US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[pwnest injun]

I am so tired of people parroting the line "the vaccine makes covid less severe." -- without evidence! I don't even argue with these people, it's pointless. I just hear cope. Your precious vaccine didn't do shit, the narrative was false, and all you have left is cope.

There's some evidence that it does. Specifically the T8 cells that are produced in response to the RNA vaccines will still work, but the T4 ones won't and your body will waste time producing more of them. Really, it's a wash, and it doesn't actually matter because Omicron's a fukkin cold.

 

[King Dead]

Its largely inference from viewing the moves of the players involved and checking against the normal processes of politics. Sadly, no singular source to point to here.


This all is good analysis, and is much the same conclusion I have come to and is part of the aforementioned inference. If the Democrats had the political capital, and actual capital, they would normally rely upon in any normal series of events they -would- have a way out. Multiple, in fact.


But by all appearances, they do not. Which means something is changed, something is off. Then you backtrack through, see where they spent things, continue to piece together the political events and necessities, and come to the conclusion "They are flat broke".

I'm glad I'm not completely crazy then, or not yet anyway. I can say for a fact I wouldn't be able to piece nearly as much of this together without the farms cataloging a metric fuckton of data from the start of all this. So many things discussed here that I never hear anywhere else, or months later if I do.

You bring up something that I hadn't considered and hope you could elaborate on. I assumed the reason the CDC (and the feds in general, I guess) wasn't changing their messaging to start winding down the coof hysteria was because they were afraid of the various forces that would be against it (the true believers, the federal dictators, Big Pharma) and, not wanting to be caught with their pants down if the coof spikes again, decided to continue down their existing middle-of-the-road stance. You suggest that it's because the Democrats don't have the capital to call in to rein in said forces and get out of the mess they've gotten themselves into. Can you offer some specific cases of what that might have looked like if they did?

 

[Gehenna]

I'm glad I'm not completely crazy then, or not yet anyway. I can say for a fact I wouldn't be able to piece nearly as much of this together without the farms cataloging a metric fuckton of data from the start of all this. So many things discussed here that I never hear anywhere else, or months later if I do.

You bring up something that I hadn't considered and hope you could elaborate on. I assumed the reason the CDC (and the feds in general, I guess) wasn't changing their messaging to start winding down the coof hysteria was because they were afraid of the various forces that would be against it (the true believers, the federal dictators, Big Pharma) and, not wanting to be caught with their pants down if the coof spikes again, decided to continue down their existing middle-of-the-road stance. You suggest that it's because the Democrats don't have the capital to call in to rein in said forces and get out of the mess they've gotten themselves into. Can you offer some specific cases of what that might have looked like if they did?

This is a bit complicated to answer, so let me roll back a bit first and provide some baseline info.

It is important to first acknowledge that a lot of internationalist forces saw Covid-19 as their ticket to finally being able to actually push their agenda. Most political forces in the world are aware we are right on the cusp of a pendulum swing, and it will be swinging away from internationalism and towards nationalism. They were, simply put, running out of time. Covid-19 to them was a godsend. A chance to do some authoritarian crackdowns, seed power into places that were looking sketchy, and have the populace thank them for it. This plays into why they pushed so damn hard for covid hysteria on an international level.

Now, this isn't the only reason. Each country has its own multifaceted reasons for why it was pushed. But really, all of it comes down to opportunism. A global crisis of unprecedented scale And you should never let a good crisis go to waste.


With this in mind, let us look back at your question. What are examples of what they could have done if they had the power? Well, on a political capital side it would have been a lot easier to pass their bills. Paying off old debts, new debts, and setting the stage for the people to see they are doing something. That is very important here. If the populace believed they were actually doing something, they'd go along with a climb-down the narrative. For example, the infrastructure bill they wanted to pass would have included multiple small payouts to hospitals and Pfizer itself. These would be trumpeted as having an outsized impact on Covid-19, and thus not only was the government doing well it was doing better than expected.

Now make a couple of dozen examples of that. Now you have a populace on either end of the Covid situation getting together and happy that things are climbing down. The skeptics happy it is finally coming to end and breathing a sigh of relief and the restrictions loosen. The Covidian's happy to know the government worked and all the news is getting good. Any issues of new variants would be quietly swept under the rug or require basic things like boosters, sold now under the guise of "See how well we were doing? Just continue to trust us, its going well!".

Positive messages always sell better, but must be backed by something. And with that, just having the capital to pass their infrastructure bill, you have a way to climb down and reap -reward- for it.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

NATO ‘never promised’ not to expand, US claims

NATO has never promised not to admit new members, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken claimed on Friday, labelling Russia’s demands of the bloc inadmissible. However, long-declassified Western documents suggest otherwise.

www.rt.com

Ok so while this thread is mostly focused on domestic issues, are we gonna talk about this? We have Biden's SoS bullshitting and playing word games about NATO when there are documents, public documents and assurances, that NATO would not expand a)Eastward past Germany, b)next to Russia.

This is kinda serious and the kind of thing that could legitimately lead to WW3. Russia's response to Kazakhstan indicates they're done letting glowies fuck around in their neighborhood. With China openly threatening Taiwan this seems like a matter of time before the global powers 2 and 3 decide the fucking of 1 needs to be public.

Makes me wonder if the dems would still cry "muh capitol" if such a thing comes to fruition.

 

[The Ugly One]

And while they double down, the CDC is concurrently backing down, vainly trying to make concessions in a mixture of attempting to appease the public and wind down Covid. 2 years have passed and the CDC is only NOW finally willing to begin tallying how many people died with Covid and not of Covid. I don't know exactly how much the death toll would be reduced if they removed 'with Covid' deaths, but it's looking to be a very big chunk. If the CDC think this pussyfooting isn't just making things worse for them, though, they are not just evil but also fucking stupid.

What could make things bad for the CDC? They're bureaucrats. They can't be fired. Congress won't cut their budget. They're part of the unelected branch of government, the administrative state, that isn't in any way accountable to the public.

British coal was in a geologically shitty place to mine that caused the labor price to inflate, it cost more to mine it than it did to sell it. It basically was a huge welfare sponge that bled everything else dry. Thatcher had to pick up the can that had been kicked down the road since the 50’s.

Maggie the Milk Thief was necessary due to other parties basically doing nothing to stop unions and social welfare from becoming more of a tumor than they were. It was saving the budget where they could.

Not unlike how people alternately blame Reagan or Volcker for the "deliberate 1980s recession designed to destroy the working class." We had double-digit inflation due to both parties kicking the can down the road since the 1960s, and the choices were either watch the dollar melt down and become worthless, and have a crippling economic depression, or have a less crippling, but fairly severe recession. Hey, that sounds familiar!

 

[Bolo]

If the populace believed they were actually doing something, they'd go along with a climb-down the narrative. For example, the infrastructure bill they wanted to pass would have included multiple small payouts to hospitals and Pfizer itself. These would be trumpeted as having an outsized impact on Covid-19, and thus not only was the government doing well it was doing better than expected.

Yeah, but I was under the impression that the populous was in favour of Biden in the pandemic affair, he was indeed quite popular at the start of his mandate wasn't he?

That is why I was suprised to see the biden adm and the mainstream media in general making such a bid deal about the delta variant. If the big media outlets at their side, and the opposition discredited after being blamed for all the covid woes, it would be easy for the white House to treat these new covid variants as just a lesser coof and make sure everything is A-ok and life is back to normal, and the true believers would say amen.

But they didn't, they made even more histerical claims, started blaming people over contamination in a country that has more than 70% of its people vaccinated, got desperate, tried to find a "win" anywhere and made what has to be the biggest political disaster of the last 20 year, and now are threatening people with a "winter of death", and now it seems the Biden adm is just lost, at everything.

And I just can't understand why they didn't go with the positive message to begin with, instead they went with panic, why? to keep power?

 

[potato fan]

I'll echo what I said in the Squad thread about AOC getting COVID. I don't get the people dancing on her metaphorical grave as if now everyone HAS to admit that the left's response has been wrong. It's going to be the exact opposite and will give them a chance to double down on the hysteria through a retarded combination of:

• Even the vaxxed and boosted are vulnerable so we need to lock down again
• She probably got it from an unvaxxed chud, this is why we need the mandate
• Everyone needs to get a fourth shot now
• Florida/DeSantis bad

everyone will feel like their side just got validated
vaxxers will be more convinced that anti-vaxxers are evil plague spreaders
anti-vaxxers will be more convinced that te jab is useless
anti-AOC people will have another thing to point out her hypocrisy
pro-AOC people will rally around her even more

in the end everyone will get more angery at the other side. Just as the jews want.

 

[Gehenna]

Yeah, but I was under the impression that the populous was in favour of Biden in the pandemic affair, he was indeed quite popular at the start of his mandate wasn't he?

That is why I was suprised to see the biden adm and the mainstream media in general making such a bid deal about the delta variant. If the big media outlets at their side, and the opposition discredited after being blamed for all the covid woes, it would be easy for the white House to treat these new covid variants as just a lesser coof and make sure everything is A-ok and life is back to normal, and the true believers would say amen.

But they didn't, they made even more histerical claims, started blaming people over contamination in a country that has more than 70% of its people vaccinated, got desperate, tried to find a "win" anywhere and made what has to be the biggest political disaster of the last 20 year, and now are threatening people with a "winter of death", and now it seems the Biden adm is just lost, at everything.

And I just can't understand why they didn't go with the positive message to begin with, instead they went with panic, why? to keep power?

His popularity on covid was always misleading. And it ties into why they didn't go positive from the start.

How to put it.... alright! Say that you are renting a property, your landlord does nothing, the paint is peeling off, the roof sags, and you got cockroaches everywhere. Then, a new guy buys the property and promises to fix it up if you only give him time. He constantly makes noise about trying to help you and looks like he is trying to do... something. But it never gets done.


That is Biden's covid situation. The popularity was "At least he might do something about it" after much of the general populace was critical of Trump's handling of the issue.

It was never popularity for what he -was- doing, it was the popularity of what they -hoped- he'd do and is why his popularity has steadily decreased on the issue.


There is no meat here, no real policy. They couldn't go with a positive message from the start because they had to actually -do- something first. They had to spray for cockroaches or paint the walls.

 

[The Ugly One]

Yeah, but I was under the impression that the populous was in favour of Biden in the pandemic affair, he was indeed quite popular at the start of his mandate wasn't he?

That is why I was suprised to see the biden adm and the mainstream media in general making such a bid deal about the delta variant. If the big media outlets at their side, and the opposition discredited after being blamed for all the covid woes, it would be easy for the white House to treat these new covid variants as just a lesser coof and make sure everything is A-ok and life is back to normal, and the true believers would say amen.

But they didn't, they made even more histerical claims, started blaming people over contamination in a country that has more than 70% of its people vaccinated, got desperate, tried to find a "win" anywhere and made what has to be the biggest political disaster of the last 20 year, and now are threatening people with a "winter of death", and now it seems the Biden adm is just lost, at everything.

And I just can't understand why they didn't go with the positive message to begin with, instead they went with panic, why? to keep power?

They had stoked an artificial panic about COVID to make Orange Man look like a dangerous buffoon whose reckless, anti-science policy killed hundreds of thousands, and therefore whose reelection would certainly kill hundreds of thousands more. They even went as far as to stoke fear and hysteria about legitimate treatment measures and lines of research (including vaccines!) for no other reason than Orange Man said something about them. That was their main argument for throwing Trump out of office and electing a senile, corrupt dolt. Moreover, these people do get high on their own supply. They really did think they were going to come in and girlboss COVID to zero with the power of SCIENCE. Remember when the press would crow about cases in CA falling before they fell in FL or ND? That was back when they really did think Gavin Newsom's science-believing government was gonna put all those red state retards to shame. The Delta variant was the perfect opportunity to show everyone that their unswerving faith in SCIENCE could eradicate a highly virulent respiratory disease with a fast rate of mutation.

Oops, turns out that's impossible, just like they were warned at the beginning of the pandemic by people who actually know a bit of science.

 

[Disc]

With this in mind, let us look back at your question. What are examples of what they could have done if they had the power? Well, on a political capital side it would have been a lot easier to pass their bills. Paying off old debts, new debts, and setting the stage for the people to see they are doing something. That is very important here. If the populace believed they were actually doing something, they'd go along with a climb-down the narrative. For example, the infrastructure bill they wanted to pass would have included multiple small payouts to hospitals and Pfizer itself. These would be trumpeted as having an outsized impact on Covid-19, and thus not only was the government doing well it was doing better than expected.

Now make a couple of dozen examples of that. Now you have a populace on either end of the Covid situation getting together and happy that things are climbing down. The skeptics happy it is finally coming to end and breathing a sigh of relief and the restrictions loosen. The Covidian's happy to know the government worked and all the news is getting good. Any issues of new variants would be quietly swept under the rug or require basic things like boosters, sold now under the guise of "See how well we were doing? Just continue to trust us, its going well!".

Positive messages always sell better, but must be backed by something. And with that, just having the capital to pass their infrastructure bill, you have a way to climb down and reap -reward- for it.

His popularity on covid was always misleading. And it ties into why they didn't go positive from the start.

How to put it.... alright! Say that you are renting a property, your landlord does nothing, the paint is peeling off, the roof sags, and you got cockroaches everywhere. Then, a new guy buys the property and promises to fix it up if you only give him time. He constantly makes noise about trying to help you and looks like he is trying to do... something. But it never gets done.


That is Biden's covid situation. The popularity was "At least he might do something about it" after much of the general populace was critical of Trump's handling of the issue.

It was never popularity for what he -was- doing, it was the popularity of what they -hoped- he'd do and is why his popularity has steadily decreased on the issue.


There is no meat here, no real policy. They couldn't go with a positive message from the start because they had to actually -do- something first. They had to spray for cockroaches or paint the walls.

so... they need something they can pass and point to as the reason they did well to safely wind it down? They need a ...scapegoat for success?

There's a better way to say that but I won't find it at half past midnight

 

[Gehenna]

so... they need something they can pass and point to as the reason they did well to safely wind it down? They need a ...scapegoat for success?

There's a better way to say that but I won't find it at half past midnight

Needs to be a little more than just a scapegoat, needs to have some measurable and felt good for the populace. And needs to be a series of those.

 

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Needs to be a little more than just a scapegoat, needs to have some measurable and felt good for the populace. And needs to be a series of those.

Based Dilbert Merchant called this the "Good CEO Move." When a new guy comes in he HAS to do SOME change that makes everyone happy, even if it's a minor one, to set the tone for his administration and get the bonus goodwill.

Biden hasn't done that, in fact he's done the exact opposite of it, and the inertia of "anyone but Trump" is starting to run out. Wonder how dangerous this admin will get as the desperation sets in.

I also wonder if his rewinding of all the Trump changes, beyond just being sociopathic nuttery, was meant to be that "Good CEO Move." Was Biden mistakenly pandering to the wrong audience? I mean, they stole an election, so there's no real NEED to pander to the voters anymore... (Not really, but if they get that fortification in place...)

 

[RumblyTumbly]

Mark my words, when we really kick into election season in the fall, there will be a push for unvaccinated people to not be allowed to vote....you know, for everyone's safety.

Also, when Trump tries to run in 2024, there will be a movement to blame him for the vaccines that didn't work, and they will try to make us forget that they tried to ram them down our throats.

 

[Bolo]

His popularity on covid was always misleading. And it ties into why they didn't go positive from the start.

How to put it.... alright! Say that you are renting a property, your landlord does nothing, the paint is peeling off, the roof sags, and you got cockroaches everywhere. Then, a new guy buys the property and promises to fix it up if you only give him time. He constantly makes noise about trying to help you and looks like he is trying to do... something. But it never gets done.


That is Biden's covid situation. The popularity was "At least he might do something about it" after much of the general populace was critical of Trump's handling of the issue.

It was never popularity for what he -was- doing, it was the popularity of what they -hoped- he'd do and is why his popularity has steadily decreased on the issue.


There is no meat here, no real policy. They couldn't go with a positive message from the start because they had to actually -do- something first. They had to spray for cockroaches or paint the walls.

So, they kinda fucked themselves over right? Because by promising to get rid of a flu type of virus it would be easier to promise to turn the tides or stop the sun from rising.

Yeah, everybody knows the dems pounced on the covid issue to win the presidency, like you said, it was a godsend to them, but it turns out there is no policy, at least not a super authoritarian one, that can "solve" this problem.

Then again, if Biden didn'r run as the guy who would "shut down the virus", what else would people vote for him? To not be Orange man?

 

[Corn Flakes]

Yeah, everybody knows the dems pounced on the covid issue to win the presidency, like you said, it was a godsend to them, but it turns out there is no policy, at least not a super authoritarian one, that can "solve" this problem.

Don't worry, even super authoritarian policies aren't doing too good. Otherwise China would have had a handle on it long ago, and they're still locking down entire regions.

 

[verissimus]

Ridin With Biden

More like ridden with Biden.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

Mark my words, when we really kick into election season in the fall, there will be a push for unvaccinated people to not be allowed to vote....you know, for everyone's safety.

Also, when Trump tries to run in 2024, there will be a movement to blame him for the vaccines that didn't work, and they will try to make us forget that they tried to ram them down our throats.

You'll see some blue checkmarks call for it, but you'll never see any DNC high ups call for it. They like to characterize the unvaccinated as white trump fans but the reality is most are blacks.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

You'll see some blue checkmarks call for it, but you'll never see any DNC high ups call for it. They like to characterize the unvaccinated as white trump fans but the reality is most are blacks.

Oh yeah, it won't actually go anywhere because the higher ups aren't that stupid, but it'll have an online ground swelling, and I can envision someone as stupid as AOC or a couple of media talking heads fight for it.

 

[Sithis]

Mark my words, when we really kick into election season in the fall, there will be a push for unvaccinated people to not be allowed to vote....you know, for everyone's safety.

Also, when Trump tries to run in 2024, there will be a movement to blame him for the vaccines that didn't work, and they will try to make us forget that they tried to ram them down our throats.

My guess is that the only reason they haven't already tried this is because blacks are one of the lowest jabbed populations. Say what you want but at least some of them are savvy enough to not immediately trust gubbament jabs after the syphilis experiments

Edit - sniped lol

 

[Some Badger]

Mark my words, when we really kick into election season in the fall, there will be a push for unvaccinated people to not be allowed to vote....you know, for everyone's safety.

There were polling places during the Virginia election this past November that tried to turn away people who weren’t wearing masks, but the election commissioner (whose name escapes me but I’m not a Virginian anyway) put a stop to that nonsense pretty quickly. If they can’t force you to mask, they probably can’t force you to jab, and curbside/remote voting is not considered a viable alternative by the standards of most, if not all state election commissions.