A Native American Christmas Blessing

[Miss Misery]

I really don't know enough about any of the prophesies to speak to them

But also...

The Anishinabe grandmothers say we have passed the fork in the road and the seventh council fire has been lit. The Lakota warriors are leading the demand for to give the land back to it's indigenous tenants invoking the spirit of Crazy Horse, declaring the seventh generation uprising to be now and there has been a significant amount of land given back to it's original people in the past few years.

So which is it: you can't speak to the so-called prophecies or you CAN speak of Anishinaabe grandmothers and Lakota warriors directly in correlation with said prophecy?

Once again...

this is not only degrading to Indian people, it’s downright delusional behaviour on the part of the instant experts Tommie Wasserberg who think they’ve she's got all the answers before they she even hears the questions

 

[Owlflaps]

You insult yourselves demeaning me by calling me the things you call me, obviously ignorant of any true facts about me.

Yes, Thomas. We're clearly the ones who are insulting ourselves when we call you out on being a dog-raping, child-diddling, fake Native American.

I don't speak over any elders or youngers speaking clearly and coherently according to the core principles as I understand them, but amplify their words. I am totally not shy about calling bullshit on any racist punk crap.

"I don't CARE if you're indigenous person with facts! If you don't agree with me, you're a racist NAZI!" -Thomas J Wasserberg, slackativist.

 

[Positron]

you're going to have to work extra hard to even get neg rep out of me in the future, angry racist asshole calling himself native.

If you are convinced that we have hardly tainted your reputation, then what is your grounds for suing us?

 

[Montalbane]

Killed yourself yet?

 

[Mellow Malevolent]

Here's some prophecy for you, Thomas. Given your "clan", you should worry about it a bit more than your other made up ones.

דברים כב:ה לֹא יִהְיֶה כְלִי גֶבֶר עַל אִשָּׁה וְלֹא יִלְבַּשׁ גֶּבֶר שִׂמְלַת אִשָּׁה כִּי תוֹעֲבַת יְ-הוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ כָּל עֹשֵׂה אֵלֶּה.

"There shall be no man’s item on a woman, and a man shall not wear a woman’s garment, for anyone who does these things is abhorrent to YHWH your God."

 

[Miss Tommie Jayne Wasserberg]

Killed yourself yet?

Funny you should ask. I wrote about that this morning. I'm afraid if you want me dead, you're going to need to kill me yourself or hire somebody to do it for you.

Whenever you don't like something a Native has to say you immediately try to denigrate and negate them. Can you form an argument without resorting to such shameful tactics?

You've challenged and denied my family and my heritage. Please prove which ancestors of yours were victims of the pogroms.

Go look up the immigration records of Julius Wasserberg. There were 2 more children, Tressa and my grandfather , Allen.

I'm not challenging anybody's blood here. I'm challenging your full of shit racist aggression as being contrary to the best practices being advocated by indigenous leaders all over the world today.

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Who is "We"? Who are "you and yours"? Why is it that whenever anyone asks you about what actions you have personally taken, you always fall back on these "we" claims like you're part of an organization. I'm not asking what your friends did, I'm asking what you did. What material support did you provide? Where were you when your "friends" were being sprayed with chemicals?

What are you personally doing to build communities? What have you done since, say, 2016?



I don't think you've actually stood with anyone Tom. I think you think claiming allyship with those people online counts as being there. That's actually part of what makes you as pathetic as you are. You seem to be doing what I can only describe as "stolen indigenous valour".

All of your prophecies are also white garbage. That includes the 7th generation one, which is again, stupid white hippy garbage misinterpreting indigenous ideas.

all of your anger and vitriol just paints you as full of shit, reactionary asshole children making a lot of wild claims. I understand the downside of AIM very well, but I'll not tolerate the kind of bad mouthing you're all doing of Leonard or Clyde Bellacourt. I never met any of the others and i never even heard of John Sugar. I do have a fair bit of eyewitness accounts from people about quite a bit of bad shit AIM did from people like Anna James (Yankton Four) and Crow Dog's nephew, Ernie Running. Leonard Peltier is probably safer in the joint than out because of Annie Mae's family.

I haven't been anywhere but online and to some local demonstrations since 1999, but I have associations with numerous people that predate the internet. Many of the old school rainbow hippies who are truly trying to walk the Red Road are following Arvol Looking Horse, Phil Lane, Jr. and Oren Lyons right now. Bad mouth those three or grandmothers like Winona LaDuke, Waniya Locke or Linda Black Elk and really show me how full of shit you are.
When my friends were being sprayed by chemicals in Standing Rock, I was in the streets in Tucson demonstrating as well as sharing a lot of media coming out of the camp online into a lot of big groups. I have four green indigenous community development projects on board right now while you nasty children snarl at me.

Thomas has to use rather famous people as his go to Native Americans. Do you think he actually knows anyone? Fuck, I was amazed people here knew who Sugar was. You wont be seeing him in any articles or even a Wikipedia article anytime soon. Why can't he name anyone still alive and without a rap sheet a mile long? At least people like Dzesus are still around making music and still talking about all of the crap his people have to go through. Though he should be more like the youth in Saskatchewan who are actually trying to heal their communities instead of just cutting the wounds deeper.

i just did name a bunch of living people without a rap sheet a mile long. I've buried two friends in the past two years, Ferguson Plain, and Ojibwe speaker and Joseph Blackcoyote, an Apache artist. I'm good friends with Dee Nighthawk Robinson, a Cherokee author.

I definitely have no knowledge of prominent Canadian first nations activists. My experience has been almost exclusively with native Americans from the Great Lakes, Plains and Southwestern regions. I didn't find any native musicians named Dzesus anywhere. "John Sugar" Canadian First Nations activist yielded several interesting articles, but I'm finding no mention of him.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Funny you should ask. I wrote about that this morning. I'm afraid if you want me dead, you're going to need to kill me yourself or hire somebody to do it for you.

Why would any of us have to do that when you're doing a fine enough job on your own?

i just did name a bunch of living people without a rap sheet a mile long. I've buried two friends in the past two years, Ferguson Plain, and Ojibwe speaker and Joseph Blackcoyote, an Apache artist. I'm good friends with Dee Nighthawk Robinson, a Cherokee author.

I definitely have no knowledge of prominent Canadian first nations activists. My experience has been almost exclusively with native Americans from the Great Lakes, Plains and Southwestern regions. I didn't find any native musicians named Dzesus anywhere. "John Sugar" Canadian First Nations activist yielded several interesting articles, but I'm finding no mention of him.

Prove it.

Also Dzesus has a wiki page so obviously you're shit at using a search engine. John Sugar is a common name in Saskatchewan. Dzesus is from Calgary. Really shows how little you know about the people you profess to be a part of.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

I haven't been anywhere but online and to some local demonstrations since 1999, but I have associations with numerous people that predate the internet.

So you’ve done nothing for nearly a quarter of a century? You won’t survive the earth changes.

 

[BlueArmedDevil]

associations with numerous people that predate the internet.

What like NAMBLA?

 

[Mellow Malevolent]

So, what I'm getting is that between 1985 and 1999, Tom got all hippied up and orbited around AIM movements as a druggie burnout in the Southwest. Then he settled in Tuscon to sell his snake oil magic rocks and hasn't done more than go to a few local marches/protests since then. His "support" for the Dakota Access Pipeline was, from googling, about 150 people chanting outside Bank of America, so no material support at all.

Coasting on the 14 or so years he spent sort of next to actual indigenous people. Oh, and chatting with people online, like his friend the Cherokee Prince.

 

[Miss Tommie Jayne Wasserberg]

Why would any of us have to do that when you're doing a fine enough job on your own?

Prove it.

Also Dzesus has a wiki page so obviously you're shit at using a search engine. John Sugar is a common name in Saskatchewan. Dzesus is from Calgary. Really shows how little you know about the people you profess to be a part of.

I'm American and not Canadian. I'm also not going to do your research for you. document your own bullshit, maggot.

So, what I'm getting is that between 1985 and 1999, Tom got all hippied up and orbited around AIM movements as a druggie burnout in the Southwest. Then he settled in Tuscon to sell your snake oil magic rocks and hasn't done more than go to a few local marches/protests since then. His "support" for the Dakota Access Pipeline was, from googling, about 150 people chanting outside Bank of America, so no material support at all.

Coasting on the 14 or so years he spent sort of next to actual indigenous people. Oh, and chatting with people online, like his friend the Cherokee Prince.

what you're getting is the full of shit , delusional asshole version, fuckwit. I was traveling in a big triangle in working flea markets, street fairs and music festivals, tabling political materials.

i don't sell "magic rocks" , either, you fucking incredibly shitty example of an indigenous advocate. I sell natural stone, animal parts, herbs, resins and oils people are seeking for their spiritual practices.

 

[BlueArmedDevil]

Then he settled in Tuscon to sell your snake oil magic rocks and hasn't done more than go to a few local marches/protests since then.

He settled in Teaxs before making himself persona non grata among the local magic rock scene by ripping off his fellow hucksters, then moved to Tucson.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

So, what I'm getting is that between 1985 and 1999, Tom got all hippied up and orbited around AIM movements as a druggie burnout in the Southwest. Then he settled in Tuscon to sell your snake oil magic rocks and hasn't done more than go to a few local marches/protests since then. His "support" for the Dakota Access Pipeline was, from googling, about 150 people chanting outside Bank of America, so no material support at all.

Coasting on the 14 or so years he spent sort of next to actual indigenous people. Oh, and chatting with people online, like his friend the Cherokee Prince.

I guess he was too busy getting high and dumpster diving than helping out "his people" during the Oka Crisis.

 

[BlueArmedDevil]

I sell natural stone, animal parts, herbs, resins and oils people are seeking for their spiritual practices.

So Magic rocks, bones, herbs, spices and oils.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

I'm American and not Canadian. I'm also not going to do your research for you. document your own bullshit, maggot.

I don't have look up people for you when you profess to be Native American. You're just upset you have to lie about the people you know. We don't have to. By the way, First Nations/ Native American's can travel freely across the border. There is no distinction between them. We use such names because it's what they want to be called here since unlike you, we're not racist.

i don't sell "magic rocks" , either, you fucking incredibly shitty example of an indigenous advocate. I sell natural stone, animal parts, herbs, resins and oils people are seeking for their spiritual practices.

In other words you sell trash.

 

[Mellow Malevolent]

i don't sell "magic rocks" , either, you fucking incredibly shitty example of an indigenous advocate. I sell natural stone, animal parts, herbs, resins and oils people are seeking for their spiritual practices.

You said you sold stones to "energy workers". So yes, you sell magic rocks, especially since crystal healing is a modern new age practice with at best distant connections to ancient Greek superstition. It's definitely not attested to in North American indigenous spirituality!

Which makes sense because most of the crystals you source aren't even from North America.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Has anyone told Tommie that Native Americans were hundreds of tribes of people all with their own separate customs and rituals? So that calling this a ‘Native American Christmas’ is violently offense and shallow? Because it is.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

You said you sold stones to "energy workers". So yes, you sell magic rocks, especially since crystal healing is a modern new age practice with at best distant connections to ancient Greek superstition. It's definitely not attested to in North American indigenous spirituality!

Which makes sense because most of the crystals you source aren't even from North America.

Usually herbs have more importance to Native American ceremonies. Crystals rarely do. Some however were seen as important gifts. Such as turquoise. I can tell that for instance Thomas here doesn't know what "smudging" is. Some rocks were mixed in with their pottery. Granite was probably of the more important things to them since it's a versatile material. Majority of what white people think of their practices are just wrong because they place their own beliefs into theirs, changing the meaning.

 

[RadioactiveMonkeyMan]

Go look up the immigration records of Julius Wasserberg. There were 2 more children, Tressa and my grandfather , Allen.

I'm not challenging anybody's blood here. I'm challenging your full of shit racist aggression as being contrary to the best practices being advocated by indigenous leaders all over the world today.

So you finally admit you're an immigrant, and thus a colonizer. Was that really that hard?

But you have! You've implied we're pretendians, and called us apples, red men, and various other racial slurs. You've said that we're probably not real indigenous people and you've discounted our opinions on OUR OWN FUCKIN' CULTURE.

@Anonymus Fluhre

Usually herbs have more importance to Native American ceremonies. Crystals rarely do. Some however were seen as important gifts. Such as turquoise. I can tell that for instance Thomas here doesn't know what "smudging" is. Some rocks were mixed in with their pottery. Granite was probably of the more important things to them since it's a versatile material. Majority of what white people think of their practices are just wrong because they place their own beliefs into theirs, changing the meaning.

Obsidian was also considered a highly valuable material and was an extremely generous gift, as well as flint, chert, and jasper. They were used to make tools, obviously. Not for any magic purposes. In fact, we used them to kill stuff.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Has anyone told Tommie that Native Americans were hundreds of tribes of people all with their own separate customs and rituals? So that calling this a ‘Native American Christmas’ is violently offense and shallow? Because it is.

There are a lot of things Thomas doesn't understand though. There are things he thinks he understands.