Mega Rad Gun Thread

In other news, Smart Guns are here (for real this time though, not like the other times where they either never came out or failed miserably in several ways). The main one featured in the article doesn't work if you're wearing gloves, have an improper grip for whatever reason (or are firing one handed such as when shooting from retention) or when the scanner gets wet/dusty/muddy/dirty etc etc. and is several hundred dollars more expensive than a standard glock (at least it isn't $2000 like another model mentioned in the article). Also I have my doubts about being able to activate the thumb scanner on the draw as a proper thumbs forwards grip from what I understand has the "pads" of the thumbs face downwards.
Neat way to scam a bunch of money from dumb state governments and the wine moms (and whatever the male equivalent is) that vote for them.
 
Neat way to scam a bunch of money from dumb state governments and the wine moms (and whatever the male equivalent is) that vote for them.
Assuming smart guns are actually adopted in any PD the first time a cop ventilates a crackhead charging him there is going to be a giant freakout because "he couldn't take da offisa's gun sheeeeit"


This is a long sperg rant not at all related to your post but the funny thing about Smart Guns in America is that Us Americans being such fat fucks might actually prevent them from ever taking off and may even potentially make it unconstitutional to make them the only kind of firearm for sale (at least in certain configurations). What do I mean by this? I'm talking about Diabetes, now you're probably wondering what the hell the clash is between Diabetes and Smart Guns is, well I'll tell ya, Finger Sticks. Diabetics prick their fingers to produce blood for use with Diabetic glucose level test strips to test their blood glucose (not all, but most). The thing is that every time they prick they make a hole in one of their fingers, and along a long enough time scale their fingers start to toughen and callous somewhat, which according to a twitter post from a Diabetic I read concerning smart guns, would interfere with any thumb print reader on a smart gun (This person in question was also a lab tech who washed his hands on average of 100 times a day, he said this also fucked with his finger prints). According to the CDC as of Feb 11th 2020 34.2 Million Americans (just over 1 in 10 and) had diabetes and 88 million Adults have Pre-Diabetes (approximately 1 in 5)
 
That Smart gun thing is more hyperbolic nonsense, I wouldn't pay any attention to it. Every time some company announces one of those things, the media goes more retarded than usual for a few days, then the obvious flaws in the product come out, and that's that.
 
That Smart gun thing is more hyperbolic nonsense, I wouldn't pay any attention to it. Every time some company announces one of those things, the media goes more retarded than usual for a few days, then the obvious flaws in the product come out, and that's that.
I know It's irrational but with grabbers holding congress (only technically and not really) and the white house it makes me antsy

Another reason why Smart Guns are retarded, How is a gunsmith supposed to work on any gun that can only utilized by the person who owns it? Is a smith supposed to perform maintenance or make a modification on a firearm, give it back to the owner for test firing and then have it given back to him if there's anything wrong? That's fucking stupid and if there is a universal unlock feature for rental guns/FFL's/Gunsmiths then it will be leaked Day 1.
 
Another reason why Smart Guns are retarded, How is a gunsmith supposed to work on any gun that can only utilized by the person who owns it? Is a smith supposed to perform maintenance or make a modification on a firearm, give it back to the owner for test firing and then have it given back to him if there's anything wrong? That's fucking stupid and if there is a universal unlock feature for rental guns/FFL's/Gunsmiths then it will be leaked Day 1.
The funny thing is that the smith would just reassemble the firearm without the locking system - and if the part is critical for assembly/function then he could just fabricate a modified piece that is permanently unlocked. Now the gun is just a traditional dumb gun for testing and he can just reassemble the original lock before sending it back to the owner.
Just like gangs eventually adopted the wish autosears and solvent traps, someone in Chy-nah is just going to provide totally inconspicuous parts that totally have nothing to do with guns for the best selling models and criminals can continue to acquire stolen guns and replace the biometric lock.
 
Are there any existing smart guns on the market right now? And if yes, has anyone done a security audit on them? I recall they had something using low-power bluetooth and some kind of a "key" ring, that thing got hacked in minutes.
 
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Are there any existing smart guns on the market right now? And if yes, has anyone done a security audit on them? I recall they had something using low-power bluetooth and some kind of a "key" ring, that thing got hacked in minutes.
Last time I heard of one being subjected to penetration testing, it didn't even require hacking. A magnet held close to the gun actuated the solenoid and unlocked it.
 
Last time I heard of one being subjected to penetration testing, it didn't even require hacking. A magnet held close to the gun actuated the solenoid and unlocked it.
Awesome, that sounds like a winning design. The only way I can see something like that working is if they put some kind of clockwork mechanism on it requiring an actual physical key to cock the hammer or turn off safety. But then it's still an analog mechanical system that cannot be disabled remotely by Big Brother, so therefore haram.
 
Awesome, that sounds like a winning design. The only way I can see something like that working is if they put some kind of clockwork mechanism on it requiring an actual physical key to cock the hammer or turn off safety. But then it's still an analog mechanical system that cannot be disabled remotely by Big Brother, so therefore haram.
Taurus has been selling their guns with a safety "key" (really just a key shaped Allen wrench) for a while.
 
Are there any existing smart guns on the market right now?
there are a few dozen, but all current models are LE or military sales only and the "smart" technology isn't for access control, but for maintenance tracking. H&K sells it as a $30,000 system which includes conversion of existing competing firearms, but integrates with specific H&K models for this purpose. the RFID is updated via NF radios when the pistols or rifles are serviced and includes various identifying information as well as a notes section for tracking issues or noting round counts, et c.

there are dozens of failed versions going back into the 90's, and iirc only two ever actually made it to market, the Armatix pistol (which was a DA/SA .22LR that had questionable design quality and required a paired watch) and Kodiak's biometric interlock system which integrated the sensor into the grip. both were quite expensive, unreliable, and easily defeated.

essentially you would need to manufacture a firearm from nothing (not adapting an existing design) that integrated a "smart" safety system that had both access control technology and a robust, rugged passive system to allow fail safe and fail deadly modes. ideally you would want to get away from a typical firearm design and move to a purely electronic firing system which would be much harder tamper with if an encoder is required to send a meaningful signal to an actuator to activate the primary explosive. this would remove the simple bypass of a strong magnet, of mechanical tampering, and of using a simple battery due to the encoding sending a specific signal where a "smart" cartridge will not detonate if the received encoded signal doesn't match the data it expects.

in theory this would also mean that purchased ammunition must be registered or activated in order to be used at all with a specific firearm, and the price of manufacturing this ammunition and firearm, and the R&D required to make it a reality would price firearms out of everyone's reach. you would have to have a purposeful backing of a wealthy investor who would want that sort of outcome - something that isn't in short supply, but you would also have to somehow physically get rid of all non-smart technology through forfeiture and also control the knowledge of how to make non-smart firearms entirely, or the materials and tools to do it.

basically a smart gun is pointless, expensive, and would only work in someplace like China where firearms and firearm-related knowledge is strictly controlled and harshly punished.

even then, someone would just use a bomb or gas, or knives.
 
Primary Arms is bringing to market a product that to my knowledge is the first of its kind, a magnifier with a reticle independent of the one belonging to the optic it is magnifying. Based on my understanding how this works, is that when there is a desire to calculate a ballistic drop, the magnifier is flipped into place and the etched reticle is aligned with the red dot. Now I think this may actually be a theoretically superior option (disregarding chinese manufacture) compared to a standard magnifier being used with a red dot with a LED produced BDC. I say this because to my knowledge a BDC dot/ hashmark will be increased in size following a formula of MOA of the dot x magnification power, so If you have a 2 MOA BDC dot and a 3x magnifier that would give your eye a view of 6 MOA BDC dot. An etched reticle in the magnifier would not have this problem. It weights 5.3oz without a mount and will retail for $169.99 on P.A's website.
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Speaking of Primary Arms, some of you may remember that I made post about how the Dmitri of Primary Arms said that he was working on a "Superior form of Iron Sight" but he couldn't talk bout it "just yet". I have observed that there are no Iron Sights of any kind on P.A's new products showcase page

The Ghost Gunner 3 just got a lot of added value

Also Springfield is probably going to start importing VHS or VHS-2 rifles, now YOU can LARP as either Iraqi Federal Police or the Post fall of the Territorial Calipihte ISIS Guerilla that took the rifle off the Policeman's corpse.
 
Primary Arms is bringing to market a product that to my knowledge is the first of its kind, a magnifier with a reticle independent of the one belonging to the optic it is magnifying. Based on my understanding how this works, is that when there is a desire to calculate a ballistic drop, the magnifier is flipped into place and the etched reticle is aligned with the red dot. Now I think this may actually be a theoretically superior option (disregarding chinese manufacture) compared to a standard magnifier being used with a red dot with a LED produced BDC. I say this because to my knowledge a BDC dot/ hashmark will be increased in size following a formula of MOA of the dot x magnification power, so If you have a 2 MOA BDC dot and a 3x magnifier that would give your eye a view of 6 MOA BDC dot. An etched reticle in the magnifier would not have this problem. It weights 5.3oz without a mount and will retail for $169.99 on P.A's website.
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Based on the image and the description of the ACSS-Pegasus, it's not so much an aiming reticle as a range estimation tool. The idea is that you can measure a standing man-sized target using the etched ladder to estimate how far away it is from you. This would combine nicely with a BDC reticle in the primary optic (such as most of the red dot ACSS offerings) giving you fast ranging (from the magnifier) and pre-calculated holds for known ranges (from the primary optic) in the same view.
 
Primary Arms is bringing to market a product that to my knowledge is the first of its kind, a magnifier with a reticle independent of the one belonging to the optic it is magnifying. Based on my understanding how this works, is that when there is a desire to calculate a ballistic drop, the magnifier is flipped into place and the etched reticle is aligned with the red dot. Now I think this may actually be a theoretically superior option (disregarding chinese manufacture) compared to a standard magnifier being used with a red dot with a LED produced BDC. I say this because to my knowledge a BDC dot/ hashmark will be increased in size following a formula of MOA of the dot x magnification power, so If you have a 2 MOA BDC dot and a 3x magnifier that would give your eye a view of 6 MOA BDC dot. An etched reticle in the magnifier would not have this problem. It weights 5.3oz without a mount and will retail for $169.99 on P.A's website.
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Speaking of Primary Arms, some of you may remember that I made post about how the Dmitri of Primary Arms said that he was working on a "Superior form of Iron Sight" but he couldn't talk bout it "just yet". I have observed that there are no Iron Sights of any kind on P.A's new products showcase page

The Ghost Gunner 3 just got a lot of added value

Also Springfield is probably going to start importing VHS or VHS-2 rifles, now YOU can LARP as either Iraqi Federal Police or the Post fall of the Territorial Calipihte ISIS Guerilla that took the rifle off the Policeman's corpse.
When will Springfield give America what it needs, a modernized version of the M1A1 or M2 Carbine and the M1 Garand and the M1903 Springfield.
 
there are a few dozen, but all current models are LE or military sales only and the "smart" technology isn't for access control, but for maintenance tracking. H&K sells it as a $30,000 system which includes conversion of existing competing firearms, but integrates with specific H&K models for this purpose. the RFID is updated via NF radios when the pistols or rifles are serviced and includes various identifying information as well as a notes section for tracking issues or noting round counts, et c.

there are dozens of failed versions going back into the 90's, and iirc only two ever actually made it to market, the Armatix pistol (which was a DA/SA .22LR that had questionable design quality and required a paired watch) and Kodiak's biometric interlock system which integrated the sensor into the grip. both were quite expensive, unreliable, and easily defeated.

essentially you would need to manufacture a firearm from nothing (not adapting an existing design) that integrated a "smart" safety system that had both access control technology and a robust, rugged passive system to allow fail safe and fail deadly modes. ideally you would want to get away from a typical firearm design and move to a purely electronic firing system which would be much harder tamper with if an encoder is required to send a meaningful signal to an actuator to activate the primary explosive. this would remove the simple bypass of a strong magnet, of mechanical tampering, and of using a simple battery due to the encoding sending a specific signal where a "smart" cartridge will not detonate if the received encoded signal doesn't match the data it expects.

in theory this would also mean that purchased ammunition must be registered or activated in order to be used at all with a specific firearm, and the price of manufacturing this ammunition and firearm, and the R&D required to make it a reality would price firearms out of everyone's reach. you would have to have a purposeful backing of a wealthy investor who would want that sort of outcome - something that isn't in short supply, but you would also have to somehow physically get rid of all non-smart technology through forfeiture and also control the knowledge of how to make non-smart firearms entirely, or the materials and tools to do it.

basically a smart gun is pointless, expensive, and would only work in someplace like China where firearms and firearm-related knowledge is strictly controlled and harshly punished.

even then, someone would just use a bomb or gas, or knives.
Guessing the bulk of the cost of the system is the software and scanners, plus a service plan for support and such.

Seems the only people who think smart guns are a good idea are globohomo bureaucrats. Their idea of a safe gun is some kind of G11 type contraption that can be remotely disabled and that requires constant identity verifications by the means of a buttplug full of biometric sensors that cannot be removed for the duration of the range visit. Also the gun is bolted to the table and everyone is gay.
 
Seems the only people who think smart guns are a good idea are globohomo bureaucrats. Their idea of a safe gun is some kind of G11 type contraption that can be remotely disabled and that requires constant identity verifications by the means of a buttplug full of biometric sensors that cannot be removed for the duration of the range visit. Also the gun is bolted to the table and everyone is gay.
Pretty much. "Pay twice as much for failure-prone nanny state bullshit" isn't really a compelling sales pitch to the typical gun buyer.
 
Pretty much. "Pay twice as much for failure-prone nanny state bullshit" isn't really a compelling sales pitch to the typical gun buyer.
And then there's always some college kid with zero firearms experience who goes "hey, you know what would be a great idea? a smart gun! wonder why no one has done it before..."
 
So there's a new metal framed striker fired glock clone coming to market soon
What, if anything, is causing this resurgence in metal framed 9mm handguns?
Upper end Millennials becoming boomer fudds of the future. They want a metal frame handgun like their dad's (the original fudd) but with Glock operating systems.
 
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When will Springfield give America what it needs, a modernized version of the M1A1 or M2 Carbine and the M1 Garand and the M1903 Springfield.
Never. They're not the actual Springfield Armory, they just bought rights to the name decades ago. Do you really want a modern 1903 with GRIP ZONE plastered all over it?
 
there are a few dozen, but all current models are LE or military sales only and the "smart" technology isn't for access control, but for maintenance tracking. H&K sells it as a $30,000 system which includes conversion of existing competing firearms, but integrates with specific H&K models for this purpose. the RFID is updated via NF radios when the pistols or rifles are serviced and includes various identifying information as well as a notes section for tracking issues or noting round counts, et c.
Only $30k? What a steal.

Tell ya what, I'll sell ya my comparable system for only $25k:
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