Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

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just a lil science experiment to see how big a knife olly gonna be going under .
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just a lil extra bonus even more out of the realms of possibility, but just funny to see how much he'd actually have to be somehow shrunk in order to look like a preeeeetty woman

*excuse the shitness Luvs but I think it adds to the hilarity and honestly chube aint more than 8 mins of my time*

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(even the MS paint nature of it drives home how impossible the male troon's task is- take from the chin and you need to take from the fivehead, take from there and you've a MASSIVE nose - then the neck looks gigantic and even if you take from all that, basically shaving out all of your swalling and speaking equiptment; the sheer size of the actual cranium..
welp.
-honestly MS paint should be as vital a part of troons research, as is a quick glance at the wall to wall horror-show of r/phallo and r/transgendersurgeries

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-and YES, i know we've done this before, but actually, rather generously we did it with his glamour shots, not honest unedited phone snaps.
Troons probably run themselves through some face beautification app and think, cool! I'll be snatched!

its a good analogy actually- no Chinese app developers are gonna be working on it for you- you've got to see what its like being the person actually doing it, rather than surrendering all authority to others; IRL, the surgeon

@Sevenatenine wtf that video has ruined my life, our accent is idiotic lmao. I always thought it was the one true accent and everyone elses was off.
and also lol that she looks like the edited to comical extremity, unattainably femininely proportioned BONUS joke picture of olly
 
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The 'Low Skill work' talking point has been going around recently and its pretty obnoxious because the idea of low skill work is not meant to be a value judgement that people who engage in that type of work are somehow lesser, its meant to be a materialist understanding of the nature of labour divisions that effect the majority of the working class.

Ironically, the people who are making a big song and dance about how you shouldn't say anybody is engaging in low skill labour are being anti-marxist because Marx was very aware of the importance and ramifications of low skilled labour in his theories, and didn't avoid describing it as such. One of the big things that Marx talked about is the way in which technological advances have continually reduced the overall need for high skilled labour since things that previously took a lot of time and experience to perfect, for example weaving, could instead be offloaded onto an industrial machine where the skill requirement of the individual worker was hugely reduced. In effect the workers themselves were pushed towards behaving in a more machine like manner where they were often doing repetitive and simple tasks in a factory where the aggregate of these tasks could produce something far more complex than the workers would have been capable of doing individually without a huge amount of training and experience, this reached its peak with the development of the assembly line in the early 20th century where extremely complex products like cars could be produced by people who would have absolutely no hope of making a car on their own as an individual, but can as part of the assembly process with many other workers doing relatively simple tasks.

Marx pointed out that the overall result of this was that capitalist production could result in considerable amounts of innovation and huge increases in overall production compared to older methods, but at the same time it was highly likely to reduce the economic power and leverage of the average worker, and could kick skilled workers down the ladder since their particular abilities were no longer difficult to reproduce and in high demand, reducing their ability to do things like demand fair recompense for their labour, instead the balance of power was shifted in favour of the owners of capital like property, machines, land, factories and other things that made for industrial society who reaped far larger returns because of their control of these things than the workers they employed, who, because they partook in unskilled work, were highly expendable and could be replaced easily, seriously damaging their negotiating power.

The last bit is crucial, its why a proper Marxist would scoff at this notion of declaring everybody high skilled workers just to make them feel good. The term is meant to be an objective recognition of reality, if you can be let go and replaced with somebody else with ease by your employer because your job has a large pool of people to draw upon and just about anybody can be easily trained up to occupy your role you are unskilled compared to a job where the exact opposite is the case, it does not matter how you dress it up.

This is all very true (and lays out better than any BreadTube video essay ever would the reason why all modern capitalists are just Marxists, but using Marx as a guidebook for exploitation of their capital advantage, instead of as a view of history and worker empowerment or whatever). Frankly, regardless of whether you cheer or boo what Marx pointed out...he was right! And capitalist "heroes" know that more than anyone.

But the last paragraph quoted above is wrong. And wrong in a way that really gets to the core of why Olly is a joke, politically and as a "trans" person.

"Low-skilled" workers, in the ultimate resolution of the modern Capital-centric economy, are people that need to exist, but only to do the worst and most mundane jobs. The thing is, the "low-skilled" have the least to lose. And while their jobs could (in theory) be done by anybody, by design...nobody wants to do them, and so they are wage-covertly in the most demand. Nobody in the owning-class would do those jobs, unless forced into it to survive. The owners have no real power over the people that do those jobs, except within a social structure that can be overturned in a day, as these people are treated like cogs and commodities, interchangeable, but as we've seen there's no slack in the upper-wage level to take these jobs even when wages go up — because the jobs suck and are actually "skilled" in terms of dealing with the absolute shit that comes with them.

Why does this concern Olly? Because he is a lazy elite owner-class SOB, who can't even conceive of being the sort of honest grassroots activist or ironic working comedian to make his mission/grift work long-term. He is only playing his male version of a female character as a means to get clout and gain paypigs, the modern Patreon version of Mrs. Doubtfire, to get his kids (i.e. his elite birthright) returned to him. Olly will NEVER bother with the mundane jobs of making good arguments, wearing well-fitting clothing , or being even remotely human (male or female).

The "real" job of being a spokesperson for the trans community is a shitty one, and for any true believer in that position, it'd be hard work. No one of means, like Olly, wants that burden. He stood around watching that weird "die-in" as a spectator for that reason -- he's a flown-in manager, not a worker, in the trans scene. "Unskilled" workers are very skilled at doing jobs no one else wants to do, for wages no one else will...and they are necessary jobs. Olly doesn't get that, because Olly doesn't get Marx...and neither will society until it's too late.
 
lmao at Birds of a feather lady getting lumped in with those dudes.
the end credits of that used to make me cry when i was kid, every single time
Ha, as I was reading the preceding posts I had her in mind as someone who's overweight, but really pretty.
And for the themetune, same! When it finished I always used to run off to "use the bathroom" to avoid it!
 
notice the subtle change of his language-
we’ve gone from
“Stupid Tranny Play, coming 2022!’
to
‘stage play which *could* be performed..’

looks like the transphobic and/or ~discerning about not having shit on their stage~ theatre programming directors aren’t biting.
also lol, i’ve just realised that’s why he keeps blathering on about it. he’s fishing for someone to actually take him up on it, and no one has yet.
that makes it actually kind of tragic normal, as well as just tragicomic
I am constantly fascinated by the intersection of trannies must be centered and celebrated at all times and questioning them is akin to murder and the fact that on an individual level no one can actually stand trannies, so I am dying to know what has been going on behind the scenes. I imagine that the latter is winning out in Olly's case and he is seething about it.
 
Yeah, well jeal of that garden.

immediate impulse, like all pikeys who end up getting a council house with a bigger than usual garden, is that I would keep a horse in it. This can frequently be seen in dustbin ex pit towns in the north east like Ashington and county Durham.
The upperest crust and the lower, shake hands across the class barriers on issues such as: not giving a fuck, criminality, and love of horses.

its the grasping, climbing, self conscious boring middle-class bastards that are truly the unbearables in this country. When you're on the bottom or the top you know there's not really a danger of you going anywhere.
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Makes me think of Keeping Up Appearances - Mrs Bucket wants so much to fit in with the upper class people, but they invariably much prefer her sisters and brother-in-law, who are very "common" and happy with it!
 
I am constantly fascinated by the intersection of trannies must be centered and celebrated at all times and questioning them is akin to murder and the fact that on an individual level no one can actually stand trannies, so I am dying to know what has been going on behind the scenes. I imagine that the latter is winning out in Olly's case and he is seething about it.
glancing over his old twitter account, he seemed to be always directing his tweets at his random ‘friends’ who were theatre directors or stage actors - so you would think he’d have loads of contacts at least for starters?
unless of course, he is awful and they have nothing at all to do with him now and can see through this bullshit.

it’s always so telling when someone has nothing to do with their old social circles. especially someone like Olly.
probably ‘didn’t quite’ rape his way through every female member of the circle passed out at a party, over about two years.
The profile picture on the old account actually screams it. in fact so does his new one.
cheer him spaying himself

@narcissistic injury literally same it’s going to be fucking hilarious i am genuinely looking forward to it
 
so Alice is a man pretending to be a woman, married to a genderspecial man, and dating another man pretending to be a woman (who's also dating another man pretending to be a woman) and somehow this is lesbianism despite no women involved

this isn't even bisexuality, this is gay men and their creepy fetishes
 
@narcissistic injury literally same it’s going to be fucking hilarious i am genuinely looking forward to it

Ive previously said here that I am not a fan of anyone unnecessarily having surgical interventions in the name of transgender ideology and I do stand by that but at the same time it's like something out of a Greek tragedy. The protagonist willingly mutilating themselves due to their absolute arrogance - constantly reminded whenever they look in the mirror.

Ollys still silent about the BBC protest - Im actually shocked that there is not more coverage. I only knew about it because it was posted here on the farms - normally this shit is all across my twitter feed/the news. I dont see any mainstream reporting on it - maybe some high up troon saw the depressing pic of the protest and decided not to run with it lol.

Also thank you @fax machine for your Alice deep dive - it turns out I hate myself too after reading all of that <3 Why are these gay men being so fucking weird - what a bunch of degenerate males.
 
Watson ran a youtube channel called Yorick, since deleted. She was a gender critical transman and produced some very excellent video essays, but deleted the channel when she started detransititioning.

I watched her channel back in the day, and when she closed it down I feel like I remember her saying "I've said everything I need to say with this channel" or something along those lines. If what you say is true then I guess that was just a cover for detransing.
I find it hard to believe that he's actually bisexual and not just GAMP but whatever.
Is there an actual difference between being bisexual and being a GAMP? I just think of the latter of being a specific variant of bisexuality, you absolutely cannot convince me that a man can suck dick and be straight.
"Lesbian friend from college" lololol what is wrong with bisexuals? Do they think it's groovy and mysterious to claim lesbian when they aren't? Because it just exposes their own discomfort with their natural selves. Nothing wrong with being bisexual and preferring one or the other, just fuck outta here with this "men are like burgers" shit as if that's a lesbian experience.
It's still not as insane to me as men who identify as lesbians, and women who fuck men who identify as lesbians identifying as lesbians.
The 'Low Skill work' talking point has been going around recently and its pretty obnoxious because the idea of low skill work is not meant to be a value judgement that people who engage in that type of work are somehow lesser, its meant to be a materialist understanding of the nature of labour divisions that effect the majority of the working class.

Ironically, the people who are making a big song and dance about how you shouldn't say anybody is engaging in low skill labour are being anti-marxist because Marx was very aware of the importance and ramifications of low skilled labour in his theories, and didn't avoid describing it as such. One of the big things that Marx talked about is the way in which technological advances have continually reduced the overall need for high skilled labour since things that previously took a lot of time and experience to perfect, for example weaving, could instead be offloaded onto an industrial machine where the skill requirement of the individual worker was hugely reduced. In effect the workers themselves were pushed towards behaving in a more machine like manner where they were often doing repetitive and simple tasks in a factory where the aggregate of these tasks could produce something far more complex than the workers would have been capable of doing individually without a huge amount of training and experience, this reached its peak with the development of the assembly line in the early 20th century where extremely complex products like cars could be produced by people who would have absolutely no hope of making a car on their own as an individual, but can as part of the assembly process with many other workers doing relatively simple tasks.

Marx pointed out that the overall result of this was that capitalist production could result in considerable amounts of innovation and huge increases in overall production compared to older methods, but at the same time it was highly likely to reduce the economic power and leverage of the average worker, and could kick skilled workers down the ladder since their particular abilities were no longer difficult to reproduce and in high demand, reducing their ability to do things like demand fair recompense for their labour, instead the balance of power was shifted in favour of the owners of capital like property, machines, land, factories and other things that made for industrial society who reaped far larger returns because of their control of these things than the workers they employed, who, because they partook in unskilled work, were highly expendable and could be replaced easily, seriously damaging their negotiating power.

The last bit is crucial, its why a proper Marxist would scoff at this notion of declaring everybody high skilled workers just to make them feel good. The term is meant to be an objective recognition of reality, if you can be let go and replaced with somebody else with ease by your employer because your job has a large pool of people to draw upon and just about anybody can be easily trained up to occupy your role you are unskilled compared to a job where the exact opposite is the case, it does not matter how you dress it up.
And nowadays we're in sort of the opposite bind where much low-skilled labor is becoming obsolete due to automation, thus classical Marxism is quite outmoded.
 
Is there an actual difference between being bisexual and being a GAMP? I just think of the latter of being a specific variant of bisexuality, you absolutely cannot convince me that a man can suck dick and be straight.
IMO GAMP is on the same spectrum as AGP therefore the concepts of homo-, hetero-, and bisexuality do not apply.
 
I am constantly fascinated by the intersection of trannies must be centered and celebrated at all times and questioning them is akin to murder and the fact that on an individual level no one can actually stand trannies, so I am dying to know what has been going on behind the scenes. I imagine that the latter is winning out in Olly's case and he is seething about it.
Unfortunately for the average western person they fear trannies because they know that if someone dares misgender the poor troons you will get cancelled for your bigoted transphobia.
 
Ive previously said here that I am not a fan of anyone unnecessarily having surgical interventions in the name of transgender ideology and I do stand by that but at the same time it's like something out of a Greek tragedy. The protagonist willingly mutilating themselves due to their absolute arrogance - constantly reminded whenever they look in the mirror.

Ollys still silent about the BBC protest - Im actually shocked that there is not more coverage. I only knew about it because it was posted here on the farms - normally this shit is all across my twitter feed/the news. I dont see any mainstream reporting on it - maybe some high up troon saw the depressing pic of the protest and decided not to run with it lol.

Also thank you @fax machine for your Alice deep dive - it turns out I hate myself too after reading all of that <3 Why are these gay men being so fucking weird - what a bunch of degenerate males.
Olly is not about to shout too loudly at the BBC- remember, he has big ambitions over that way
 
And nowadays we're in sort of the opposite bind where much low-skilled labor is becoming obsolete due to automation, thus classical Marxism is quite outmoded.
I'm not sure I'd quite say that, from the Marxist perspective automation isn't very new, its been the case for the last 2 centuries at least that technology reduces the need for labour input which means individual workers are less important and more easily exploited.
 
Olly is not about to shout too loudly at the BBC- remember, he has big ambitions over that way
He did speak out about the BBC when the lesbians article was first posted
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He makes a point to mention having a friend who works at the BBC (this is not anything to brag about, I've said before that you'll trip over BBC employees if you hang out in Fitzrovia) and was also very poorly informed as Ben Hunte, the LGBT correspondent that interviewed him when he came out, only took a temporary break to do a stint as West Africa correspondent and the role was temporarily covered by now-Brussels correspondent Jessica Parker (a lesbian).

But yep, he's keeping his weirdly small lips tightly pursed now. I think Ollie is hoping for a cushy consultancy with the BBC about trans rights (not happening now they've dumped Stonewall), or possibly some position as a transgender talking head. That or Trans Activism UK (who organised this one, unlike Transgender Action Block that did the NHS protest or London Trans Pride) wouldn't let him do a speech so he didn't go as it didn't benefit him.
 
That or Trans Activism UK (who organised this one, unlike Transgender Action Block that did the NHS protest or London Trans Pride) wouldn't let him do a speech so he didn't go as it didn't benefit him.
that, or he's still smarting - sorry, 'worried about drawing focus away'- over the recent glow-ish covid chat revelations about him.
 
Is there an actual difference between being bisexual and being a GAMP? I just think of the latter of being a specific variant of bisexuality, you absolutely cannot convince me that a man can suck dick and be straight.
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I'd say no, just like how women attracted to men and butch women are understood to be bisexual. And GAMP men are indeed more attracted to male-presenting men than straight men.
 
Are any of u guys on tttt or is this a whole separate group of ppl that hate chubie???
I do browse there occasionally and made a few drawings (I did not create any of the monstrosities in which Tube shoves Contra up his ass). The absurdity and autism of the schizo threads is hilarious. The bold claims presented as fact with 0 evidence just tickles me.
When he’s not crying about muh equal rights he aspires to be a nerd bimbo tee hee hee:

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"...not have body hair.."...their dysphoria is a real and debilitating condition though, and totally not about superficial aesthetics that don't even exist naturally. AGP? Don't know her(him).
notice the subtle change of his language-
we’ve gone from
“Stupid Tranny Play, coming 2022!’
to
‘stage play which *could* be performed..’

looks like the transphobic and/or ~discerning about not having shit on their stage~ theatre programming directors aren’t biting.
also lol, i’ve just realised that’s why he keeps blathering on about it. he’s fishing for someone to actually take him up on it, and no one has yet.
that makes it actually kind of tragic normal, as well as just tragicomic
Ollie's attitude about his play is reminiscent of his troon grift in general. He starts off by being overly self-confident and then quietens down or changes his wording when reality sets in. With the grift I think he's slowly realised he will not become a cultural and historical icon simply by trooning. What he's doing is nothing novel. With the play, he seemed to have no understanding of what getting it actually produced would entail, and seemed to think it would just work itself out by virtue of him being the famous Abigail Thorn of Terf Island. Let's see how that works out for him. I kind of hope it does just to see what it's like, I think it will be full of memeable awfulness.
 
I do browse there occasionally and made a few drawings (I did not create any of the monstrosities in which Tube shoves Contra up his ass). The absurdity and autism of the schizo threads is hilarious. The bold claims presented as fact with 0 evidence just tickles me.

"...not have body hair.."...their dysphoria is a real and debilitating condition though, and totally not about superficial aesthetics that don't even exist naturally. AGP? Don't know her(him).

Ollie's attitude about his play is reminiscent of his troon grift in general. He starts off by being overly self-confident and then quietens down or changes his wording when reality sets in. With the grift I think he's slowly realised he will not become a cultural and historical icon simply by trooning. What he's doing is nothing novel. With the play, he seemed to have no understanding of what getting it actually produced would entail, and seemed to think it would just work itself out by virtue of him being the famous Abigail Thorn of Terf Island. Let's see how that works out for him. I kind of hope it does just to see what it's like, I think it will be full of memeable awfulness.
a real and epilating condition!

the fact he can’t get it staged with all his money, knowledge and (what should be a vast amount of) contacts (not only from his acting for ten years but his going to the right schools with £ people) is funny as fuck and a testament to how shit it is.
i mean we know it will be, but for pozzed london theatre to think so too.. big lols babes.
Tube power fading…fading!
 
Makes me think of Keeping Up Appearances - Mrs Bucket wants so much to fit in with the upper class people, but they invariably much prefer her sisters and brother-in-law, who are very "common" and happy with it!
One of my favorite recurring subplots was Violet and her cross-dressing tax attorney husband.
so Alice is a man pretending to be a woman, married to a genderspecial man, and dating another man pretending to be a woman (who's also dating another man pretending to be a woman) and somehow this is lesbianism despite no women involved

this isn't even bisexuality, this is gay men and their creepy fetishes
Sounds like a lesbian to me!
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