tom. Go ahead and enjoy all the modern conveniences that technology has given you while screaming how awful Industrialized Humans are.
A Native American Christmas Blessing
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Because we all want to live in a place where civilization doesn't reach.
In places such as Afghanistan, Rwanda and Niger, where we can live as our ancestors did, in extremely tribal societies where might makes right, where healthcare is non-existent, infant mortality is prevalent and the average lifespan barely reaches 30.
Would you be able to stay alive if you were born in these regions Tom?
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Tommy Tooter sexually assaulted a dog and a minor and feels no remorse (and culturally appropriates Native American beliefs and traditions).
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At least once a week you gloat about fondling little girls (and dogs)
I think I've been to two that were pretty okay. One was inside a town (which I'm sure they loved being surrounded by the white man while being there) and another one just outside another town I visited. Real nice people at that on, Blackfoot I believe. I was 16 at the time and was stranded on the highway so they took me in until I could get back home.
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It really depends on the reservation. I go to an Indian health center on another tribe's rez and it's pretty decent (and the clinic is great). They've got a casino but I don't think it makes all that much money.
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I'd ask you to pick up a book sometime but you're illiterate. Even if you did read one you wouldn't be able to understand the content. Even what would be known eventually as Canada had it's fair share of wars. Hell here we have things called "mourning wars" where you went off and kidnapped people to replace people you've lost. Around 1000AD we have evidence of multiple tribes setting up what would be best described as wooden forts.
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We could replace you with a bot at this point.
Oh shit, things are going to change in the next few decades? What an absolutely fucking fascinating insight. The world changes over time. Amazing.
So what exactly are you doing about this? Because it seems to me that you’re not exactly rejecting industrialised society.
He wants all indigenous people to be good little noble savages. If they don’t follow his stereotypical view, then to him, they can’t be the real deal as decided by him, a white man.
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"ADAPT OR DIE," the hippie declared, resplendent in full 60's regalia.
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Tom's vision doesn't actually exist anywhere on earth, and it never really did. Even places like rural Afghanistan and Pakistan haven't been untouched by modernity. Really this only places I can think would be something like the sentinel islands in India, where we know people live but they kill anyone who tries to contact them.
One of the things that's really frustrating with people like Tom (that others in this thread like Owlflaps have pointed out) is that his chosen LARP targets, North American Indigenous people, like all humans, adapted to new ideas and new technologies. They didn't stay static in their relationship with the earth, each other, or the white man, they weren't like some Neolithic throw back preserved over here.
Here's a good example of why Tom is full of shit (and really just me being a history nerd, but I really like this example):
This is an authentic Navajo wool saddle blanket, made in the weaving traditions of their people. It features the iconic designs that people almost automatically associate with the Southwest US. Passed down for generations, since time immemorial, right?
Except
In short, shut up you know-nothing, dog-mongling child rapist. Don't try to defend you total lack of knowledge about the people you appropriate from.
Even societies that still feature strong clan or tribal ties adapt to new ideas. Somalia has strong clan ties, but in plays out by places like Hargeisa having clan specific social clubs and medical clinics, because it's about resource pooling for the people you recognize as your people. We have that with nation-states, but the concept is the same. It's not magically more in tune with nature to have loyalty to an extended kinship or linguistic group, than it is to have loyalty to the polity you happened to be born in. Tribal societies also weren't any guarantee of living in harmony with nature, though various indigenous groups did engage in activities meant to regenerates resources from year-to-year, just like pre-modern Europeans did. Environmental degradation, while it can be exacerbated by poor choices by humans, is also a function of population levels. Europe was running out of wood by the time people switched to coal, because there were too many peasants who needed it for their cooking fires. Subsistence hunting only maintains itself indefinitely if famine and disease keeps populations low, and there's evidence that even relatively isolated tribes in Brazil overharvest local resources because the limited access to medicine they have still means enough kids survive that there are too many mouths to feed.
Which is not to say that there aren't things that can be learned from indigenous groups! One of the ones that stuck with me, in some journal article I read way back, was Dall sheep in the Northwest Territories. Biologists the government hired said that you could hunt as many males as you wanted, because they weren't important for raising young. The Dene of the region said that conversely, no, the males definitely mattered. Killing of the males by game hunters caused an unexpected population collapse and the government had to backtrack and realize that they had listened to biologists with no actual knowledge of the species, and who were just working on general assumptions. My own politics are little off the standard compass, but I would call myself most strongly an empiricist-humanist. I believe in using concrete human knowledge, often but not always obtained through through the scientific method, to maximize human flourishing on this planet. But there are limitations to experimentation, for ethical and practical reasons, that means that you can go for alternative sources of knowledge to find new ideas, so that you can test in the field and some that you can use to compare observations to see if maybe a relationship you would've thought of is actually present. None of this requires rejecting all of modern society.
Which is not to say that there aren't things that can be learned from indigenous groups! One of the ones that stuck with me, in some journal article I read way back, was Dall sheep in the Northwest Territories. Biologists the government hired said that you could hunt as many males as you wanted, because they weren't important for raising young. The Dene of the region said that conversely, no, the males definitely mattered. Killing of the males by game hunters caused an unexpected population collapse and the government had to backtrack and realize that they had listened to biologists with no actual knowledge of the species, and who were just working on general assumptions. My own politics are little off the standard compass, but I would call myself most strongly an empiricist-humanist. I believe in using concrete human knowledge, often but not always obtained through through the scientific method, to maximize human flourishing on this planet. But there are limitations to experimentation, for ethical and practical reasons, that means that you can go for alternative sources of knowledge to find new ideas, so that you can test in the field and some that you can use to compare observations to see if maybe a relationship you would've thought of is actually present. None of this requires rejecting all of modern society.
One of the things that's really frustrating with people like Tom (that others in this thread like Owlflaps have pointed out) is that his chosen LARP targets, North American Indigenous people, like all humans, adapted to new ideas and new technologies. They didn't stay static in their relationship with the earth, each other, or the white man, they weren't like some Neolithic throw back preserved over here.
Here's a good example of why Tom is full of shit (and really just me being a history nerd, but I really like this example):
This is an authentic Navajo wool saddle blanket, made in the weaving traditions of their people. It features the iconic designs that people almost automatically associate with the Southwest US. Passed down for generations, since time immemorial, right?
Except
none of those things existed in North America prior to contact with Europe! Sheep wool (Churra to be particular) comes with the Spanish, and is only introduced to the Navajo via the Pueblo people in the 1600s as they moved north post revolting against the Spanish. Horses likewise weren't on the North American continent until introduction by the Spanish, the only wild horse species having been hunted to extinction with the arrival of humans, and attestable only in the fossil record. So both the material this object is made from, and the purpose it served were European in origin.
But what about the design? Surely that must be authentic Navajo from 5000 years ago? Nope! Prior to the late 1800s, Navajo blankets were mostly just simple striped patterns. It was only with the importation of new dyes and pre-dyed wool that some of the more exotic eye dazzling patterns became possible. At the same time competition from other parts of the world started forcing innovations of design, and imitations. Take this example:
Great piece of Navajo art, right? It's actually an Azerbaijani Kilim (Carpet). The iconic designs that people associate with the Southwest, that have been part of huge fights about cultural appropriation by a bunch of idiot white people, do not come from the Southwest. I mean this is even putting aside the fact that the Navajo were relocated so the regions they now occupy are not their ancestral lands. But this is how actual histories totally washed over and forgotten by both sides of the stupid debates. Before the final push to drive indigenous people into the reservations, they had centuries of interactions with Europeans. They evolved, adapted with, and resisted the settler societies that increasingly became belligerent and eventually dominated them. It wasn't the peaceful stupid Eloi getting eaten by the Morlocks.
But what about the design? Surely that must be authentic Navajo from 5000 years ago? Nope! Prior to the late 1800s, Navajo blankets were mostly just simple striped patterns. It was only with the importation of new dyes and pre-dyed wool that some of the more exotic eye dazzling patterns became possible. At the same time competition from other parts of the world started forcing innovations of design, and imitations. Take this example:
Great piece of Navajo art, right? It's actually an Azerbaijani Kilim (Carpet). The iconic designs that people associate with the Southwest, that have been part of huge fights about cultural appropriation by a bunch of idiot white people, do not come from the Southwest. I mean this is even putting aside the fact that the Navajo were relocated so the regions they now occupy are not their ancestral lands. But this is how actual histories totally washed over and forgotten by both sides of the stupid debates. Before the final push to drive indigenous people into the reservations, they had centuries of interactions with Europeans. They evolved, adapted with, and resisted the settler societies that increasingly became belligerent and eventually dominated them. It wasn't the peaceful stupid Eloi getting eaten by the Morlocks.
In short, shut up you know-nothing, dog-mongling child rapist. Don't try to defend you total lack of knowledge about the people you appropriate from.
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I don't even know if it's fair to say people like Tom got sidelined. Rather, people like Tom are why people who actually had genuine beliefs got sidelined in the 60s, because people like Tom are revolting parasites that latch on to the movements/identities of people who actually have it rough, drain them of all public credibility by abusing and subverting the momentum of the movement to benefit themselves and to wield as a moral bludgeon against anyone who they feel threatened by, then once the movement has been completely exsanguinated, like fattened fucking ticks they simply drop off and go out in search of a new host.
I'm guessing that's why every time Tom gets mocked for something demonstrable (his music/art, his lolsuits, his suspiciously absent inheritence, the threat he poses to minors) he suddenly starts leaning much more heavily on the identity politics bullshit. It's like a subconscious defense mechanism for these people, and it really is despicable.
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Thanking teutzin that I didn't see this on Christmas, what a miracle.
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my name isn't Tom. I don't want to live in a world where might makes right.
Such a smug, narrow minded view is to be expected from a member of a pack of sadomasochistic sociopathic voyeurs. The goal of the modern indigenous leaders i support is to reconcile the technology to the natural world, which is what i trained to do.This is rich coming from you Tom. Go ahead and enjoy all the modern conveniences that technology has given you while screaming how awful Industrialized Humans are.
you're not well in the head if you believe nonsense like that.
you'd be guessing real wrong, you ridiculous pseudointellectual dork. you're in a very tiny minority of people who do that. please stay stupid and ramp up your attacks, fucktard. the contrast is obvious to intelligent people.
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Yet it is
Then you might wanna check out then dude, because I have some bad news for you.
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bruh. You keep saying retard pedo shit like "professional musicians get away with it" as though that makes anyone want to absolve you instead of making everyone want to lock up musical pedos.
Have you forgotten about this little gem?
The Rainbow Family’s “peace and love” gatherings are strongly associated with the hippie subculture. The group was founded in 1970s and professes to have no leaders or hierarchy, and appears to draw its name from a fake Native American prophecy claiming that a band of ‘Rainbow Warriors’ will ‘make the earth green again’.
Usually, the myth of the Rainbow Warriors is falsely credited as being a Cree or Hopi prophecy. However, the origin is not First Nations or Native American at all, but rather from a book titled Warriors of the Rainbow by William Willoya and Vinson Brown.
It was basically an evangelical Christian tract which was published in 1962. If anything, it was an attack on Native culture and an attempt to evangelize within the Native American community.
https://redpowermedia.wordpress.com...ainbow-warriors-gathering-in-the-black-hills/
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Eat shit and die, Tom. You are an "industrialized human" yourself you filthy fucking piece of shit. You are not Uncle Ted Kaczynski, who actually went and lived alone in a crude cabin. You live in a rental space. You sponge off the social system provided by capitalism.
You are absolute fucking vermin. You have no place in the anti-industrial movement, just as you have no place in any other movement that involves humans.
Kill yourself, you garbage.
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"Foul his nest" -- everyone can verify from Thomas's videos.
"Kill for sport" -- Thomas doesn't do it because he can't tell the trigger from the muzzle; he eats roadkill.
"Sell natural resources to each other" -- but the gems are "ethically sourced" right?
I'm sure hiring exterminators is part of that plan?
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Tom you’re almost 70 and the only places anyone has ever given a shit about you are here and amb. Places where everyone shits on you constantly.
Government subsidized senior housing is horrific. Absolutely miserable. Think on that.
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Says the man named Thomas who gloats about molesting animals and children. Its from your own words Thomas.