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So your take is that everything is going as planned? Interesting.

Doesn’t seem that way to me. It seems to me that their experiment is going very badly.
The experiment was going swimmingly until those in power overstepped their mark.

For this to work as well as it has done, the international community had to work in unison, as they did in the beginning. But someone has severely pissed off another member of the group and that's why we're seeing a split in information and so many conspiracy theories being proven correct.

Omicron has wrecked the show. Some media companies have been as open as they can be about that fact. And with what we saw in Afghanistan, the yanks taking a pop shot at the crown, BoJo flip flopping more than any other leader and omicron coming from South Africa, I know who my money is on for wrecking the show.

But it's all noise, we were going to come out of the pandemic at some point, by hook or by cruck. The information is collected, everything from 1st December 2021 was just a stretch goal.

I'm interested to hear your side on which parts you see as a failure?
 
Then we’re back to Massive Fuckup theory, which I find very hard to swallow.

How do you mess up this bad. And why, after it’s clear you messed up, would you continue to push it?
The longer a lie goes on, the more effort you have to put in to save face. Whatever good intentions with the lockdowns and vaccines were present at the start of the pandemic are long gone because everyone involved is banding together to cover each others' asses. I don't believe it was some concentrated malicious effort all the way through, otherwise you wouldn't get academics like Malone and McCullough who became disillusioned with how the science around infection treatment and measures containing it got perverted.

Take covering up for each other, massaging of stats, suppression of inconvenient research and magnify it with people in power not wanting a crisis to go to waste. Now it's not very hard to imagine everything spiraling into a bigger and bigger mess. Malicious incompetence and willful ignorance going all the way to the top and penetrating all hierarchies is a bitter pill to swallow, combined with a collective amnesia of the general public because of constant information overload and memoryholing. But I think it explains a lot more than some kind of hyperefficient, omnipotent system by TPTB.
 

ZeroHedge posted an article about this.

Btw, the triple-vaxxed so-called top US General Milley got corona-chan.

General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has tested positive for Covid-19 and is working remotely, the Pentagon has announced. One other member of the Joint Chiefs is positive, but the military did not say who.

Milley tested positive on Sunday and is “experiencing very minor symptoms and can perform all of his duties from the remote location,” Joint Staff spokesman Colonel Dave Butler said in a statement on Monday.

The general “received the Covid-19 vaccines including the booster,” Butler added. All other Joint Chiefs tested negative except for one, but he would not say who it was.

Milley’s last public event was last week’s funeral of retired general, Raymond Odierno, at Arlington National Cemetery, where he was in contact with President Joe Biden.

“He tested negative several days prior to and every day following contact with the president until yesterday,” Butler said.

It'll be a while before he'll complain saying these vaccines are a POS!
 
ZeroHedge posted an article about this.

Btw, the triple-vaxxed so-called top US General Milley got corona-chan.



It'll be a while before he'll complain saying these vaccines are a POS!
Hes probably blaming white rage for it. Why can’t these assholes die of Covid, I get so excited when they catch it but they must have some of children’s blood to transfuse to themselves to prevent death.
 
If the injections are not meant to prevent infection, which they are clearly not, then what are they meant to do? Why are the western democracies using every last ounce of power they have to try to get you to take this vaccine which is clearly not a vaccine.

I’ve heard a lot of theories but nothing yet which really fits the facts.

A) population control, i.e. straight up murder? Not deadly enough.
B) Time-delay population control? Plausible but by what mechanism?
C) sterility? Again, not enough cases.
D) “turning your immune system into a subscription service”. I like this one, but again not enough supporting evidence.
E) Hanlon’s Razor? Doesn’t fit the facts. If they were merely incompetent they’d just put dead pathogens in a tube like normal not do this mRNA gene editing crap.

Never attribute to malice what can be more adequately explained by incompetence. I personally believe that while there is some kind of over-arching 'plan' by 'TPTB', human nature doesn't change whether you're a peasant farmer or a billionaire. The more centralized power becomes, the fewer buffers there are between idiots and incompetence.
 
Further random bullshit in Germany: Besides reducing the validity of being recovered to less than three months, apparently they also decided that single J&J shots plus an mRNA booster don't count as boostered in the state of Bavaria anymore. They really, really, REALLY want you to get three shots, no matter what.
 
Out there? Believable?
Wishful thinking. Like the q-boomers with their "trust the plan." They seem desperate to believe there is 'someone' (anyone) within the establishment that has their best interests at heart. I think it's hard for some people to accept that the ruling class is malevolent or at best doesn't give a fuck about them. Older people really show it when exposed to truth about things like Saddam's wmd's. "But WHY would they lie?!" They refuse to believe it. After all, they're good people and everyone thinks like them - right?
 
Wishful thinking. Like the q-boomers with their "trust the plan." They seem desperate to believe there is 'someone' (anyone) within the establishment that has their best interests at heart. I think it's hard for some people to accept that the ruling class is malevolent or at best doesn't give a fuck about them. Older people really show it when exposed to truth about things like Saddam's wmd's. "But WHY would they lie?!" They refuse to believe it. After all, they're good people and everyone thinks like them - right?
I don't believe for a second they have my best interests at heart. I believe they have their best interests at heart, first and foremost. But like the proverbial broken clock, sometimes things synchronise in helpful ways.

The ending of the scamdemic helps those who want it to end; both elite and peasant alike. Remember though, that there are peasants who don't want the scamdemic to end, in the same way that some elite don't.
 
Fortunately that's been the only source of pressure for me, in a country with a 95% compliance rate the vast majority of my friends haven't got it. I know I'm very fortunate for that, it's statistically very unlikely for everyone I hang out with to be 1 in 20.
Unless they're lying about the 95% compliance.
 
Hes probably blaming white rage for it. Why can’t these assholes die of Covid, I get so excited when they catch it but they must have some of children’s blood to transfuse to themselves to prevent death.
It's just a flu. You don't need adenochrome or virgin baby blood to survive it if you aren't a deathfat.

I'm more worried about a future pandemic that's actually deadly. It'll either be wholly artificial and controlled by governments/pharma corps, or it'll be real and uncontrolled by any organization. Anyone who's played the original Deus Ex knows how the former would play out. The latter is also bad because can you imagine the chucklefucks in power these days trying to contain and stamp out something like the Spanish Flu? They'd prolong its natural course through both incompetence and malfeasance. I mean never forget that at the start of this when Trump was (mostly correctly) blaming China you had a bunch of leftist retards doing shit like this
Remember this fucking shit?
Can you imagine the body count from stunts like that if this illness was a true body stacker?
 
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The latter is also bad because can you imagine the chucklefucks in power these days trying to contain and stamp out something like the Spanish Flu? They'd prolong its natural course through both incompetence and malfeasance.
That's literally the only reason the Spanish Flu was as bad as it got. The health establishment did everything wrong until it burned through the entire population. It's known as one of the greatest debacles in all of modern medical care (there are a frightening number of other debacles on this list). People were prescribing medicines in hospitals that made the flu a lot worse (megadosing people on aspirin). You were more likely to survive if you stayed home.

Bayer's involvement in this should be a parallel with Pfizer's in the current issue:
 
If the injections are not meant to prevent infection, which they are clearly not, then what are they meant to do? Why are the western democracies using every last ounce of power they have to try to get you to take this vaccine which is clearly not a vaccine.

I’ve heard a lot of theories but nothing yet which really fits the facts.

A) population control, i.e. straight up murder? Not deadly enough.
B) Time-delay population control? Plausible but by what mechanism?
C) sterility? Again, not enough cases.
D) “turning your immune system into a subscription service”. I like this one, but again not enough supporting evidence.
E) Hanlon’s Razor? Doesn’t fit the facts. If they were merely incompetent they’d just put dead pathogens in a tube like normal not do this mRNA gene editing crap.
I "like" the theory that they want to get rid of the control group.

I still lean more toward this virus being engineered to take out Boomers, remaining Silent Gen, and the disabled because of China's impending demographic implosion and the fact US social security is supposed to run out by 2030. They are still going to have mega problems with demographics soon but if they wiped out a million or so boomers it would delay the inevitable. This is part of the reason China really doesn't "want" a real war right now.

I believe if this was solely the work of America then China would've immediately, loudly thrown us under the bus instead of vaguely pointing fingers, lying, and shutting down.

And it may have leaked earlier than intended because of glorious CCP incompetence.
 
B) Time-delay population control? Plausible but by what mechanism?
The spike protein invades our cells by binding to the ACE2 proteins on the cell surface. There are places in our body where there are higher concentrations of ACE2 receptor sites. Two of those places are the ovaries and the testes. Incidentally, the heart is another location with high ACE2 receptor site concentrations. I realize that the Experts™ contend that the spike protein production from the vaccine remains in the arm muscle, or wherever you get it. If that were the case, myocarditis and pericarditis would never have emerged in people after they got these vaccines. If Spike can make it to the heart's ACE2 receptor sites, it's not outside the realm of possibility that it can also make it to all the other ACE2 receptor sites, including those of our gonads. Was this known or not? I have no idea, but I am of the opinion that there are those in the world with real power that see it as a silver lining for population control. I mean, these people affected will spend enormous amounts of money on pharma's fertility treatments (thus helping to kick the economic can for a little while longer) before they either manage to have a child or they give up. It'll be the same for the heart problems. Lots of money will be spent keeping these people alive before they die young. It'll even help with the population control because the ethical/moral among them will elect to not have children once they've realized and accepted that they're going to die young.
Massive fuck up? Not by the standards of testing. You have control groups of people who received placebos, some who received a higher or lower dose than normal, 100s of millions of peoples dna harvested through pcr testing and the results of side effects and successful uptake of mrna, not just in one group or country, but across genders, ages, ethnicities and a plethora of natural environments.

This is the biggest human experiment known to man. Think of the valuable information that came from testing on the jews. Now multiply that 1000 times.

You say Massive fuck up, I say the most informative social, psychological and medical experiment ever conducted by man.
The part of me that can separate my mind from my morals and ethics 100% agrees with you. Problem is, I can't keep them separate for very long before my mind turns to boiled rope and firing squads. We all have our weaknesses, I suppose.
 
The spike protein invades our cells by binding to the ACE2 proteins on the cell surface. There are places in our body where there are higher concentrations of ACE2 receptor sites. Two of those places are the ovaries and the testes. Incidentally, the heart is another location with high ACE2 receptor site concentrations. I realize that the Experts™ contend that the spike protein production from the vaccine remains in the arm muscle, or wherever you get it. If that were the case, myocarditis and pericarditis would never have emerged in people after they got these vaccines. If Spike can make it to the heart's ACE2 receptor sites, it's not outside the realm of possibility that it can also make it to all the other ACE2 receptor sites, including those of our gonads. Was this known or not? I have no idea, but I am of the opinion that there are those in the world with real power that see it as a silver lining for population control. I mean, these people affected will spend enormous amounts of money on pharma's fertility treatments (thus helping to kick the economic can for a little while longer) before they either manage to have a child or they give up. It'll be the same for the heart problems. Lots of money will be spent keeping these people alive before they die young. It'll even help with the population control because the ethical/moral among them will elect to not have children once they've realized and accepted that they're going to die young.

The part of me that can separate my mind from my morals and ethics 100% agrees with you. Problem is, I can't keep them separate for very long before my mind turns to boiled rope and firing squads. We all have our weaknesses, I suppose.
Is this why those on ACE inhibitors had such a hard time with coof??
 
The part of me that can separate my mind from my morals and ethics 100% agrees with you. Problem is, I can't keep them separate for very long before my mind turns to boiled rope and firing squads. We all have our weaknesses, I suppose.
Is it wrong to kill 11.5 million people in an industrial genocide to save 100's of millions through the research gained from experiments?

Is it wrong to experiment on 7 billion people to create a cure-all technology, The holy grail of medicine?
 
The doctor who confronted the NHS Health Secretary over mandatory vaccinations earlier this month, wrote an article in The Spectator ...


A few months ago, Sajid Javid was asked how he could justify sacking unvaccinated care home workers if they had been infected with Covid and had natural immunity. The Health Secretary replied as if such people were plainly idiots. ‘If they haven’t taken a vaccine — despite all the effort that’s been made to persuade them, encourage them, provide them with information, introduce them to trusted voices — then at some point you have to move on.’ By ‘move on’ he meant thousands of them should be fired.

NHS staff are next in line: we have until 1 April to get jabbed or get out. On a recent visit to King’s College Hospital, Javid asked some of us what we thought of this. I’m an intensive care doctor and have seen all too much of Covid but I disagree with his vaccine mandate — and told him why. I’ve had the virus, I have antibodies and I am not significantly more likely to spread Covid than someone who has been vaccinated. The Omicron variant, I said, offers a chance to rethink the government’s policy.

Our exchange was caught on camera. The clip went viral and seems to have hit a nerve with the public. But why, you might wonder, would a doctor working on a Covid-19 intensive care ward not want to have the jab? Doesn’t he understand the science?
I do follow the science, and I can find no clear evidence to support compulsory vaccination. The situation is complicated. For some people, the decision to take the jab is an easy and obvious one; for others, they prefer to weigh up the risks vs the benefits.

I’ve had the virus, I have antibodies and I’m not significantly more likely to spread it than someone who’s jabbed
My principal objection is to a ‘mandate’ where my colleagues and I are forced to decide between retaining bodily autonomy or retaining our jobs. Different people hold different points of view. Deriding those who disagree with you — like turning to coercion or overturning bodily autonomy — marks the point where we begin to fail as a free society.

It is notable that most of the people I treat with Covid are unvaccinated. I don’t need any lectures in how vaccines can protect a previously unexposed individual. The vaccines work and offer reasonably durable protection against contracting Covid-19 and it leading to serious illness and death. The older or more vulnerable you are, the greater the reason to take the vaccine. Some 95 per cent of over-sixties are boosted, which is probably the main reason why the numbers of patients in critical care has been falling.

But the idea that a vaccine can give you an impenetrable shield against infection is not backed up by the science. A Public Health England report in August warned that ‘there is limited difference in viral load (and Ct values) between those who are vaccinated and unvaccinated… [suggesting] limited difference in infectiousness’. What this effectively means is that jabbed and unjabbed individuals carry similar amounts of the virus, and this is now backed up by a number of studies.
In July, a Sage advisory panel warned of ‘limited vaccine effect against onward transmission for the Delta variant’. The data for Omicron is still coming in, but it already appeared that the initial reduction in transmission with a vaccine wanes over a fairly brief period of time. For the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, the reduction in transmission is zero at five months. This is why I put it to Javid that healthcare workers would need to be vaccinated every month or so if the policy of reducing transmission is going to be effective. That is simply not going to happen.

Next, we need to weigh up whether or not someone has already contracted Covid-19 and developed an appropriate immune response. After vaccination, antibody levels are high (which is probably what leads to the reduction in transmission), but they drop off fast. With natural immunity, antibody levels are initially lower but they decrease more slowly. Scores of studies have shown that, broadly speaking, natural immunity is equivalent to the immunity provided by the vaccination programme. Most of these studies were carried out before Omicron, which we know to be more likely to cause breakthrough infection in vaccinated people and onward transmission generally.

Being unvaccinated is a huge risk for some, but low-risk for others. As I have seen in intensive care wards, a serious case of Covid-19 is life-threatening, but nearly all unvaccinated patients presenting to critical care also have risk factors such as obesity or other comorbidities. Not having the vaccine has weighed very heavily against these people. Even with our growing knowledge about the disease, Covid still kills around one in 33 over-seventies who are not care home residents. But for those in their twenties, it’s closer to one in 11,000. Even within these age groups, there are vast differences between those who are fit and well and those who have a lower functional status.

You might ask, yet again: why don’t I take the vaccine? Perhaps I could gain some extra protection on top of my natural immunity. But having had an asymptomatic Covid infection once, there is a minuscule chance that I am going to get it again and be sick with it. Secondary infections tend to be milder. I’m happy to keep topping up my natural immunity with micro-exposures.
There are about 85,000 unvaccinated NHS workers. All those I have spoken to say they will not have the vaccine. Will the NHS really benefit from losing all these dedicated members of staff? If the government does intend to fire us, it is incumbent on ministers to explain the scientific basis for doing so. Any law that could end the careers of so many doctors, nurses and other health professionals demands evidence and scientific proof. If ministers cannot produce such proof (and Javid had no answer when I spoke to him) then they should stop threatening NHS staff with the sack.

This article is from the upcoming edition of The Spectator, out tomorrow.
WRITTEN BY Dr Steve James
Dr Steve James is a consultant in critical care at King’s College Hospital. Last week, he was filmed confronting the Health Secretary Sajid Javid over his plans to sack unvaccinated NHS workers. This piece was written in a personal capacity.
 
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