Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once

[Law]

There is one model for it.
It's an interesting read.
It's also animal abuse.

This is interesting, but I don't consider it an animal model of transgenderism.

Spoiler: BIG SPERG

It just sounds like a very aggressive surgical solution for bladder stones in a male dog. This also doesn't sound abusive, since it was done to save the dog's life. A lot of male dogs get neutered, but this doesn't change them into female dogs or make them trans dogs.
I know there are some subjective, hard-to-diagnose psychological conditions that seem to occur in both humans and other animals. Depression is one. Cats can actually experience depression and anxiety, and some vets will prescribe them Prozac. Feather-pulling in birds is pretty similar to trichotillomania in humans.
So what would transgenderism in animals even look like? A tom cat being depressed unless it was given female hormones by a vet, and not responding to other treatments? Male dogs who are depressed and listless until they get their balls removed? Dogs responding to name changes or different color collars? Transness is something that's supposed to just arise spontaneously from a person, due to the nature of their "true authentic self", not something that can be induced by bladder stones.
It seems to me that gender identities are a human-only madness that people can be successfully talked out of, and that elaborate surgical interventions are unnecessary and the "affirmation only" model is a disaster.

Jazz needs to realize that the bitch will never be happy.

Realizing that he is not responsible for Jeanette's actions, that he is not the problem, and that nothing he does will ever be good enough for her is going to be an important step in him getting out.
A lot of former trans-supporters stopped going along with it once they realized that they were not responsible for the actions of trans people, and that nothing they ever did, no amount of pronoun circles or affirmation or ass-kissing or slogan-repeating, would ever be good enough.

 

[Troll Patrol]

Creeping Hope's twitter.

There is zero chance that this beautiful woman 41%'d. She was obviously lynched by racists and it was covered up by racist cops. #blacktranslivesmatter.

 

[Sonya-chan]

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Jaron completely closes his eyes while he's saying this at 51 seconds into the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8-Qn6EHjvM

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-tell-someones-lying-by-watching-their-face-2016-1

You can hear how sad he sounds, his emotions are easy to read through his voice.

 

[Fupa Control]

For a trans activist family, they're actually pretty un-woke. They're in the church of True Trans, and are pretty bland and conservative in general.

Remember when they proposed the drag show fundraiser to Noelle? Noelle was plugged into woke. Noelle knows that drag is "problematic" politically, but Jazz and family were clueless about the potential can of worms.

They did the Black Trans Lives thing, but anyone properly woke would have known that was douchy and performative. They also would have been more sensitive to their tokenism, and done the outreach Peppermint suggested in the first place. It's pretty obvious they're a couple of rich kids playing pretend, and they aren't really plugged into any grassroots activism.

Even when Jazz started the internship, it seemed like he had a shallow understanding of other trans people's struggles. He seemed naive to the idea of FTMs. They never bring up non-binary people. Even when talking about trans rights, their talking points are always super basic and self-centred. There's nothing all that woke about them; they're just middle-class attention-seekers.

I know these fuckers. The wealthiest, most conservative school district in my county is also the safest space one could hope for, prize winning show choir and all. Masks are optional but woe to shim who misgenders their porcelain-skinned progeny.

 

[Stephanie Brown]

Ok so I know this isn't relevent to the discussion but I was reading "le choeur des femmes" and this page came up

The character is intersex, not transgender, but I couldn't help but think of jazz when reading it. Have you guys ever watched or read a piece of media that reminded you of the whole Jazz fiasco?

 

[Gen Yawp]

What drugs is Jaron taking?

Seroquel? - I suspect is the cause of the sleepiness and constant eating. Skinny people go into mental hospitals and come out as tubs of lard on that stuff. It causes over eating and metabolic disorders.

Estradiol and Spirolactone too - generic tiddy skittles, does he need any other 'mones? Would he need a T supplement too?

Some kind of mood stabilizer - also causing weight gain.
Some kind of anti depressant - as if Jazz wasn't anorgasmic enough to begin with
Some thing for panic/anxiety - benzos would also cause sleepiness.
Something for ADHD? This would be the med Jazz needed to "wake up".

THEY'RE ALL CHEMICAL SHACKLES TO PREVENT JARON FROM THE FREEDOM OF TRUTH

Jeannette should go to jail. All transgender therapy on minors should be against the law.

Very likely all of those, except troons usually eventually stop spiro after SRS. It depends what their adrenal glands are doing for T.

Like others have mentioned, he’s probably on pain meds. I’m not so sure it’s opioids. Since there’s been a crackdown on prescribing, many doctors don’t write them out like before, but with the disaster Jazz has below, it’s possible. Especially if you play the “dilation hurts without them, and it’ll close if stopped” card.

Maybe Gabapentin or Lyrica for nerve pain. If not a benzo then an antihistamine like Phenergan for “calming effects.” I wonder how many are once daily. (So how many drugs total.) And if any are over-the-counter or if it’s all Rxs. I’m surprised Jazz gets up at all.

 

[Erica dansby]

Exulansic never said Jazz has Prader-Willi, but she has theorized Jazz has damage to his hypothalamus, similar to what happens in PW. They have chromosome 15 deletions, Jazz had GnRT drugs. It’s an interesting theory, but I think Jazz has multiple factors that contribute to the rapid weight gain; the cocktail of drugs he’s on (Seroquel possibly being one of them), the castration (Castrati got huge), other mental illness, and possibly damage to the hypothalamus.

Exulansic is pretty much convinced Jazz has Prader-Willi. I like Exulansic as much as the next TERF, but she’s taken the medical nerd Dr. Google LARP too far. Horses not Zebras, but like any sperg munchie, it’s always about the super rare conditions and never about a more Occam’s Razor type thing like massive weight gain from a mood stabilizer or antipsychotic.
Exulansic also fetishes pharma and claims she herself has some super rare disability called Eagle’s syndrome so of course she’s going to slap on an equally rare diagnosis into Jazz.

 

[all4mom2]

What drugs is Jaron taking?

Seroquel? - I suspect is the cause of the sleepiness and constant eating. Skinny people go into mental hospitals and come out as tubs of lard on that stuff. It causes over eating and metabolic disorders.

Estradiol and Spirolactone too - generic tiddy skittles, does he need any other 'mones? Would he need a T supplement too?

Some kind of mood stabilizer - also causing weight gain.
Some kind of anti depressant - as if Jazz wasn't anorgasmic enough to begin with
Some thing for panic/anxiety - benzos would also cause sleepiness.
Something for ADHD? This would be the med Jazz needed to "wake up".

THEY'RE ALL CHEMICAL SHACKLES TO PREVENT JARON FROM THE FREEDOM OF TRUTH

Jeannette should go to jail. All transgender therapy on minors should be against the law.

I'm thinking an antipsychotic as the "new" thing; I'm sure he's been on the others for years now.

 

[Gen Yawp]

Exulansic is pretty much convinced Jazz has Prader-Willi. I like Exulansic as much as the next TERF, but she’s taken the medical nerd Dr. Google LARP too far. Horses not Zebras, but like any sperg munchie, it’s always about the super rare conditions and never about a more Occam’s Razor type thing like massive weight gain from a mood stabilizer or antipsychotic.
Exulansic also fetishes pharma and claims she herself has some super rare disability called Eagle’s syndrome so of course she’s going to slap on an equally rare diagnosis into Jazz.

No, Exulansic knows Jazz doesn’t have PWS. She just made a short video yesterday specifically about this. (She said in a live stream about a week ago she has been to the farms, so maybe that’s why.) Her theory is the hypothalamus damage is “Prader-Willi-Like” in Jazz, not that she is born with actual PWS. Some of Exulansic’s theories are a stretch, but suggesting hypothalamus damage is contributing to Jazz’s binge eating is one of her more normal ones. I think she’s discounting other factors, like new psychotropic meds, but people like Jazz are at risk of brain damage from puberty blockers that cause their own set of problems.

ETA: I’m a sped that still can’t properly upload a yt

 

[OttoWest]

Have you guys ever watched or read a piece of media that reminded you of the whole Jazz fiasco?

As Nature Made Him by John Colapinto

 

[Uncle Meat]

Have you guys ever watched or read a piece of media that reminded you of the whole Jazz fiasco?

Todd Solondz's "Happiness"

It isn't the same situation, but the family dynamic and the inevitable march toward disaster is the same. Unfortunately, the movie has been removed from distribution, so it can't act as a warning for reality show families.

Exulansic is an "authority" that only someone more autistic than her would consider to be authoritative. But she is definitely entertaining as a lesbo-feminist shit lordess.

A woman wouldn't measure depth because women have vaginas that literally change shape depending on arousal and hormone fluctuations.

So THAT'S what the Bee Gees were talking about in "How Deep Is Your Love?"!

 

[Tasty Tatty]

If we're gonna talk about obvious reasons for Jazz to be this fat, the most obvious is that he does nothing. There is a reason why parents insist on their kids, specially boys, to do sports or any activity while young: when they're left alone at home they either fat up with food or become coomers. And many times, both. We know Jazz can't coom, so food it is. All of his sexual energy also goes to eat up.

The only activities Jazz does are those silly events that require no much effort beyond calling people and promote them online. And while walking is good, it's not enough for him to lose weight in the weight he needs to lose.

No, Exulansic knows Jazz doesn’t have PWS. She just made a short video yesterday specifically about this. (She said in a live stream about a week ago she has been to the farms, so maybe that’s why.) Her theory is the hypothalamus damage is “Prader-Willi-Like” in Jazz, not that she is born with actual PWS. Some of Exulansic’s theories are a stretch, but suggesting hypothalamus damage is contributing to Jazz’s binge eating is one of her more normal ones. I think she’s discounting other factors, like new psychotropic meds, but people like Jazz are at risk of brain damage from puberty blockers that cause their own set of problems.

ETA: I’m a sped that still can’t properly upload a yt

She could be right because there are many cases when an organ is "tricked" into believing it suffers an specific disease and acts accordingly. Say, high stress can push your thyroid to the limit and you either gain or lose weight too fast.

Every single organ of Jazz has been pushed into acting like they belong to a woman's body and only a moron would think they're the same.

 

[Gen Yawp]

Obviously Jazz wasn’t born with PWS. That much is obvious as we’ve seen footage of jazz as a younger child. Exulansic has driven the point home again and again about Jazz’ PWS manifesting with the insatiable appetite, emotional lability, and the ankle flexibility. So don’t come here to cape for Exulansic. I think her latest Covid booster has made her even dumber than before. She will gladly shill for pharma when needed and is probably on a cocktail herself. She’s very much a Lyrica snowflake for muh rare disease.

Much of Exulansic’s medical tangeants are annoying and a grandstand. When she was first mentioning PWS, I figured she’d have another video to bring up Angelman, which is irrelevant but a way to show us that she is oh so smart and knows the genetics of chromosome 15 deletions vs brain damage from environmental factors. I LOL’d when sure enough, she brought up Angelman… and kept mispronouncing it. I’m not caping or white knighting for her. She gets plenty wrong and the intellectual schtick is overdone.

You can hear how sad he sounds, his emotions are easy to read through his voice.

It is hard to watch these clips where Jazz is forced to stick to the script about his mental health. You can see the internal struggle and how miserable he is.

 

[Mishy2021]

Jazz is definitely trying to replicate the flamboyant hand gesture but lacks the flamboyance to pull it off correctly. He tilted and bobbed his head slightly and changed the cadence of his voice to illustrate frustration.

Exulansic occasionally makes some good points but she knit picks literally everything the family does.
This is an overreach for sure.

I think it could have been a video idea as well as an analysis kind of like clickbait?

 

[Troll Patrol]

Have you guys ever watched or read a piece of media that reminded you of the whole Jazz fiasco?

Yes, Capturing the Friedman's. It's very different, but similar in terms of weird family dynamics. It's about a jewish family of pedophiles.

 

[NoReturn]

Ok so I know this isn't relevent to the discussion but I was reading "le choeur des femmes" and this page came up
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The character is intersex, not transgender, but I couldn't help but think of jazz when reading it. Have you guys ever watched or read a piece of media that reminded you of the whole Jazz fiasco?

Woah. More context?

 

[Stephanie Brown]

Woah. More context?

This is from a graphic novel, you can read the english version for free here https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/A-Woman-s-Voice
For context, this page is from the last chapter of the book, where a doctor tells the story of when he was a young surgeon, he worked with an older surgeon who was obsessed with "genital perfection" the blonde girl was born intersex and the surgeon was obsessed with making her a perfect girl, but ended up botching her instead.
The whole novel isn't really about this tho. This scene is just a flashback. The main theme of the book is about gynecology in france, what doctors do and how women experience it. The main character is intersex and its talked about, but the main story is about what gynecologists can do to create a safer enviromnent for women.
Ok this is taking too long and is not relevent to the thread but in conclusion it's a great book that I highly recommend even tho its not really about tranny stuff. It's very informative and I love the character development.

 

[Box of Shame]

When I went to college no one from the admissions board asked about any of this sort of thing. Harvard is seeing red flags and they're regretting accepting Jazz. They are probably throwing up roadblocks hoping Jazz will just go to community college.

Jazz took a gap year between high school and college which isn't all that unusual. Most universities are cool with that and don't ask too many questions, they basically have you fill out a form asking permission and detailing what you will be doing instead of college that year. Usually it is something impressive like volunteering, traveling, etc. But then Jazz asked for a second gap year IIRC. That definitely raised red flags with admissions, and like another poster mentioned, Jazz's mental health struggles are well known.

Harvard may well be regretting they admitted him now that they realize he is no longer the well dressed, precocious 11-year-old trans spokesmodel most people think of him being.

edited to fix typos

 

[Standardized Profile]

The character is intersex, not transgender, but I couldn't help but think of jazz when reading it. Have you guys ever watched or read a piece of media that reminded you of the whole Jazz fiasco?

Hedwig and the Angry Inch. Like Hansel, Jaron received a botched sex change operation at the insistence of an authority figure. He now seems to be realizing the absurdity of his life and embracing drag in lieu of an authentic sexual identity, while (I imagine) secretly despising his fans because they don't see how much pain he's in. I don't think he's smart enough to write a cri de coeur like "Angry Inch," though.

 

[Atomic Age Animal]

Anyone else find it interesting that they dont do phalloplasty on MTFTM trannies?
It is almost as if anyone who ever had a penis would be like "What the Hell is this shit? I was better off with nothing!"
If the surgery was so good that "Dr.s can't tell the difference!" as they like to squeal it seems it would be ideal to bolt a wang back on those people. Now that insurance has to cover this stuff you would think they would be lining up for shiny new store bought wangs. The fact that men pass on a giant "penis" that will stay hard as long as you want shows how bad they are.

I once had an FtM professor who made the argument against any medical "gatekeeping" surrounding medical transition by rhetorically asserting "If doctors can surgically craft new genitals, then why can't they just reverse it too?" The details were scant — I'm not sure to what degree she'd thought through the medical and physiological reality of what she was arguing for, let alone the psychological and ethical import of her argument — but, in practical terms, I imagine she meant something along the lines of what you're saying: i.e. that any unhappy detransitioner could "simply" have a skin tube attached and fulfill their desire to return to their natural body, easy peasy lemon squeezy.

Somehow I have a feeling that a man — even one who was in the process of transitioning — would not have been as cavalier about making that sort of argument given how absolutely, irretrievably mangled their genitals are during these sorts of surgeries. Generally speaking, the Frankensteining that happens to women is nothing like the Frankensteining that happens to men with SRS in terms of irretrievably obliterating the natural function of the genitals. I think it hadn't yet occurred to that FtM professor that while a bolted on skin sock (hovering above her still-functional genitals, no less) might be the coolest thing ever to her, it would never be anything but a cruel joke to a man who once had a penis and knew what he had forever lost.

On another topic: I've also wondered how much Jaron understands in terms of figuring out how much he has lost due to his parents' and butchers' neglect and abuse. Obviously, Jaron doesn't have the experience that a sexually mature man might have had to compare his present situation to but, if he hasn't already, he is soon going to figure out how important sex (a fundamental appetite) is and that it's intensely pleasurable and desirable for most of us while it will never be anything but a painful, unsatisfying experience for him. At the end of the day, I think he might find more comity with asexuals than almost any other group of sexual minorities; of course, they would have no experience with the problem of having only butchered genitals to work with but they could help direct him in finding relationships with people as someone who has no real sexual desire. An asexual person might be the best romantic partner for Jaron — down the road once he's grieved what was stolen from him and worked through the dystopian medical trauma he's suffered at the hands of his parents and Butcher Bowers.