(Lindsay wakes up in bed sweating and panting, her heart racing. She looks at the clock. It's after 3:00 a.m. She gets up and turns on her desktop. The year on the corner of the screen is 2007. She opens the video file she's been editing, a review of the 1993 film Hocus Pocus she was going to send to Doug Walker for his Nostalgia Chick contest. She deletes it, then goes back to bed. She smiles and relaxes, thinking about the possibilities the future will hold.)
If anything, she'd just do it all over again, but this time skip college or trying to be the Nostalgia Chick and go straight to making videos on Blip that won't get her cancelled in a few years time.
Fair point and it was the early days too. I am just amazed that it seems like everyone but his brother, Brad, and Guru Larry (who was never even a part of the community so he doesn't count) were so willing to throw him under the bus. You would think there would be at least a few more who would be at least on civil terms.
Just means no one there thought of him as a friend, just as a coworker/boss at best and someone they could use to get themselves over at worst. Since certain meme era decided to make him a scapegoat, the other decided to join in rather than be tied to the pyre themselves.
It just so happens they managed to light themselves on fire while Doug just untied himself and moved on.
Cancelling someone is the act of taking something they've said or done as A Bad Thing and piling on with other people to make sure they suffer the consequences for it. Doesn't matter how long ago. Doesn't matter if they've changed views. Doesn't even matter if that thing is actually Bad, as long as the right person declares it as such - see Lindsay's own cancellation over pointing out an objective similarity between two products being called racist towards Asians. And inevitably, it doesn't matter how they react to it, because it's about displays of social power rather than the alleged 'consequences for actions' or 'calling out of problematic behaviour'. Lindsay was 'cancelled' when she got backlash for her Raya/Avatar tweet. This is just a point on the progress of her cancellation that it took her 8 months to get to.
That's pretty much the second half of cancellation. The first half is the trying to 'correct' the bad behaviour - that's the stage where nothing the person does is ever enough, and inevitably involves people trying to deplatform them. Associates - often who the target would have thought were friends but turn out to not be - are given strong incentive to join the mob as they get dragged in; see Lindsay's own attempted cancelling of the guy with the video of him being thrown through the window, because he filmed it with a woman who said some true things about troons years ago, deleted them and apparently had purged herself of wrongthink, and the guy had no idea she'd ever said it, but still she insisted he take the video down no matter that he was giving the profits to charities because how dare he associate with a known Bad Person, that makes him a Bad Person himself.
People become emboldened to try and take down someone without any fear of backlash, because they're one of thousands and so they can get as insulting, as personal and as cruel as they want because the target has never, ever done enough to get the mob off their back - unless they kill themselves. That's the secret goal of all cancellations, to get the person to erase themselves from the collective consciousness of the mob, and really there's only one way to do that. It's never, ever the stated reason, they'd be horrified to suggest that it was, but the way it plays out is always the same, and the end goal is indistinguishable from wanting them dead, because there's no real repentance possible.
The second half, the bit that's so hard to shake, the bit that SJWs deny ever happens and deny has any impact, is the bit that eventually got to Lindsay. It's something you see all the time on forums like ResetEra, Something Awful, RPGNet and Metafilter. It's something that comes up in YouTube comments, in tweet threads, basically everywhere. It means that whatever you post, whenever you do something even slightly notable, whenever you come up in discussion, someone will always, always, bring up that you did something problematic in the past, and the conversation will detour to discussing that. If you're very lucky, sometimes people can get away with saying that they know you have some problematic views but... and then the conversation can try and get back to talking about whatever new thing you've done. But in general, and what's undoubtedly happened to Lindsay like it has to so many others, often with her help or even instigated by her, is that she has the scarlet letter now, a big red P for Problematic. All it takes is literally five or so hysterical wokescolds who can't let anything go and are epic grudge-holders, and suddenly everything about you has to be about the harm you've caused and the pain poor, poor minorities, whose lives are unending pain already, have suffered because of your terrible behaviour.
When SJWs claim cancel culture isn't a thing, they're saying that no one (they always ignore the suicides because they're nearly always straight white men, who deserve it - suicide attempts are a common defence tactic against the mob, but they're rarely genuine) has ever completely vanished off the face of the earth after being cancelled, so how can it be real? These people still exist, and some of them have the audacity to go on living, even working, despite the SJWs thinking that yelling about someone on Twitter should be enough to fix the world. But that's not what cancel culture is, nor is it defined by who is successfully driven out of an industry, a social circle, the internet. Cancel culture isn't defined by its successes in destroying aspects of someone's life, it's defined by the attempts.
]JK Rowling has been cancelled, even though she has fuck you money and enough clout that she can't lose jobs, no matter how badly troons and their handmaidens REEEEEEEE that she's murdering them every day by pointing out biological sex is real, and that men who rape women maybe shouldn't then get put into a women's prison if they grow their hair out and ask to be called Deirdre. The cancellation hasn't been very successful, but in SJW circles - and that includes nearly everyone that would review either her work, or the work that's set in the same universe - you either disavow her, call her a TERF and a transphobe, and have to acknowledge that she's terrible, or you're just as bad as her. Nothing Harry Potter-related will ever come out without every article about it having to say that, or it will get bombarded with people, people exactly like Lindsay, probably Lindsay herself, complaining that by not addressing these things she's said you're basically agreeing with her. This isn't true, but it's what they believe.
The part of cancel culture that's incredibly successful and that never ends is that - defining someone by that Bad Thing they did and making it so they can never escape having it associated with their name. As can be seen in this thread by user's archives, some people are celebrating Lindsay's withdrawal because they've spent all this time defining her as 'Lindsay Ellis, who was racist to Asians'. That's not why the Farms are having fun with it, though. We're having fun with it because Lindsay has been a very vocal contributor to defining people by a Bad Thing and trying to make that define them, and yet not only is she appalled when it happens to her, she kept doing it even as she knew what it felt like, she doesn't see herself as ever being part of the problem, and she can't even correctly identify the vast majority of people ruining her life aren't nebulous 'wealthy straight white cis men', but very specific people, some she used to call friends, deeply involved in a cultural attempt to make mob justice morally acceptable under the guise of 'accountability, equity and justice'.
Let's assume she's genuine and not just on a bender. Will she be able to have her patreon up without doing anything to warrant it? Obviously people like Spoony and Lowtax did that for years, but they never had more than a hundred bucks or so coming their way and weren't important enough for the site to care about. If she really does fuck all for several months while raking in the money of well over 10k people, will the site have to enforce its own rules on inactivity or has it gotten to Facebook levels of ignoring its own rules?
Only “content creators” are entitled and privileged enough to be able to quit their jobs and get a raise in their paychecks. How anyone can ever pretend any of them are “down to earth” or “genuine” is beyond me
I’m not surprised and I’m not upset. I forget what the one video I watched with her in it was called, but it was before the “cancelling”, and even then, she was saying in an interview that she did YouTube for the money and it wasn’t intrinsically rewarding or furfilling in any way. I couldn’t finish the video because of how soulless it was and how resentful she acted about making it. Why (unironically) watch someone who hates what they’re doing? It’s pathetic.
It feels attention seeking to not mention that this was brewing long before the canceling. She has to put the reason on all of her attackers and Tramua (TM) instead of just saying hey- I don’t like doing this, I haven’t liked doing this for years, and I’m going to find something I like doing. I’d have so much more respect for that.
There’s nothing bad about this. Hope she lives a good life and actually stays away, lol.
I may have already said this, but I used to like Lindsay back when she was the Nostalgia Chick. She had some interesting points and an Ender's Game Movie review video from 2012 (which I think she and her followers could use a re-watching of) where she talks about how ridiculous Godwin's Law is. She was also the first to lampoon "storylines" that were popular in reviews at the time, which helped put a damper on them.
It should be that modern Lindsay should look back on past Lindsay and laugh. Instead if past Lindsay saw the future of a group she were a part of, she'd be the one laughing it up.
No, Hardcovers are the premium product, and despite being more expensive to produce, authors and publishers both make more off their sales.
Ebooks are... complicated. No publisher wants to reveal their hand on how many are sold, because authors would demand more royalties since there isn't a production side of things. Thing is, a few rare exceptions aside - hell the only big publisher I know of where more than half of their sales are digital is Baen, its the foundation of most small presses now - most publishers sell more hard copies than they do digital ones. IE, if its a flop in book stores, don't expect Kindle and Audible to save it.
Andy Weir is a phenomenally talented author, I happen to be a big fan myself. Absolutely give him a try... and if you like him, I can recommend others.
I had the hardcover question because these numbers indicate that most authors sell more hardcovers than paperbacks, which is not what I expected? Wouldn't you expect a premium product to sell less?
Obviously people like Spoony and Lowtax did that for years, but they never had more than a hundred bucks or so coming their way and weren't important enough for the site to care about.
That's not true, though. At its height, Low-T's Patreon was getting over $15,000 a month, and before he completely went off a cliff and got canceled en masse, he was getting almost $8,500.
I had the hardcover question because these numbers indicate that most authors sell more hardcovers than paperbacks, which is not what I expected? Wouldn't you expect a premium product to sell less?
It probably has something to do with the people who actually buy books. They're pretty much all dedicated readers and usually writers and therefore are happy to get the premium product.
Yet, for all the superfluous bullshit that is what she is and always will be. A mean spirited and poorly bred Appalachian who for all the intellectual and woke posturing still kept the ethics and mean spirited ways of her meth cooking kin. It will never leave her because it's hammered into every fibre of her being and it is plain to see for anyone without a low self esteem and an IQ above 90.
Look, Lindsay doesn't feel that it's hypocritical to participate in cancel culture after having experienced it herself because everyone was Wrong About Her and she's Right About Other People. She's not against cancel culture per se, she's against it being applied to her because She Wasn't Racist, Really. She's so myopic that she doesn't see that many similarly cancelled people feel the same about their own gaffes. Or if she does understand that, it still doesn't matter because the majority of them Really Were Racist and anyway who cares, they're all privileged white cis men women so they deserve whatever hell they get anyway because in the end, they're all at least a little "problematic." But this doesn't apply to her, because ... she's a good person! Her tweet was being willfully misread!!! This is a rare occurrence, truly!!! Most people who are cancelled are probably cancelled for good reasons ... right? Right???
I watch a Let's Play channel called Oneyplays and they make fun of Nostalgia Critic constantly, Doug was alerted on a stream to their content and now he's one of their fans. He even signed a drawing of the Oneyplays guys for them.
Critic has made some shit choices but I am convinced he's a decent person
Even all the Channel Awesome drama never implicated him personally in anything worse than being incredibly naive and trusting in the wrong people. If there was anything actually bad that could’ve been said about him by the people closest to him, it would’ve come out already.
I have a theory as to why wealthy, popular white women act like victims.
It's not because they don't know about the multitudes of people who have it worse.
They're well aware- and so are many white men. White men (who have the wealth/power/privilege) have been conditioned to want to rescue the underprivileged and put-upon women, and the smart white men realize that throughout the world, there are plenty of third-world countries where unspeakably abhorrent treatment of women is still the norm. Plus quite a few white men prefer the idea of marrying them over their women who already have everything (more than reciprocated by the women of color in less privileged countries). Because of this, a certain subsect of opportunistic white women on the political left realize they've lost many of their preferred white men (that they feel entitled to) so they use money, media and social capital to make a big show about how they're the most oppressed people ever and you should constantly give them money, listen to lectures, and defend them for nothing in return, aimed at gullible men.
I watch a Let's Play channel called Oneyplays and they make fun of Nostalgia Critic constantly, Doug was alerted on a stream to their content and now he's one of their fans. He even signed a drawing of the Oneyplays guys for them.
Critic has made some shit choices but I am convinced he's a decent person
I remember when Linkara had the exact opposite reaction to their content. He heard that they made jokes about him occasionally, and blew it completely out of proportion.
either way I see what you're saying but I don't agree that the conversation on all her videos is about her controversy. She has a ton of public support.
I'm pretty sure a lot of you guys are falling for her act.
