Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Mr Baloon Hands]

The thing that really messes with my head is, they know the inside of a neovag is made out of SKIN of the thing they probably jerked off like there was no tomorrow, my brain is spinning trying to figure out if they ever so much as fingered an actual vagina, actually felt the inside of one and had a feel of the tissue that's there. I have no idea how delusional someone has to be to even come close to a belief that it comes close to the same thing.

Those fucking idiots would probably be better off legitimately seweing a fleshlight into them.

Everything they think they know about vaginas they learned from porn.

 

[Crepidodera fulvicornis]

Everything they think they know about vaginas they learned from porn.

Down to calling vulva (and everything down there, tbh) vagina, with co-starring of clitoris, because WuhMan

 

[crab hole]

The thing that really messes with my head is, they know the inside of a neovag is made out of SKIN of the thing they probably jerked off like there was no tomorrow, my brain is spinning trying to figure out if they ever so much as fingered an actual vagina, actually felt the inside of one and had a feel of the tissue that's there. I have no idea how delusional someone has to be to even come close to a belief that it comes close to the same thing.

Those fucking idiots would probably be better off legitimately seweing a fleshlight into them.

A lot of them believe that by virtue of inverting their dick and taking hormones, the skin somehow undergoes metaplasia and emerges as true and honest vaginal tissue. It seems to have originated from this old article that copes hard about studies on surgery done to actual females.

Unfortunately(?) it does not happen. Obviously.

edit: I read this nightmare while digging for that first link. Remember lesbians and straight men, it's just like a natal vagina! Eat up.

 

[Falling Star]

Small update on I_am_xs, the unfortunate troon dealing with poopy pads thanks to three fistulas - courtesy of Dr. Praful Ramineni.
(He also needed to get several blood transfusions at his local ER!)



Prescient:

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Someone in the thread about "SRS surgeons to avoid" asked what was wrong with Dr. Daniel Freet. Of course, we (kiwis) have seen several examples of his butchery.
This disaster was linked in response:

Spoiler: NSFW

Original botched vaginoplasty done by Dr. Freet:


He went in for a revision with Dr. Freet, who botched it again:


Finally, he abandoned Dr. Freet and sought out another revision with a different surgeon:

With more revisions yet to come!

I'm not even sure what I'm looking at or what the plan was...
PublicVictory5833 is the victim of this butchery, btw. Here's what he had to say:


He also wants to sue, but he can't find a lawyer willing to touch the case.

Very interesting, I guess Dr. Daniel Freet is free to continue butchering troons. Sounds to me like no one wants to risk their career by getting involved in trans stuff.

 

[AfghanBlue]

The thing that really messes with my head is, they know the inside of a neovag is made out of SKIN of the thing they probably jerked off like there was no tomorrow, my brain is spinning trying to figure out if they ever so much as fingered an actual vagina, actually felt the inside of one and had a feel of the tissue that's there. I have no idea how delusional someone has to be to even come close to a belief that it comes close to the same thing.

Those fucking idiots would probably be better off legitimately seweing a fleshlight into them.

I guess that, like the person who posted here a few pages ago stated, unless they REALLY research well enough as to end up somewhere like here, they just dont know.

They are desperate people, happy to volunteer authority.
We live in a world, where unlike our forbears, we are surrounded by, and rely on, technology for our every whim which most of us have no idea how to manufacture, the real science behind, or could fix if it went wrong- Troons especially are less handy, and even the ones who take themselves to be computer whizzes know laughably little.
Back in the day if you were into computing you had to understand a LOT about it.
You could sign up for magazines where you basically built one yourself and had to learn how to programme it. Now even the ones with lame ugly gamer chairs who 'built their computers' really did nothing of the sort.
And we've seen the state of the Tranch when they even (allegedly, try at least) to do something (with the potential to be) commendable and independent.

Nope. They want someone to magic them up a real vagina, just like how someone has magicked them the miracle that is an iphone, or even a central hearing system for all they know about it.

They are also staggeringly ignorant of gay history where they could find a lot of things to edify them.

I've been thinking a lot about a Quentin Crisp quote, the bit in bold was the only thing i could recall from it- he was archetypal 1st troon (who knew better than to troon).
He even had an absolute shit tip of a home like them, saying that after the first 4 years of filth, it doesnt get any worse.

Anyway:

"I believe what my nature inclines me to believe.
I believe I was born unfit for the world not because of anything to do with sex, but because of gender.

I have always felt like a woman born into a man’s body. Had I the money or the opportunity early in life, I would certainly have had a sex change. Although because that would have made me a sex-change freak instead of the freak I already was, it probably wouldn’t have solved anything really.
I felt I had no choice but to stumble on as I was, and throw myself on the mercy of the world.

When I wrote my autobiography, and my editor came across the words "I was disfigured by pathological homosexuality," she said, "You can’t say that."
So I said I was disfigured by a certain kind of homosexuality. But my belief has not changed.

I believe that homosexuality is pathological when it colours every single aspect of your life as it has coloured mine. When every word you speak and every action you take proclaims "I am a homosexual" before all else, this seems to me regrettable.
You are crippled by it because it separates you from the majority. There is a kind of homosexuality that is not pathological, and that is when you accept it simply as one part of many parts that makes you you. When it overshadows all other traits, it seems to me a mistake."

Now the ridiculous thing is, most modern day troons are NOT even the sort of balls to the wall flamers that crisp was, and even if they were, that doenst get you chased down the street and smeared on the pavements any more.
And yet they are still making it their entire life, as he warned was the route of a deep loneliness and malaise.
Maybe it is just the obsession of the autistic child, perversed through adult fetishism ..

Many troons are dumb pervs who need to be constantly coddled and validated by the world and are utterly incapable of standing on their own feet, wether that is feeding, clothing and warming themsleves, or even just their ability to exist and have a sense of self- the kind of thing that experts have lots of terminology about, and is a major focus in the field of child psychology and development.
They are in fact, the eternal child.
Any surpise it has boomed in a generation who coined the term:

Spoiler: NSFL

'adulting'.

 

[guy on the net]

I'm not very familiar with how the site's quoting system works, sorry, but thank you for the responses for my initial post. I came to this site specifically because I needed brutally honest opinions. Validation (or even criticism) sought from circles I am already in would only increase confirmation bias.

An addition, as to not make my post solely reactionary, and perhaps something to broaden your glossary and knowledge on the topic - the term "transmedicalist" (i.e. a person that believes dysphoria is required to be trans) doesn't exactly have scholarly origins. If I remember correctly, it rose from the 2015/2016 surge of transtrenders from Tumblr. "True" transgender people were (rightfully) sick that their identities were flung around and tacked as a profile filler as if a trivial fun fact about one's self. Hence the word arose.

In fact, the word transmedicalist - or transmed - was made with truscum, which came in pair with tucute. Truscum has the same meaning with transmed. The word tucute - "too cute to be transgender" - is the opposite, i.e. no dysphoria is required to be transgender.

Something very, very odd happened in that very specific era of Tumblr. It domino'ed into transtrender communities (such as ones you regularly see on this forum), autogynephilia or its adjacents, caught up extremely confused people like me, then I guess somehow into the thread you're reading today. It is no coincidence that most detransers/SRS regrettors you have here are mostly those in their 20s/30s. They were 15, 17, 20 when they were in this era. Interpolate that information in your mind.

Additionally, tucutes birthed another world of transgenderism - namely xenogenders (which has been lumped under nonbinary) and neopronouns. I'm not sure if it also birthed the "split attraction" model (i.e. the phrase "bisexual lesbian" you might be seeing around), but all of it coincided in one time. I wasn't very big into Tumblr, but I witnessed it all unfolding.

I don't believe that this information has been something I've read here, so I hope I'm just not repeating things. If what I've just said sounds like a bunch of garbage jargon to you, Wikipedia might enlighten you:

Transmedicalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

LGBT - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.wikipedia.org

It may be of interest to you to search whether those regretting SRS had identified as tucute/truscum at some point, if you'd like to entertain some time. It was an extremely big keyword some half decade ago - I remember it as such anyway - though the words now have matured from the more cringy "truscum"/"tucute" to "transmedicalist" or the longer version of tucute, which is likely posts resembling "you don't need dysphoria to be trans".

Hopefully this gives a bit more insight, even if it sounds like I just made it all up. I wish I did.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Prescient:
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Lmao dude was scared shitless because his genital butchering was near and yet he went through it. The trans delusion was too strong. His body warned him but he was so disconnected from it & hated it so much that he chose multilation before cancelling. Another idiot's body ruined by troon ideology where therapy and doubts are verboten.

He knew he made a mistake even before srs and now he has to deal with the consequences. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[AfghanBlue]

I'm not very familiar with how the site's quoting system works, sorry, but thank you for the responses for my initial post. I came to this site specifically because I needed brutally honest opinions. Validation (or even criticism) sought from circles I am already in would only increase confirmation bias.

An addition, as to not make my post solely reactionary, and perhaps something to broaden your glossary and knowledge on the topic - the term "transmedicalist" (i.e. a person that believes dysphoria is required to be trans) doesn't exactly have scholarly origins. If I remember correctly, it rose from the 2015/2016 surge of transtrenders from Tumblr. "True" transgender people were (rightfully) sick that their identities were flung around and tacked as a profile filler as if a trivial fun fact about one's self. Hence the word arose.

In fact, the word transmedicalist - or transmed - was made with truscum, which came in pair with tucute. Truscum has the same meaning with transmed. The word tucute - "too cute to be transgender" - is the opposite, i.e. no dysphoria is required to be transgender.

Something very, very odd happened in that very specific era of Tumblr. It domino'ed into transtrender communities (such as ones you regularly see on this forum), autogynephilia or its adjacents, caught up extremely confused people like me, then I guess somehow into the thread you're reading today. It is no coincidence that most detransers/SRS regrettors you have here are mostly those in their 20s/30s. They were 15, 17, 20 when they were in this era. Interpolate that information in your mind.

Additionally, tucutes birthed another world of transgenderism - namely xenogenders (which has been lumped under nonbinary) and neopronouns. I'm not sure if it also birthed the "split attraction" model (i.e. the phrase "bisexual lesbian" you might be seeing around), but all of it coincided in one time. I wasn't very big into Tumblr, but I witnessed it all unfolding.

I don't believe that this information has been something I've read here, so I hope I'm just not repeating things. If what I've just said sounds like a bunch of garbage jargon to you, Wikipedia might enlighten you:

Transmedicalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

LGBT - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.wikipedia.org

It may be of interest to you to search whether those regretting SRS had identified as tucute/truscum at some point, if you'd like to entertain some time. It was an extremely big keyword some half decade ago - I remember it as such anyway - though the words now have matured from the more cringy "truscum"/"tucute" to "transmedicalist" or the longer version of tucute, which is likely posts resembling "you don't need dysphoria to be trans".

Hopefully this gives a bit more insight, even if it sounds like I just made it all up. I wish I did.

sadly we are pretty well informed on the lingo and lore.

Spoiler: an aside

hey, you probably have the most cursed join date on the site.
that is better than any badge you could have.
pure blackpill shit.
(my join date denotes I am one of a glut of people who joined purely to hate on the advent of PhilosophyTroon)

 

[AssignedEva]

I'm not sure if it also birthed the "split attraction" model (i.e. the phrase "bisexual lesbian" you might be seeing around), but all of it coincided in one time. I wasn't very big into Tumblr, but I witnessed it all unfolding.

Spoiler: Off topic

Split attraction model mostly came out of the asexual community, where you had either homosexual biromantics/asexual heteroromantics/bisexual aromantics (the idea that a romantic and sexual orientation could be different), or the idea of primary sexual attraction (normal), secondary sexual attraction (demisexuals - so they only experienced sexual attraction after catching feelings for someone).

It spiralled from there into more autistic extremes and it's how you end up with a demibisexual lesbian who participates in orgies or a cupioromantic autochorisexual in a queerplatonic relationship. The level of granularity the ace community had probably helped bolster the level of specificity of xenogenders, but I never really saw those outside of tumblr - mostly you get enbys that don't go into more detail than that, "transmasc" who often end up still wearing skirts and makeup because men can do drag too uwu, and transfeminine lesbians like Kevin who claim to be non binary women.

They've mostly lost the really weird xenogender stuff but the tucute movement mirrored arguments both with LGBT people about if aces counted as LGBT and also arguments within the asexual community about if aces who fucked were valid, with anyone saying no or questioning the various pointless flags getting labelled an "exclusionist" or "exclu".

But yeah, most kiwis who spend time reading these threads either have first hand experience of that era or have picked it up from these threads... and that discourse has fed into the current era where trans people are protesting outside NHS England to say that they should be able to get their genitals cut up for free as soon as they want without ever talking to a psychiatrist.

 

[AfghanBlue]

Spoiler: Off topic

Split attraction model mostly came out of the asexual community, where you had either homosexual biromantics/asexual heteroromantics/bisexual aromantics (the idea that a romantic and sexual orientation could be different), or the idea of primary sexual attraction (normal), secondary sexual attraction (demisexuals - so they only experienced sexual attraction after catching feelings for someone).

It spiralled from there into more autistic extremes and it's how you end up with a demibisexual lesbian who participates in orgies or a cupioromantic autochorisexual in a queerplatonic relationship. The level of granularity the ace community had probably helped bolster the level of specificity of xenogenders, but I never really saw those outside of tumblr - mostly you get enbys that don't go into more detail than that, "transmasc" who often end up still wearing skirts and makeup because men can do drag too uwu, and transfeminine lesbians like Kevin who claim to be non binary women.

They've mostly lost the really weird xenogender stuff but the tucute movement mirrored arguments both with LGBT people about if aces counted as LGBT and also arguments within the asexual community about if aces who fucked were valid, with anyone saying no or questioning the various pointless flags getting labelled an "exclusionist" or "exclu".

But yeah, most kiwis who spend time reading these threads either have first hand experience of that era or have picked it up from these threads... and that discourse has fed into the current era where trans people are protesting outside NHS England to say that they should be able to get their genitals cut up for free as soon as they want without ever talking to a psychiatrist.

the granularity, as you well describe it, is really what perplexes me.

these people mostly all claim to come from neglectful, if not abusive homes, yet none of them seem to have really taken to heart the notion of

'GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELF,

no-one cares or needs to know who you want to bone, or why you don't.'


suitably low self-esteem should be 101 in someone mental enough to want to mangle their bits, yet there is a staggering lack of shame / level of comfort with being self-obsessed, that doesn't make sense in the situation:
I mean yes, troons are liars who by and large dont come from awful places but..there must be some level of neglect / shit parenting involved to end up buying into bullshit sex roles, desperately seeking online validation in the first place, so you'd think they would not have this misplaced massive ego which leads them to thinking that their sexuality is so important that its a paragraph long, and that anyone else needs to know it besides.

maybe its just another symptom of autistic categorising habits, combined with the inability to know that no one wants to hear them drone on about their boring obsession?

idk @guy on the net maybe you can offer some insight?

 

[kaien]

Very interesting, I guess Dr. Daniel Freet is free to continue butchering troons. Sounds to me like no one wants to risk their career by getting involved in trans stuff.

"They all say I have a good case" strikes me as either fantasyland or this poor bastard being let down easy. No reason to believe that Freet isn't protected in the same way Rumer is, by reams of waivers and releases the patient had to sign before going under.

 

[Mr Baloon Hands]

"They all say I have a good case" strikes me as either fantasyland or this poor bastard being let down easy. No reason to believe that Freet isn't protected in the same way Rumer is, by reams of waivers and releases the patient had to sign before going under.

I’ve talked to a person who had a failed phalloplasty and wanted to sue Crane: they can’t do anything because there’s no official standard of care for these surgeries so there’s no baseline to compare it to and say the surgeon did something wrong. It’s a lovely scam for these assholes.

 

[Sourceress]

Spoiler: Off topic

Split attraction model mostly came out of the asexual community, where you had either homosexual biromantics/asexual heteroromantics/bisexual aromantics (the idea that a romantic and sexual orientation could be different), or the idea of primary sexual attraction (normal), secondary sexual attraction (demisexuals - so they only experienced sexual attraction after catching feelings for someone).

It spiralled from there into more autistic extremes and it's how you end up with a demibisexual lesbian who participates in orgies or a cupioromantic autochorisexual in a queerplatonic relationship. The level of granularity the ace community had probably helped bolster the level of specificity of xenogenders, but I never really saw those outside of tumblr - mostly you get enbys that don't go into more detail than that, "transmasc" who often end up still wearing skirts and makeup because men can do drag too uwu, and transfeminine lesbians like Kevin who claim to be non binary women.

They've mostly lost the really weird xenogender stuff but the tucute movement mirrored arguments both with LGBT people about if aces counted as LGBT and also arguments within the asexual community about if aces who fucked were valid, with anyone saying no or questioning the various pointless flags getting labelled an "exclusionist" or "exclu".

But yeah, most kiwis who spend time reading these threads either have first hand experience of that era or have picked it up from these threads... and that discourse has fed into the current era where trans people are protesting outside NHS England to say that they should be able to get their genitals cut up for free as soon as they want without ever talking to a psychiatrist.

Spoiler: more OT

I feel like it's worth noting though that the "ace community" has been being called out for how homophobic the split attraction model is literally since it was created, because it relies on the idea that normal attraction is based solely on wanting to have sex with whoever you're attracted to and wanting to have sex all the time, which is/was already a homophobic stereotype gay and lesbian people deal with.

The whole thing is basically a load of mind-numbingly stupid, homophobic horseshit that's based on the idea that the "sex" in "homosexual"/"heterosexual"/"bisexual" refers to the act of having sex rather than the sex(es) that you are attracted to... which isn't true, obviously.

Additional fun fact: "Demisexual" was literally made up on Tumblr for somebody's fanfiction. Not enough people know about that.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Update: He went to the ER and the surgeon told him to wait until Monday and not dilate. Looks like the surgeon doesn't want to ruin his Christmas and would rather risk the troon die of sepsis.
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It pisses me off how strongly they defer to these butchers, even when they left them disfigured with a rotting dick. It should be easier to go to a real hospital and mitigate the damage as much as possible. Even if that means removing the rotting meatstick or closing the fake vaginal hole.

 

[Scrumption]

I'm kind of impressed - Reddit troons are discussing which surgeons for MTF SRS should be avoided and which are "good".
https://www.reddit.com/r/Transgender_Surgeries/comments/rorbt9/which_srs_surgeons_should_you_100_avoid/
Top post:
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McGinn in particular often cleans up the messes left by Kathy Rumer after she botches and ghosts her victims. I haven't heard of Min Jun and Avenassian, so I might have to look into them. I'm skeptical about the Suporn Clinic because they're usually just chosen for being very cheap and supposedly having "aesthetically pleasing" results, but it's true that they have vastly more experience than most SRS surgeons.

You might recall that Avanessian was at the scene of the crime of Jazz's surgery. He had the holy trinity: Marci Bowers, Jess Ting, and Bella Avanessian.

I wonder how some other names we hear floating around would land on this troon's list, such as Belanger, Brassard, Safir, Salgado, Deschamps-Braly.

Bonnington is pretty green; I can't recall seeing any of his horrors on this thread.

 

[Cryin RN]

Other ways to blow out the walls of a neovagina include fucking a hole into it, and routine douching.

Lmao, caught this shade from the douche one:

The CT scan also revealed the results of gender transformation, male to female.

...As if it took the CT scanner to figure that out. Covering their ass to avoid hurting troon feelings in a published paper.

 

[Sealbaby]

I'm not sure if it also birthed the "split attraction" model (i.e. the phrase "bisexual lesbian" you might be seeing around), but all of it coincided in one time. I wasn't very big into Tumblr, but I witnessed it all unfolding.

IIRC the 'split attraction' model was from AVEN and is very much bound up with the concept of asexuality.

It pisses me off how strongly they defer to these butchers, even when they left them disfigured with a rotting dick

Daniel J. Freet
Yeets too much meat
Leaves patients without enough money to eat
He's the face of the future transhuman elite
But unfortunately redditors
Still kiss his feet
It's all in a day's work for
Daniel J. Freet

 

[AfghanBlue]

Lmao, caught this shade from the douche one:

...As if it took the CT scanner to figure that out. Covering their ass to avoid hurting troon feelings in a published paper.

uhh..
“
Ninety-six to 99% of the normal sigmoid bacterial flora consists of anaerobes mainly Bacteroides species, fusobacteria and lactobacilli with count estimated to be 10’11 per gram faeces. The microflora of the sigmoid neovagina contains only normal inhabitants of the colon, but the total count of bacteria (10’3–10’11/g) is lower than reported for a healthy sigmoid colon.9

Having a leak through the sigmoid neovagina makes a passage for colon bacteria to the abdominal cavity or retroperitoneal space.”


watch out you don’t get PinkJapsEye, sticking your dick in there.

fr i don’t know what those feces per gram numbers mean, but i don’t like em

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

It should be easier to go to a real hospital and mitigate the damage as much as possible. Even if that means removing the rotting meatstick or closing the fake vaginal hole.

It's not the responsibility of a hospital to correct troon srs gone wrong tho. They already have enough patients that got hurt by illness & accidents. There is a reason srs butchers rarely touch each others "work" and hospitals are the same.

 

[Crepidodera fulvicornis]

He went in for a revision with Dr. Freet, who botched it again:

Can’t help but laugh at this photos every time. What even is going on her, what is this pouch. What’s the purpose of these pinched seams, and, of course, how can you do this and went “yup, perfect, off you go, ma’am”

I’ve talked to a person who had a failed phalloplasty and wanted to sue Crane: they can’t do anything because there’s no official standard of care for these surgeries so there’s no baseline to compare it to and say the surgeon did something wrong. It’s a lovely scam for these assholes

Not to rekindle but that troon from the last (?) week, with all “gimme proofs!”should have searched for “sue” in trans surgery subreddits, to see why there’s not much paperwork that documents someone’s regret