Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once

[Sinner's Sandwich]

I can't reply directly to @Tasty Tatty

Jazz, otoh, has been groomed all his life, since he was a kid, to wish for a way to be penetrated by a man as a goal... even without knowing what that exactly meant or implicated, but that was what he was expecting it would happen once he had a vagina and was old enough.

Remember the scene where Jazz was sitting in a circle with several other boys who had their puberty stunted and talked about their upcoming genital multilations? That was fucking disturbing & nightmarish. They were groomed for getting their dicks butchered since they were small & they talk about srs like it's a goal they can't wait to reach. They think they are actually getting a vagina...

And TLC wants to make the viewers believe that this is somehow healthy and normal. But it's a bunch of children happily talking about getting their genitals multilated ffs! What happened there was the complete opposite of normal!

 

[Erica dansby]

I can't reply directly to @Tasty Tatty

Remember the scene where Jazz was sitting in a circle with several other boys who had their puberty stunted and talked about their upcoming genital multilations? That was fucking disturbing & nightmarish. They were groomed for getting their dicks butchered since they were small & they talk about srs like it's a goal they can't wait to reach. They think they are actually getting a vagina...

And TLC wants to make the viewers believe that this is somehow healthy and normal. But it's a bunch of children happily talking about getting their genitals multilated ffs! What happened there was the complete opposite of normal!

You can get children to believe anything, really, if delivered with enough authority and social proof. The amount of adults who think SRS is achievable just speaks to how utterly mislead the public is about these procedures. Most reasonably intelligent adults have no idea how utterly botched these surgeries are so obviously children are going to think the impossible is possible.

 

[Treasure Champs]

Remember the scene where Jazz was sitting in a circle with several other boys who had their puberty stunted and talked about their upcoming genital multilations? That was fucking disturbing & nightmarish. They were groomed for getting their dicks butchered since they were small & they talk about srs like it's a goal they can't wait to reach.

Ouff, there's a reminiscent piece of media for you right there. Never Let Me Go.

 

[all4mom2]

Others have speculated elsewhere that Jazz’ hole has already closed up and that was what prompted the mental breakdown. The “just barely” penetration could have been the result of that lack of depth. Like instead of a 7” canal maybe he only has 2” now and Jeanette raged out on him catalyzing a mental health crisis. It’s possible.

Except then...what was he dilating in his parents' bedroom? I don't believe it's "closed up." People always leap to hyperbole here, for some reason.

As for suicide, he can't do that (or they can't admit to that) as he no longer has any excuse to, having been allowed to dress like a girl since he was a wee thing, use girls' bathrooms and play on girls' sports teams as a child, and finally get a girl's body as a teen, all of which prevents suicide according to the gospel of...

She who shall not be named.

I also vote for the outpatient breakdown - hence the team of shrinks in FL and the policing of both his behavior and drugs by the whole fam damily.

 

[Erica dansby]

Except then...what was he dilating in his parents' bedroom? I don't believe it's "closed up." People always leap to hyperbole here, for some reason.

As for suicide, he can't do that (or they can't admit to that) as he no longer has any excuse to, having been allowed to dress like a girl since he was a wee thing, use girls' bathrooms and play on girls' sports teams as a child, and finally get a girl's body as a teen. All of which "prevents suicide"...

I also vote for the outpatient breakdown - hence the team of shrinks in FL and the policing of both his behavior and drugs by the whole fam damily.

Why are people of the idea that whats told or shown on the show is real? Just because he said he dilated in there doesn’t mean it’s true. It could have been a troll to his mom or a set up from the producers. Speculating that his cavity closed up is hardly hyperbolic.

You can have a team of mental health professionals and have been institutionalized, they’re not exactly mutually exclusive.

 

[Putin Bot]

The fact Jazz seems to be friendless, makes me think he has no access to social media, unless it's under Jeanette's supervision. Because otherwise, why hasn't Jazz made any online friends? Trannies tend to be permanently online, and apparently they'll even visit each other as well.

It's clear Sanders is constantly posting online, but strangely, Jazz is not, unless it's something to pertain to the family or trans rights (and whatever else woke garbage). Also, it's strange that Jazz does not interact with other children who were transitioned and adults now. Or even other current trans kids.

They are keeping him isolated, and besides letting him go out to forage for food, every time he goes out he's accompanied by Jeanette, one of the siblings, grandparents, or entire family.

Jesus christ, shit must be really bad if Jeanette is trying to isolate him this much. That means that things off camera are much worse than we thought. I think that means that Jazz has come to some sort of realization of what's happened, and is probably desperate to talk with someone out of his family circle or TLC staff, because thanks to the constant gaslighting of his family, he can't really figure out if what has and is being done to him is wrong. This is definitely not going to have a happy ending.

As for losing depth, I remember reading a study that basically confirmed that no matter how diligent a troon is at dilating, they still end up losing depth, and I think width as well. The body will try to heal itself, despite all your attempts to stop it.

ETA; I found this clip of Noelle right before getting bottom surgery. Few things I've noticed. First, when Jazz is talking with Noelle's parents after Noelle is taken to the OR, he is sitting in a typical male fashion. Second, Jeanette is with Jazz with Jazz at the hospital, and is in every clip where Jazz talks about the surgery. Marci Bowers is of course the butcher! Noelle's dad literally sounds like a brainwashed cuck and there's no emotion in his voice. WHAT IS UP WITH THESE MEN WHO LET THEIR WIVES MUTILATE THEIR SON'S DICKS!?!? And of course, Jeanette and Jazz want to know about his depth, though they made a joke of it, but either way, why are parents concerned on about how big of a dick can penetrate their son's am hole? "It's just the same as a cisgender womans!" Like....I have no idea of my vagina's depth? women don't put measuring dilators to get a feel of what they can fit up there?

This shit is just sick.

Another goddamn edit: I rewatched this clip, and both Jeanette and Noelle's mother did a similar thing, though Jeanette it was toward Jazz, and Noelle's mother towards the husband, when the show flipped to just the two of them talking. Jeanette would kind of glare at Jazz while he's talking about surgery, and Noelle's mother was glaring at Noelle's dad when he was talking of Noelle's surgery. Gotta make sure they say what you force them to say.

 

[T.E.R.F]

The fact Jazz seems to be friendless, makes me think he has no access to social media, unless it's under Jeanette's supervision. Because otherwise, why hasn't Jazz made any online friends?

This part is really unclear. I just can't imagine what Jazz' life would look like aside from being depressed and terminally online all day.

When I see clips from old seasons it all just feels like so long ago. The other seasons surely didn't feel so antagonistic, did they? I don't know if the family dynamic is genuinely changing or TLC is just not giving a fuck and giving us a deeper dive into this mentally ill circus.

Some random Exulansic sperging...I finally gave her Jazz videos a listen through in the background. She offers an interesting perspective, but she needs to take a step back sometimes. Like obviously everyone here is on the bangwagon that Jeanette is an insane fucking narc, but she seems to act like the whole family is some sinister gang of abusers who are intentionally poking and prodding Jazz every step of the way and loving it. She even seems to say Jeanette is completely complicit and understanding of what she has done and is now actively trying to avoid legal trouble? Always just one autistic step too far. Every line of dialogue gets picked apart with the least generous interpretation possible, even the siblings. And I'm not talking about the scenes where the family does genuinely bully and gaslight Jazz, but even the most mundane, routine conversations get twisted into evidence of some premeditated evil. I just think her notions of how the family members perceive and relate to one another are really far off. Even if they are Jazz's abusers, there's simply no way he sees them that way. They're all he has. And while I agree that Jazz is developmentally stunted, I don't know what gets accomplished by continuing to infantilize him and treat him like he's some giant, retarded baby with no agency. IDK, I just think when people get really fixated on evaluating everything through this mental health lens they start missing the forest for the trees.

Like, if I were Jazz and I stumbled across her videos, I wouldn't be like "Wow, there are genuinely people looking out for me and people that want to help me." I'd be like "What is this goblin creature obsessed with my family and how is it even more batshit insane than my mother?"

 

[TokiBun]

I was shocked by that fall Jazz took. Watching his family interact is already like watching aliens attempt to be human but them not even rushing to his side was bizarre. Jazz didn’t get up right away and his Mom didn’t seem bothered—why? How can any viewer watch this family and not think they’re insane?

 

[Putin Bot]

but she needs to take a step back sometimes. Like obviously everyone here is on the bangwagon that Jeanette is an insane fucking narc, but she seems to act like the whole family is some sinister gang of abusers who are intentionally poking and prodding Jazz every step of the way and loving it

Narcissists, all their children are pawns, and they know how to pit them against each other, while making sure narc mommy is never to blame. Narcissistic parents really fuck up their children, and unfortunately, when the mom is the narc and the husband is spineless and allows himself to be abused by the wife, unfortunately, that means the kids are abused, whether they know it or not.

An interesting parallel is that most serial killers had a dominating mother, and the father was a spineless cuck, who either would kill themselves, or abandon the family to get away from the narc wife.

This is why I can't join into feminist groups, despite how I might sound like one sometimes. They fucking post on how they've given birth to sons, and are afraid of how to raise him, because they believe all men are violent and liable to rape women.

I don't want to go into a sperg here, but there is a very delicate balance of boys finding their own masculinty away from their mothers influence, and if this balance is disrupted, there begins the hatred of women and violent fantasies towards them. I'm not saying.this is in true in all instances. In cases like Barbie Kardashian, he was clearly influenced by his violent father. But, there is a link into dominating mothers and their sons.

 

[Eggman's Ghost]

I was shocked by that fall Jazz took. Watching his family interact is already like watching aliens attempt to be human but them not even rushing to his side was bizarre. Jazz didn’t get up right away and his Mom didn’t seem bothered—why? How can any viewer watch this family and not think they’re insane?

I agree, that really bothered me too. No one went over to check on him besides the person who worked there. Jeanette and Greg just half-assedly said "you okay Jazz?" and didn't move a muscle towards helping him. I think they truly despise him since he's gotten fat

 

[bbin]

I was shocked by that fall Jazz took. Watching his family interact is already like watching aliens attempt to be human but them not even rushing to his side was bizarre. Jazz didn’t get up right away and his Mom didn’t seem bothered—why? How can any viewer watch this family and not think they’re insane?

I agree, that really bothered me too. No one went over to check on him besides the person who worked there. Jeanette and Greg just half-assedly said "you okay Jazz?" and didn't move a muscle towards helping him. I think they truly despise him since he's gotten fat

I noticed Greg seemed to be taking a picture, too, of Jazz just laying there. Weirded me the hell out. Edit: I went back and took a potato quality clip of it- you can clearly see Greg approaching with his phone up and when he lowers it, it's obviously in camera mode.

 

[T.E.R.F]

Narcissists, all their children are pawns, and they know how to pit them against each other, while making sure narc mommy is never to blame. Narcissistic parents really fuck up their children, and unfortunately, when the mom is the narc and the husband is spineless and allows himself to be abused by the wife, unfortunately, that means the kids are abused, whether they know it or not.

An interesting parallel is that most serial killers had a dominating mother, and the father was a spineless cuck, who either would kill themselves, or abandon the family to get away from the narc wife.

This is why I can't join into feminist groups, despite how I might sound like one sometimes. They fucking post on how they've given birth to sons, and are afraid of how to raise him, because they believe all men are violent and liable to rape women.

I don't want to go into a sperg here, but there is a very delicate balance of boys finding their own masculinty away from their mothers influence, and if this balance is disrupted, there begins the hatred of women and violent fantasies towards them. I'm not saying.this is in true in all instances. In cases like Barbie Kardashian, he was clearly influenced by his violent father. But, there is a link into dominating mothers and their sons.

I mean I don't wanna sperg about feminism either because it's beside the point here, but already, why does the "spineless cuck" father get a pass and the "dominating" mother is at fault here? Or moreover, the actual MEN killing everyone lmao. Like, mothers are at fault except it's only their sons killing people and not their daughters. I mean to me the implicit implication of your post is "Well yeeeah boys just have such a tough time finding this balance but clearly there's SOMEONE to blame..." Like why do women enter into this conversation? Why can't men just stop raping and killing people? Same with how a girl can be criticized for having "daddy issues" but there's no special word for the actual father who shirked his responsibilities.

 

[FruitFever]

I mean I don't wanna sperg about feminism either because it's beside the point here, but already, why does the "spineless cuck" father get a pass and the "dominating" mother is at fault here? Or moreover, the actual MEN killing everyone lmao. Like, mothers are at fault except it's only their sons killing people and not their daughters. I mean to me the implicit implication of your post is "Well yeeeah boys just have such a tough time finding this balance but clearly there's SOMEONE to blame..." Like why do women enter into this conversation? Why can't men just stop raping and killing people? Same with how a girl can be criticized for having "daddy issues" but there's no special word for the actual father who shirked his responsibilities.

If you don't want to sperg, then don't sperg fucking retard.

 

[Erica dansby]

Narcissists, all their children are pawns, and they know how to pit them against each other, while making sure narc mommy is never to blame. Narcissistic parents really fuck up their children, and unfortunately, when the mom is the narc and the husband is spineless and allows himself to be abused by the wife, unfortunately, that means the kids are abused, whether they know it or not.

An interesting parallel is that most serial killers had a dominating mother, and the father was a spineless cuck, who either would kill themselves, or abandon the family to get away from the narc wife.

This is why I can't join into feminist groups, despite how I might sound like one sometimes. They fucking post on how they've given birth to sons, and are afraid of how to raise him, because they believe all men are violent and liable to rape women.

I don't want to go into a sperg here, but there is a very delicate balance of boys finding their own masculinty away from their mothers influence, and if this balance is disrupted, there begins the hatred of women and violent fantasies towards them. I'm not saying.this is in true in all instances. In cases like Barbie Kardashian, he was clearly influenced by his violent father. But, there is a link into dominating mothers and their sons.

I don’t care if this comes off as a sperg rant, but I absolutely agree. I think the point you’re making about controlling and dominating mothers raising woman hating sons is absolutely valid. I think tranny chasing itself is born out of a deep seeded misogyny; how any “straight” man could get off on the clownish buffoonery of HSTS is beyond me. I don’t think the answer is that they’re gay or closeted, because they’re not going after regular masculine men, they’re getting off on the domination and humiliation of fucking or being fucked by a man in a dress. The violent fantasies can get introjected and bring you into the femdom world which really is a hop, skip and a jump away from the tranny virus. Without sounding too Jordan Petersonish, it is a primal impotent rage towards the devouring mother. You can’t even access this sort of literature anymore, it’s all been flooded by modern troon psychoanalytic theory from the past 5 years.

 

[Fupa Control]

Just more speculation- In a 41% situation that leads to a hospital stint, it’s common to be presented with a behavioral contract to sign promising you will never try to harm yourself again, among other things. It’s pure cover your ass material for whoever’s responsible for discharging but with Jazz’s emotional and intellectual immaturity I could easily see them thinking it’s some
sort of legally binding document and not just another cudgel for their psychotic mother to keep them in line. In which case a conservatorship isn’t even necessary.

 

[AMHOLIO]

But it’s seasoned trannies like TS Madison who sense the grift and call them out on their bullshit.

It's fascinating how the old guard recognize shit the young and out of the loop don't know. We need more people who've lived longer in the trans community who learn from first hand experience what happens, but they usually are fucked up themselves (like Bowers) or get drowned out by rabid unstable twitter users.

he'd never do it on his own, but he might do it when there's a new gravy train already there to hop on.

I'm gonna say it eon't be a calculated move either. Jazz just is so used to being told what to do that he struggles to find will of his own and he'll latch on to fit in, not for too higher up thinking reasons.

You can have a team of mental health professionals and have been institutionalized, they’re not exactly mutually exclusive.

Usually you get the former because you got the later, but a team of mental health professionals usually are working on the most unstable so it's no surprise if it is a group effort to toss one really difficult case into one to cool off for a bit.

This is why I can't join into feminist groups, despite how I might sound like one sometimes. They fucking post on how they've given birth to sons, and are afraid of how to raise him, because they believe all men are violent and liable to rape women.

I stay towards IRL feminists activities and try to speak for men in those groups. People who congregate online for feminism tend to be basement dwellers or too scared of the outside world. It's kinda like self help groups for men in that sense.


I really do feel bad that Jazz was forced to get something for someone else (future husband and Jeanette). Old school train of thought is that to be a real woman , you need a vagina. Jeanette knew this would cement true transness so that was her goal. The thought of keeping the originals never crossed her mind.

 

[Erica dansby]

I mean I don't wanna sperg about feminism either because it's beside the point here, but already, why does the "spineless cuck" father get a pass and the "dominating" mother is at fault here? Or moreover, the actual MEN killing everyone lmao. Like, mothers are at fault except it's only their sons killing people and not their daughters. I mean to me the implicit implication of your post is "Well yeeeah boys just have such a tough time finding this balance but clearly there's SOMEONE to blame..." Like why do women enter into this conversation? Why can't men just stop raping and killing people? Same with how a girl can be criticized for having "daddy issues" but there's no special word for the actual father who shirked his responsibilities.

The spineless cuck father doesn’t exist in a vacuum, it’s almost always in a dyad with the devouring, castrating mother. It’s a foile a deux.

And there is a special word for the father who shirked his responsibilities: deadbeat dad.

 

[GloriousChongus]

The fact Jazz seems to be friendless, makes me think he has no access to social media, unless it's under Jeanette's supervision. Because otherwise, why hasn't Jazz made any online friends? Trannies tend to be permanently online, and apparently they'll even visit each other as well.

It's clear Sanders is constantly posting online, but strangely, Jazz is not, unless it's something to pertain to the family or trans rights (and whatever else woke garbage). Also, it's strange that Jazz does not interact with other children who were transitioned and adults now. Or even other current trans kids.

They are keeping him isolated, and besides letting him go out to forage for food, every time he goes out he's accompanied by Jeanette, one of the siblings, grandparents, or entire family.

Jesus christ, shit must be really bad if Jeanette is trying to isolate him this much. That means that things off camera are much worse than we thought. I think that means that Jazz has come to some sort of realization of what's happened, and is probably desperate to talk with someone out of his family circle or TLC staff, because thanks to the constant gaslighting of his family, he can't really figure out if what has and is being done to him is wrong. This is definitely not going to have a happy ending.

As for losing depth, I remember reading a study that basically confirmed that no matter how diligent a troon is at dilating, they still end up losing depth, and I think width as well. The body will try to heal itself, despite all your attempts to stop it.

ETA; I found this clip of Noelle right before getting bottom surgery. Few things I've noticed. First, when Jazz is talking with Noelle's parents after Noelle is taken to the OR, he is sitting in a typical male fashion. Second, Jeanette is with Jazz with Jazz at the hospital, and is in every clip where Jazz talks about the surgery. Marci Bowers is of course the butcher! Noelle's dad literally sounds like a brainwashed cuck and there's no emotion in his voice. WHAT IS UP WITH THESE MEN WHO LET THEIR WIVES MUTILATE THEIR SON'S DICKS!?!? And of course, Jeanette and Jazz want to know about his depth, though they made a joke of it, but either way, why are parents concerned on about how big of a dick can penetrate their son's am hole? "It's just the same as a cisgender womans!" Like....I have no idea of my vagina's depth? women don't put measuring dilators to get a feel of what they can fit up there?

This shit is just sick.

Another goddamn edit: I rewatched this clip, and both Jeanette and Noelle's mother did a similar thing, though Jeanette it was toward Jazz, and Noelle's mother towards the husband, when the show flipped to just the two of them talking. Jeanette would kind of glare at Jazz while he's talking about surgery, and Noelle's mother was glaring at Noelle's dad when he was talking of Noelle's surgery. Gotta make sure they say what you force them to say.

I watched the Noelle video yesterday actually. Lots to unpack in that one.

 

[Finnegan the Supershark]

As pedantic and as autistic as she can be about it, Exulansic does have a point about the unknown changes and likely damages these hormone blockers are causing the brain.

Exulansic was not the first to notice that the puberty blockade and subsequent wrong-sex hormones affected Jazz's brain development. Her specific hypothesis, that this resulted in a hypothalamic condition contributing to Jazz's obesity, is untested. I don't think she's suggested otherwise. But the implications of the puberty blockers, as she's developed them, are indisputable.

We know that the desired cosmetic effects of puberty blockers are the tip of the iceberg. It's simply not credible, and never was, to suppose that the effects on the brain would be any less severe than those on the genitals. It would be misleading to characterize these effects as anything other than a brain injury, and there is plenty of evidence for this. For example, his lack of sexual attraction is a brain thing, not a penis thing. There might be effects that are more subtle but just as important. It's not reasonable to accept the obvious fact that the puberty blockade prevented his libido from developing while rejecting the possibility that it also affected things like appetite, self-control, judgment, planning, sleep, mood, et cetera.

We do not know the extent of Jazz's brain injury. We wouldn't even know in theory: it's not like we fully understand the brain and its development in the first place, let alone the effects of depriving it of necessary hormones during a crucial window; the effects of those effects, and so on; and how this will translate into Jazz's behavior and mental state. It is going to take a lot of research to find out what is happening to these kids, and it's not being done.

Given all this, as Exulansic points out, the assumption that Jazz's mental health problems, eating disorder, and physical health problems have a conventional etiology and treatment is not only wholly unscientific, but extremely cruel to Jazz. Does anyone really think that it's fair for the dietitian and Ari to treat Jazz as if he hadn't had this experimental treatment? It's a piece of the puzzle, just like the 17 pills, the abusive mother, the traumatic penis amputation and neovagina disappointment, chronic pain, a life of being groomed into a lie, the stress of being famous for genital mutilation. Any of these could be a sufficient cause of Jazz's eating disorder. But that doesn't allow us to dismiss the fact that WE KNOW HE HAS FUCKING BRAIN DAMAGE.

When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras - this is usually good advice. But it's bad advice when you're on safari.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Just a reminder that the show is filmed and edited. As far as we know, the fall is real, but the reactions are staged. They could have run to Jazz immediately, then asked to film again once they knew he was ok.

Also, Exulansic is not wrong about the whole family being abusers, she's wrong assuming malice is involved. Ari and the twins are adults now, but they were children along with Jazz, meaning they were also victims of Jeanette's narcissism. They never developed a normal relationship with their brother, they were taught that Jazz could die at any moment if something negative was even told at him.