Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once

[Behavioral Sink]

So if all these grown men with penises are still happy, brave and stunning trans women, why did Jazz need to have the hormones and surgery when he was still a child?

In the scenes where Jazz talks about and then meets TS Madison, he seems disturbed. In a much deeper way than when he deals with regular haters. The facial expression for, "What do you mean, she said I was crazy?" It wasn't just offended. There was suspicion, but with a hint of real curiosity.

Jazz and Jeanette met some sad autogynephilic old men in wigs over the years to put the fear of puberty into him. But the idea of other "trans" paths haven't been part of his family narrative. He didn't get to meet other trans "women" who liked sex and kept their penis.

I think the idea that TS Madison shared about how lots of "girls" go crazy after surgery is planted in Jazz's brain, and will continue to gnaw at him. Plus working at the surgeon's, he'll inevitably meet non-binary weirdos who get mixed surgical options. Or just top surgery, while leaving genitals alone. The scene with the FTM also looked like his brain was working overtime. Like it was dawning on him that top surgery to remove breasts is a thing, and he might have something to think about there-- except he's been traumatized enough by surgical procedures already, so maybe let's not think too hard about it. Or maybe he was thinking about what the FTM said about waiting until bottom surgery options are more advanced-- *that* probably brought up some feels.

 

[derpi]

There were a couple of posts on /tv/ talking about how Jeanette mentions Jazz having a gps tracker in season 1 and again in season 5 (the episode where they eat out with Ari?). Did anyone else catch this/have caps?

 

[Sathariel]

In a recent episode, Jazz was talking to Sander about sex and told him about having "kinda" had sex once, and not liking it, it is revealed there was penetration.
For you kiwis that follow the whole drama, please help me fill out the blanks:
who was it?
was it before or after the surgery?
did Jazz penetrate or was penetrated?

From following other trannies, it is of my understanding that a Neo-vagina is not safe for use until completely healed, that is, about two years after the surgery.
Has it been two years since the surgery?
Isn't there a possibility it closed up because he doesn't dilate often enough? So the neovag is probably not even functional.
Jazz seems to have been terribly depressed and only getting fatter since the surgery, so I suppose there has been absolutely no opening up to anyone at all, it doesn't even seem there have been recent friendships, the kid has been completely anti-social since the surgery.

Or could it have been that he tried to use his penis at least once before losing it?
Back-door perhaps?

Anyway, it must have been traumatising.

 

[supremeautismo]

In a recent episode, Jazz was talking to Sander about sex and told him about having "kinda" had sex once, and not liking it, it is revealed there was penetration.
For you kiwis that follow the whole drama, please help me fill out the blanks:
who was it?
was it before or after the surgery?
did Jazz penetrate or was penetrated?

From following other trannies, it is of my understanding that a Neo-vagina is not safe for use until completely healed, that is, about two years after the surgery.
Has it been two years since the surgery?
Isn't there a possibility it closed up because he doesn't dilate often enough? So the neovag is probably not even functional.
Jazz seems to have been terribly depressed and only getting fatter since the surgery, so I suppose there has been absolutely no opening up to anyone at all, it doesn't even seem there have been recent friendships, the kid has been completely anti-social since the surgery.

Or could it have been that he tried to use his penis at least once before losing it?
Back-door perhaps?

Anyway, it must have been traumatising.

Seriously doubt Jaron had penetrative sex. It’s a typical teen boy bad lie—“I TOTALLY had, uh, penetrative sex, sort of, with my girlfriend WHO’S TOTALLY REAL in Canada!”

The only penetration Jazz has had was through his mother raping him with a dilator, or whoever raped him as a toddler...

 

[Erica dansby]

There was also this idea in previous series that Jazz had to get the puberty blocker to save his life, and he had to get the amhole installed as soon as possible; before he went to college, before he even turned 18, so that he'd still be at home and around his family reminding/bullying him to dilate regularly. But Hope's a fully grown adult and still has his genitals, so he clearly made it to adulthood unscathed before he trooned out. Same with TS Madison who is quite open about having no intention of ever having his penis inverted, and he's still fine and just as "valid" a trans woman as anyone else. I don't know what Peppermint's junk is like but he's been banging the drum of "women with penises ARE women" at Sander this whole time too.

So if all these grown men with penises are still happy, brave and stunning trans women, why did Jazz need to have the hormones and surgery when he was still a child?

It’s kind of interesting how the show makes an argument for black trans woman being valid with their penises but the white trans women are always seen going for the snip. Is this a result of muh privilege? Has the show made that argument yet? If trans is just an ad campaign, then its the whites with money doing the advertising to the less economically advantaged blacks. But it’s seasoned trannies like TS Madison who sense the grift and call them out on their bullshit. At the end of the day, you’re better off with your dick. Back alley rubber cement butt injections and all, but dick and urethra still intact.

 

[Gen Yawp]

In a recent episode, Jazz was talking to Sander about sex and told him about having "kinda" had sex once, and not liking it, it is revealed there was penetration.
For you kiwis that follow the whole drama, please help me fill out the blanks:
who was it?
was it before or after the surgery?
did Jazz penetrate or was penetrated?

From following other trannies, it is of my understanding that a Neo-vagina is not safe for use until completely healed, that is, about two years after the surgery.
Has it been two years since the surgery?
Isn't there a possibility it closed up because he doesn't dilate often enough? So the neovag is probably not even functional.
Jazz seems to have been terribly depressed and only getting fatter since the surgery, so I suppose there has been absolutely no opening up to anyone at all, it doesn't even seem there have been recent friendships, the kid has been completely anti-social since the surgery.

Or could it have been that he tried to use his penis at least once before losing it?
Back-door perhaps?

Anyway, it must have been traumatising.

We don’t know who it was. He had that “boyfriend,” Ahmir a couple seasons back, but I doubt it was him. He seesawed between bored and disgusted when around Jazz, and seemed to only agree to be there because he wanted his 15 minutes. Jazz also was having surgery after surgery on his festering wound. I think the first flaying happened June 2018 (Jazz would turn 18 in October 2018 ), and he revealed he had the third surgery February 2020.

Jazz was on puberty blockers starting at age 11, and then estrogen just a couple years later, there’s no chance he ever penetrated anyone when he was left with a nonfunctional micropeen. Many post-SRS MtFs give up on stink-ditch penetration because it’s so worthless and painful. Jazz is even more likely than the typical troon because he had the experimental peritoneal-lining SRS with undeveloped junk that needed 3 surgeries in 1.5 years.

This season he revealed he “lost 2 inches” of depth. If a chaser perv got in there, it probably had to be aborted within a minute, and that may be why Jazz doesn’t think it counts. Maybe it wasn’t even possible to penetrate that and he resorted to the backdoor. Or straight up lied that any sex took place. Sander looked almost unnerved by the claim, and the way he asked Jazz about it was bizarre. “Was there penetration?” “Then it counts.” “Why did you consent?” Even with this family having no boundaries, can you imagine Sander asking Ari that? Even woke Sander doesn’t truly believe he a younger sister. He knows it’s a deformed brother.

 

[OldGuy]

Sander, as thanks for being so supportive we thought we do something special for you, so we set you up on a date with black tranny!!
SMILE!!!

 

[Swein Forkbeard]

In a recent episode, Jazz was talking to Sander about sex and told him about having "kinda" had sex once, and not liking it, it is revealed there was penetration.
For you kiwis that follow the whole drama, please help me fill out the blanks:
who was it?
was it before or after the surgery?
did Jazz penetrate or was penetrated?

From following other trannies, it is of my understanding that a Neo-vagina is not safe for use until completely healed, that is, about two years after the surgery.
Has it been two years since the surgery?
Isn't there a possibility it closed up because he doesn't dilate often enough? So the neovag is probably not even functional.
Jazz seems to have been terribly depressed and only getting fatter since the surgery, so I suppose there has been absolutely no opening up to anyone at all, it doesn't even seem there have been recent friendships, the kid has been completely anti-social since the surgery.

Or could it have been that he tried to use his penis at least once before losing it?
Back-door perhaps?

Anyway, it must have been traumatising.

I suspect it was some kind of abusive situation- not rape exactly but a situation where Jazz’s vulnerable state and lack of boundaries was exploited. I think it was someone within his circle of exploiters - not his family but someone in his troon network or even the production team on TLC. Whoever it was, Jazz obviously didn’t feel comfortable enough to share details which is weird because god knows he shares everything else about his body and life. I suspect this “penetration” incident is also linked in some way to his mental health “crash” that everyone on the show is so scared to talk about.

 

[Full Body Terfgasm]

We don’t know who it was. He had that “boyfriend,” Ahmir a couple seasons back, but I doubt it was him. He seesawed between bored and disgusted when around Jazz, and seemed to only agree to be there because he wanted his 15 minutes. Jazz also was having surgery after surgery on his festering wound. I think the first flaying happened June 2018 (Jazz would turn 18 in October 2018 ), and he revealed he had the third surgery February 2020.

Jazz was on puberty blockers starting at age 11, and then estrogen just a couple years later, there’s no chance he ever penetrated anyone when he was left with a nonfunctional micropeen. Many post-SRS MtFs give up on stink-ditch penetration because it’s so worthless and painful. Jazz is even more likely than the typical troon because he had the experimental peritoneal-lining SRS with undeveloped junk that needed 3 surgeries in 1.5 years.

This season he revealed he “lost 2 inches” of depth. If a chaser perv got in there, it probably had to be aborted within a minute, and that may be why Jazz doesn’t think it counts. Maybe it wasn’t even possible to penetrate that and he resorted to the backdoor. Or straight up lied that any sex took place. Sander looked almost unnerved by the claim, and the way he asked Jazz about it was bizarre. “Was there penetration?” “Then it counts.” “Why did you consent?” Even with this family having no boundaries, can you imagine Sander asking Ari that? Even woke Sander doesn’t truly believe he a younger sister. He knows it’s a deformed brother.

I can't imagine it feels very nice to be penetrated in the peritoneum. I don't believe that kind of sex could ever be pleasurable for Jaron. Perhaps some prostate tickling although he probably has a prostate the size of a pea. The thing about the vag hole is that it's almost totally surrounded by clit tissue underneath, so of course it wants stimulation, but peritoneum isn't going to give much zing.

 

[Gen Yawp]

I can't imagine it feels very nice to be penetrated in the peritoneum. I don't believe that kind of sex could ever be pleasurable for Jaron. Perhaps some prostate tickling although he probably has a prostate the size of a pea. The thing about the vag hole is that it's almost totally surrounded by clit tissue underneath, so of course it wants stimulation, but peritoneum isn't going to give much zing.

It’s probably a combination of numb and painful to this day, and it’ll never get better. Truly horrifying. Even when the butchers fashion a “clitoris” from the tip of the penis, it has its own set of problems. I wonder what would happen to someone like Jazz if they could transfer to testosterone. Could the prostate “recover” enough to make penetration worthwhile? There’s probably a window, and it closed long ago. Freaking horrible that this has been allowed to happen.

It’s kind of interesting how the show makes an argument for black trans woman being valid with their penises but the white trans women are always seen going for the snip. Is this a result of muh privilege? Has the show made that argument yet? If trans is just an ad campaign, then its the whites with money doing the advertising to the less economically advantaged blacks. But it’s seasoned trannies like TS Madison who sense the grift and call them out on their bullshit. At the end of the day, you’re better off with your dick. Back alley rubber cement butt injections and all, but dick and urethra still intact.

The show hasn’t made that argument, and it’s probably because the narrative is “whatever troons want and whatever they say they are, that’s the way it is.” It’s the only way to have such conflicting arguments: SRS is both life-saving, must be available ASAP AND totally unnecessary because women have penises too! Utter lunacy.

Black troons tend to be the HSTSs. They’re gay men through and through, and they like their parts. They also know there is a market for chicks-with-dicks, so most have no reason to get the chop. There are definitely some who want to “go stealth” (“attract“ hetero men), so they decide to get SRS, but it does seem less common than AGPs, who overwhelmingly represent white troons. They fetishize having “lady parts,” so that drives their desire for SRS. Some AGPs care about performative stereotypes and/or cross-dressing rather than ladyee parts. They’re the ones reeeeing about “women have penises” because they’d never part with theirs.

Of course, that does not include Jazz. Poor kid was groomed since childhood.

edited bc i cant spehl

 

[it's called nyotaika]

i think jazz genuinely could do face turn, but only in the specific situation where the rest of the world's already turning.

Spoiler: this was fucking long

now that he isn't the AGP jack-off fantasy and justification for teenage girls to try to flee their inevitable womanhood, he's going to become old news. he's been spoonfed attention and validation his whole life, and going cold turkey clearly was one of the factors sending him down on his bloat-spiral.

so he'll languish in a space where he only gets the bare minimum attention and assistance from The Kindest Community Of All to keep him from flaming out hard enough people won't be able to not notice and question the unquestionable i.e. questioning literally anything trans people demand from you at all.

then the tide turns, and because there's a zero-sum chance any of the trans kids and teens will take on the responsibility for fucking up their life, they'll take it out and blame their enablers, allowing them to be front and center number one victims yet again just like they were when they were threatening suicide for tit-chops.

but the majority will be ftm, and lmao nobody gives a shit about ftm. there's a space for being the FOREMOST front and center number one victim, and jazz will see his chance (or more realistically, someone else will and push him) to get that sweet sweet validation for simply existing again and a new excuse for everything shit in his life not actually being his fault.

he'd never do it on his own, but he might do it when there's a new gravy train already there to hop on.

also i believe the dark incident had to be institutionalization for a breakdown, not a suicide attempt. there is zero chance tlc and the goblins in his family would not milk the actual licheral trans suicide epidemic. sander would have a million anti-suicide vids already and they'd have a tearful confession of it in the first episode.

trans suicide is hot bc you can blame it on the tRaNsPhObIa of transfolx not getting to trample any boundary they want. mental breakdowns aren't nearly as sexy and implicate the family and their environment.

Like others have mentioned, he’s probably on pain meds. I’m not so sure it’s opioids. Since there’s been a crackdown on prescribing, many doctors don’t write them out like before, but with the disaster Jazz has below, it’s possible. Especially if you play the “dilation hurts without them, and it’ll close if stopped” card.

jeannette doctor shopped around until she found one that let her do all this to her son, she 100% could have managed to get an opioid scrip.

 

[Uncle Meat]

Have you guys ever watched or read a piece of media that reminded you of the whole Jazz fiasco?

Dr Seuss's The Sneeches

People don't wash out of college right away. They go through a semester and fail, and buckle down to do better on the next one and fail again. It takes about a year. Six months is too short a time. It isn't too short a time to start thinking about transferring to an easier school though. Jazz may be eyeing community college again... somewhere where she can "major" in transgender studies and write all her papers in the first person.

 

[Free the Pedos]

i think jazz genuinely could do face turn, but only in the specific situation where the rest of the world's already turning.

Spoiler: this was fucking long

now that he isn't the AGP jack-off fantasy and justification for teenage girls to try to flee their inevitable womanhood, he's going to become old news. he's been spoonfed attention and validation his whole life, and going cold turkey clearly was one of the factors sending him down on his bloat-spiral.

so he'll languish in a space where he only gets the bare minimum attention and assistance from The Kindest Community Of All to keep him from flaming out hard enough people won't be able to not notice and question the unquestionable i.e. questioning literally anything trans people demand from you at all.

then the tide turns, and because there's a zero-sum chance any of the trans kids and teens will take on the responsibility for fucking up their life, they'll take it out and blame their enablers, allowing them to be front and center number one victims yet again just like they were when they were threatening suicide for tit-chops.

but the majority will be ftm, and lmao nobody gives a shit about ftm. there's a space for being the FOREMOST front and center number one victim, and jazz will see his chance (or more realistically, someone else will and push him) to get that sweet sweet validation for simply existing again and a new excuse for everything shit in his life not actually being his fault.

he'd never do it on his own, but he might do it when there's a new gravy train already there to hop on.

also i believe the dark incident had to be institutionalization for a breakdown, not a suicide attempt. there is zero chance tlc and the goblins in his family would not milk the actual licheral trans suicide epidemic. sander would have a million anti-suicide vids already and they'd have a tearful confession of it in the first episode.

trans suicide is hot bc you can blame it on the tRaNsPhObIa of transfolx not getting to trample any boundary they want. mental breakdowns aren't nearly as sexy and implicate the family and their environment.

I'm inclined to think a mental breakown is just as marketable as suicide for troon points. Also, wouldn't it be hard to hide Jazz entering and leaving treatment? I know he's not an A list celebrity, but the tabloids will take what they can get. I'm inclined to think he had a breakdown but handled it outpatient style.

 

[it's called nyotaika]

I'm inclined to think a mental breakown is just as marketable as suicide for troon points. Also, wouldn't it be hard to hide Jazz entering and leaving treatment? I know he's not an A list celebrity, but the tabloids will take what they can get. I'm inclined to think he had a breakdown but handled it outpatient style.

could be. but given jazz's incredibly isolated circumstances, it couldn't be blamed on transphobia nearly as easily. especially since no doubt the kicker and focus would have been family-specific.

suicide is easy to victim away because it's one of the accepted mantras. it it always unquestionably transphobia, because like their other mantras if one case ever gets seriously questioned then that means the others aren't towering pillars of unquestionable rightness and the whole house of cards goes down. it can't be because mentally ill people are attracted to trooning out by the false promise of solving their numerous problems and then suicide anyway when it doesn't. that would mean self id isn't infallible and then people might start questioning the ones who are demanding into womens' locker rooms because they get off to sissy porn and nyotaika rape hentai. that's why they're the one who always defend the mantras most ardently.

meanwhile, a mental breakdown after trooning isn't the same because that involves both deeply personal circumstances (as opposed to the mantra it's the hazy, generalized transphobia that the whole world is to blame for) and their immediate external factors (which even this family isn't going to want confronted on tv.)

it's another house of cards; if jeannette and co acknowledge they have had a deleterious effect on jazz's health and his life at all, that pulls the first card from their house of cards and opens the gateway to acknowledging all the other horrible things they've done to them. you know, the everything they've ever done since he was a femme little gay boy at four.

 

[Full Body Terfgasm]

It’s probably a combination of numb and painful to this day, and it’ll never get better. Truly horrifying. Even when the butchers fashion a “clitoris” from the tip of the penis, it has its own set of problems. I wonder what would happen to someone like Jazz if they could transfer to testosterone. Could the prostate “recover” enough to make penetration worthwhile? There’s probably a window, and it closed long ago. Freaking horrible that this has been allowed to happen.



The show hasn’t made that argument, and it’s probably because the narrative is “whatever troons want and whatever they say they are, that’s the way it is.” It’s the only way to have such conflicting arguments: SRS is both life-saving, must be available ASAP AND totally unnecessary because women have penises too! Utter lunacy.

Black troons tend to be the HSTSs. They’re gay men through and through, and they like their parts. They also know there is a market for chicks-with-dicks, so most have no reason to get the chop. There are definitely some who want to “go stealth” (“attract“ hetero men), so they decide to get SRS, but it does seem less common than AGPs, who overwhelmingly represent white troons. They fetishize having “lady parts,” so that drives their desire for SRS. Some AGPs care about performative stereotypes and/or cross-dressing rather than ladyee parts. They’re the ones reeeeing about “women have penises” because they’d never part with theirs.

Of course, that does not include Jazz. Poor kid was groomed since childhood.

edited bc i cant spehl

yeah i can't imagine nipping off a pea sized chunk off your knob end and calling it a "clitoris" is going to give you anything close to an orgasm.
If anything flicking it would trigger painful memories of a once functional dick, balls, vas deferens, urethra, all shit that's now been severed and is riddled with scar tissue.

 

[Erica dansby]

I suspect it was some kind of abusive situation- not rape exactly but a situation where Jazz’s vulnerable state and lack of boundaries was exploited. I think it was someone within his circle of exploiters - not his family but someone in his troon network or even the production team on TLC. Whoever it was, Jazz obviously didn’t feel comfortable enough to share details which is weird because god knows he shares everything else about his body and life. I suspect this “penetration” incident is also linked in some way to his mental health “crash” that everyone on the show is so scared to talk about.

Others have speculated elsewhere that Jazz’ hole has already closed up and that was what prompted the mental breakdown. The “just barely” penetration could have been the result of that lack of depth. Like instead of a 7” canal maybe he only has 2” now and Jeanette raged out on him catalyzing a mental health crisis. It’s possible.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

Have you guys ever watched or read a piece of media that reminded you of the whole Jazz fiasco?

Yes, as I mentioned a couple pages back, An American Family, a PBS documentary from the 70s.

Obviously Jazz wasn’t born with PWS. That much is obvious as we’ve seen footage of jazz as a younger child. Exulansic has driven the point home again and again about Jazz’ PWS manifesting with the insatiable appetite, emotional lability, and the ankle flexibility. So don’t come here to cape for Exulansic. I think her latest Covid booster has made her even dumber than before. She will gladly shill for pharma when needed and is probably on a cocktail herself. She’s very much a Lyrica snowflake for muh rare disease.

What the fuck are you on about?

 

[Chicken In A Pot]

In this season especially, it's really starting to become apparent just how stunted Jazz is. In your early 20's, you're still technically a kid. Males take even longer to mature as well. So you're still at times rather immature and childlike, as well as growing wiser over time.

But it's different with Jazz. It's not that he's a sheltered kid in his early 20's. He seems genuinely mentally delayed. Like a fourteen year old in (an equally stunted) young adult's body. I wonder how long it would take for him to catch up, if ever. It can't happen while Jeanette is around.

I don't think Jeanette helps one bit, but I also think a lot more is going on than mommy issues. We honestly don't know what blocking puberty does to the brain. Perhaps our sex hormones do more for brain maturity than we realize. While I have a lot of sympathy for intersex people, for instance, they do seem less emotionally mature in comparison to the average normie. There is so much about hormones, human development, and the brain that we simply do not yet know, which is what makes these biochemical brain experiments even more horrifying. As pedantic and as autistic as she can be about it, Exulansic does have a point about the unknown changes and likely damages these hormone blockers are causing the brain.

 

[all4mom2]

IICR, between older seasons of the show, he had real friends he spent time with doing normal stuff kids do. Then two things happened between last and current season:

1. Covid. Most kids spent most time at home with their families, and Jazz was no exception. So, all this time, he's been locked in like most of us.

2. Those friends likely started college and moved on to new things and they have no time for Jazz now.

I would argue that Jazz hasn't had REAL friends since junior high/puberty. That's what separated them (interest in boys) into real girls vs. not real girl. Any friends shown since then have been fake, compensated, manufactured trans actor friends (two of the originals, whom Jazz pathetically identified as her "ride or die friends," make VERY rare and awkward appearances at the most once per season; it's obvious they have little contact).

 

[Peaches Demure]

I would argue that Jazz hasn't had REAL friends since junior high/puberty. That's what separated them (interest in boys) into real girls vs. not real girl. Any friends shown since then have been fake, compensated, manufactured trans actor friends (two of the originals, whom Jazz pathetically identified as her "ride or die friends," make VERY rare and awkward appearances at the most once per season; it's obvious they have little contact).

Yeah, I would say that his last "normie friends" drifted away sometime after he started attending virtual online high school. All his "friends" (and I use that term very loosely in this instance) following that transition (no pun intended) have been socially maladjusted gender specials. Noelle the Creep obviously hated his guts and only played the part of friend to Jazz because he wanted attention.