US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[Thomas Talus]

My leading theory right now is it was Biden, and the drugs.

More specifically, we know he's getting hopped up with some cocktail of sorts to try and keep him semifunctional. And I imagine he's both on it quite a lot for assorted official meetings, and its constantly being tweaked to try and find something that works better. I'm thinking the combination of a particularly good day, good mix of drugs, and luck lead to him being nearly functional, during discussion about his awful approval rating and media perception. And he got it in his head that he had to just actually talk to the media which they never let him do. If he was functional and determined enough, he is the president - they can't really stop him. And evidently he remembered this was his idea, and ignored their efforts to wave him off.

Only explanation that makes sense to me based on what we know so far, even though it makes a lot of assumptions.

Yeah, I get the feeling that Biden has been more-or-less going along amiably with what his staff tell him, but he got so fixated and they couldn't redirect him without making their implicit control of him explicit, which would have major repercussions if word got out.

 

[Oxous]

Arizona Democrat says some senators urging him to challenge Sinema with party at a 'breaking point'​

Spoiler: Full Article

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(CNN)Rep. Ruben Gallego says his phone has been ringing a lot recently -- with many Democrats making a pitch to him: Run against Arizona Sen. Kyrsten Sinema in 2024.

Among those making the case, he claimed, are Sinema's own Senate Democratic colleagues.

"It wasn't Bernie, I'll tell you that," Gallego told CNN, referring to Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders, who has said he's open to backing a primary challenge to Sinema.

"It's more than one" senator, he added before declining to say which of Sinema's colleagues are privately hoping she will face an intraparty fight.

And he said that in the last several days the courtship has only intensified.

"To be honest, I have gotten a lot of encouragement from elected officials, from senators, from unions, from your traditional Democratic groups, big donors," said Gallego, a seven-year House veteran. "Everything you can imagine under the sun."

It's rare for senators to back primary foes against someone from their own party, but there has been escalating tension over the role that Sinema and West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin have played in holding the line against the wishes of their progressive colleagues.

The most recent episode came on Wednesday night, when the two centrist Democrats voted with all Republicans to maintain the Senate's 60-vote threshold to overcome a filibuster on legislation, effectively torpedoing their party's ambitious plans to rewrite the nation's election and voting laws. Both senators backed the election legislation but said the filibuster must be maintained to prevent future Senate majorities from working their will over the minority party.

Sinema and Manchin also drew the left's ire by drawing a line against the $3.5 trillion price tag for President Joe Biden's Build Back Better plan, effectively slicing that proposal in half. And while it was Manchin who ultimately slammed the brakes on Biden's bill, Sinema forced the party to rewrite its proposal to increase tax rates on wealthy individuals and corporations, angering liberals by her stance.

Hours before Biden came to Capitol Hill for a final pitch to Senate Democrats on his voting bill last week, Sinema went to the floor to reiterate her long-standing opposition to gutting the 60-vote threshold to allow just 51 votes to advance legislation.

"And while I continue to support these bills, I will not support separate actions that worsen the underlying disease of division infecting our country," she said at the time.

In an interview Thursday, Gallego said the last few weeks have amounted to a "tipping point situation" among many in his party since there's been "a whole lot of frustration over a lot of things that have occurred in the past with Sen. Sinema, and this has kind of been the breaking point."

Sinema, who won her first term in 2018, could be vulnerable in a primary, said Gallego, who will make a decision on whether to challenge her next year.

"I think she's vulnerable because nobody in the state has seen hide nor hair of her for the last three years," he said.

And then the potential challenger unloaded.

"She hasn't had one town hall; everything she does is scripted," he said. "She says she refuses to negotiate in public, but we want to know who is she negotiating for? Is it for Arizonans? Or is it for the pharmaceutical companies or whatever other interests that she is more likely to have meetings with than it is with the actual constituents?"

Sinema's office shrugged off Gallego's comments but provided CNN a list of her meetings with constituents in recent weeks. Her office disputed the idea that she hasn't been visible in Arizona, noting she's had tele-town halls given that in-person town halls are rare during the coronavirus pandemic.

"Sen. Sinema and our team have recently held numerous virtual and in-person meetings with Arizona civil rights leaders, Arizona student groups, Arizona tribal leaders, Arizona military leaders, progressive leaders, Arizona local elected leaders and more," her office said.

On Thursday, some of Sinema's critics were still reeling from her stance over the filibuster.

Sanders, who caucuses with Democrats, called Gallego a "very good congressman," though he said it was "a little bit early" to talk about primary challenges in the next cycle.

"These are people who I think have undermined the President of the United States," Sanders said of Manchin and Sinema, adding: They "can expect to find primary challenges" in 2024.

"They have forced us to have five months of discussions that have gone absolutely nowhere," Sanders said of his two moderate colleagues.

Leaving a Senate vote on Thursday, Manchin said he's prepared for a 2024 primary challenge -- and didn't seem too concerned about Sanders' comments.

"I'm not a Washington Democrat, so the base they have is a different base than I have," Manchin told CNN.

Asked about Sanders, he added: "That's life today. That's life in politics today. I never believed that's a team sport."

 

[AnotherPleb]

I could never imagine worming up to a bunch of people for your own interest of keeping a spot. The whole "democracy in peril" crisis went from a meme to an obvious stated assertion with no benefit.

It's not about keeping a spot to them, it's about earning literally millions. How many of them would have had that same level of success in business?

It's not that simple.

Take yourself back to the summer of 2020. Major cities were burning on a regular basis, anarchists and other whackjobs were literally occupying territory in Seattle, Portland was a fucking warzone and the folks who were trying to stop BLM and Antifa from burning down the Federal Building were labeled as "Jack Booted Thugs".

People were outraged and the best the left could come up with was that "The owners of these burned out buildings were insured". That disgusted a lot of regular run of the mill folks.

When it happened, I wasn't particularly horrified about January 6th because that's what America had become.... Riots, as much as I loathe them, were a thing that happens. What I took away from it was that the right had sacrificed the moral high ground. We could no longer point to the riots of 2020 and say "Fuck those people".

Now if you are arguing with the left, you can't criticize Antifa smashing a guy in the face repeatedly and when he tries to escape in his truck and crashes, he's drug out of the truck and beaten within an inch of his life; without saying in the same breath "Fuck the January 6th rioters". You can't outlaw a party but you can portray them as violent insurrectionists. Dean Obeidallah, who hosts a radio show on Progressive 127 and is a CNN Contributor, spent the anniversary of 1/6/21 claiming that Trump is the equivalent of Bin Laden.

If 1/6 glows (and I'm starting to think it might), that's the reasoning behind it. If Joe Biden and his administration had been remotely competent, it could've worked. My Aunt, who's not particularly political, was horrified at the news coverage (and she bought the media's narrative that BLM and Antifa were just peaceful protestors) and was convinced that Trump incited an insurrection (and to be fair, I wished he'd have taken the L and come back... because I liked his policies).

Today, they're hyping it because that's all they've got. The problem is, they've jumped the shark. When you start comparing 9/11 to January 6th, it pissed a lot of people off.

I watched 9/11 in real time. People were jumping from buildings because falling 80 stories was preferable to burning to death. I remember trying to track down my Grandfather, who was flying from that day, but I couldn't get through because the switchboards were jammed on the east coast. I remember trying to call my friends in NJ, a place I had 2 years prior, because the news initially reported that the last plane went down in Somerville NJ and not being able to get through.

I remember going to ground zero a few months after and reading the letters people put up on the barricades. You want to talk about some gut wrenching shit, there were letters written by people who didn't have a body to bury and couldn't get the closure they desperately needed. So instead of a funeral, they wrote their eulogy on a piece of paper and nailed it to a piece of the barrier. There were hundreds, if not thousands, of them (and every one would make you bite your inner lip so you didn't weep like a bitch).

When they tried to sell the idea that a man in a Buffalo Hat wandering around stoned in the Capitol was the same as 9/11.... they burned all the capital they were going to get out of that. They wanted this to be a 9/11 but they overplayed their hand (by a lot).

The comparisons to 9/11 is why I always reread the SA thread that was archived on that day. 1/6 was no 9/11 and will never be one to 99.9% of Americans if you ask them in private.

 

[XYZpdq]

I assume that the MSM is reporting that primary offerings are getting "lol whatevs" responses means that things aren't going well? Because that was a pretty weak "attack"

 

[Game master arino]

it picks up in the second half when they start asking question, I think he goes full steiner math as his brain shorts out regarding the question about school masks or whatever is maybe about a 1h45m or so? maybe a bit further
but yeah that one is when he goes from "saying stupid shit" to "just sort of standing there silent for amazingly long gaps"

So joe biden is the house of leaves of presidents. Relatively normal start but his brain starts turning sideways and 27 pages are missing.

 

[Snekposter]

Reagan was an absolute chad. There was a protest going on outside the hotel he was staying in on an official visit to Spain, and, shirtless, drink in hand, he strolled over to the window and looked out on the crowd, who had no idea who he was from that distance, and said to Bill Buckley (who was traveling with him) "Come over here and look at this! They don't even know why they're angry at me." The Secret Service guys in the room about had kittens.

Don't forget the part where someone said, "Mr. President, you're shirtless!" and he went, "So? They won't know who I am."

Right now we've got the Virgina Dementia Joe vs. the Chad Alzheimer's Reagan.

I wonder how long that would go on and if it would just become a normal expected part of Virginia politics? Republican changes it to Baby Ambassador, then Dem gets in and changes it to Diversity Officer, back and forth and back and forth for decades.

You know, with what's going on in Virginia, it would be hilarious if Youngkin won solely because he could hide his power level and is in fact gearing up to go full roto-rooter on the Dems in his state in a way we wished Trump had done nationwide. Not only would the Democrat fuckery be gone, but the salt and tears from the Dems over him "sneaking in" would be delicious.

What could Trump possibly have done that was so threatening to the Dems that they committed sepokku over it?

Considering it wasn't until the last year or so he finally realized just how many snakes were in the D.C. Swamp, he would do his best to make them realize they were trapped in D.C. with him, not the other way around. He would have nothing to lose since he couldn't get a third term, and would scorch the earth in an attempt to remove everyone who refused to play ball. Things were shaping up to be very ugly for them. They were hoping that without the cheer of the crowds to keep him going he'd fade into irrelevance and his movement die off with him, but instead its now very, very personal, and a lot of people are really, really angry. It was a calculated risk, but man, are the Democrats bad at math.

One thing I find interesting as a believer in Hell and as I see some commentators maybe "feeling sorry" for an abused old man. Bidens current situation is exactly what I would picture as punishment in Hell for a hack politician. One who has always dreamed and schemed to be president while never accomplishing anything else in life but grifting, stabbing people in the back and never being held accountable for anything. Here we have Biden a hack politician whose entire life has been about stealing from tax payers and avoiding any accountability and now he finally gets to be president, only thing is, he is an abused puppet as everything burns and crumbles around him. Everyone hates him and his legacy will go down as the worst most ineffectual president in history and may also very well be remembered as a non assassinated president who either dies in office or is removed from office due to mental deterioration. Whats best and perhaps the most devastating aspect is that in all actuality he does not even know he is president. Its poetic really and it warms my heart.

You know how the saying goes: Hell is of one's own making.

@Oxous I no longer believe it is a bug, and increasingly believe the reply thing is some sort of throttling on longer posts. You disproportionately get hit by it.

Anyway, Klain is head of the Establishment faction within the admin. Thought I should throw that out here.


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This guy, this guy right here? Responsible for -all- of this. It was all his idea and he was the guy who got everyone on board.

Jesus Christ, talk about a walking stereotype of a sleazebag backroom dealer. He's like an uglier, oilier Tim Wise.

Are we seriously talking about FF7?

Its more interesting and enjoyable than Joe Biden.

I would literally do my State of the Union in MOPP4 and call everyone present nothing but welfare leeches and parasites.

My acceptance speech and swearing in, I'd do wearing a gas mask and laugh like a supervillain during the whole thing.

Be sure to scatter a few canisters of tear gas when you're done. Nothing quite like a little fumigation.

Which is why he needs to stay in Florida for at least another 4 years. Remain out of the swamp and continue to be molded by Trump into someone worthy of being his successor. And why Trump needs to remain alive for the duration of his terms in office.

Ron in 2028 at his inauguration: "Donald Trump merely adopted the swamp. I was born to it. Molded by it."
(Yes, its only vaguely fitting, but if anyone knows how to deal with nasty swamp critters, its someone from Florida.)

parts do, but the basic core is "there's a giant fucking crowd at the doors, and if we don't open the doors and let them into the tourist areas people are literally about to get crushed like some rock concert shit"

So is that why the Capitol Police fired tear gas into the crowd?

 

[MrJokerRager]

It's not that simple.

Take yourself back to the summer of 2020. Major cities were burning on a regular basis, anarchists and other whackjobs were literally occupying territory in Seattle, Portland was a fucking warzone and the folks who were trying to stop BLM and Antifa from burning down the Federal Building were labeled as "Jack Booted Thugs".

People were outraged and the best the left could come up with was that "The owners of these burned out buildings were insured". That disgusted a lot of regular run of the mill folks.

When it happened, I wasn't particularly horrified about January 6th because that's what America had become.... Riots, as much as I loathe them, were a thing that happens. What I took away from it was that the right had sacrificed the moral high ground. We could no longer point to the riots of 2020 and say "Fuck those people".

Now if you are arguing with the left, you can't criticize Antifa smashing a guy in the face repeatedly and when he tries to escape in his truck and crashes, he's drug out of the truck and beaten within an inch of his life; without saying in the same breath "Fuck the January 6th rioters". You can't outlaw a party but you can portray them as violent insurrectionists. Dean Obeidallah, who hosts a radio show on Progressive 127 and is a CNN Contributor, spent the anniversary of 1/6/21 claiming that Trump is the equivalent of Bin Laden.

If 1/6 glows (and I'm starting to think it might), that's the reasoning behind it. If Joe Biden and his administration had been remotely competent, it could've worked. My Aunt, who's not particularly political, was horrified at the news coverage (and she bought the media's narrative that BLM and Antifa were just peaceful protestors) and was convinced that Trump incited an insurrection (and to be fair, I wished he'd have taken the L and come back).

Today, they're hyping it because that's all they've got. The problem is that they've jumped the shark. When they started comparing 9/11 to January 6th, it pissed a lot of people off.

I watched 9/11 in real time. People were jumping from buildings because falling 80 stories was preferable to burning to death. I remember trying to track down my Grandfather, who was flying that day from the East Coast, but I couldn't get through because the switchboards were jammed on the east coast. I remember trying to call my friends in NJ, a place I had lived in 2 years prior, because the news initially reported that the last plane went down in Somerville NJ and not being able to get through.

I remember going to ground zero a few months after and reading the letters people put up on the barricades. You want to talk about some gut wrenching shit, there were letters written by people who didn't have a body to bury and couldn't get the closure they desperately needed. So instead of a funeral, they wrote their eulogy on a piece of paper and nailed it to a piece of the barrier. There were hundreds, if not thousands, of them (and every one would make you bite your inner lip so you didn't weep like a bitch).

When they tried to sell the idea that a man in a Buffalo Hat wandering around stoned in the Capitol was the same as 9/11.... they burned all the capital they were going to get out of that. They wanted this to be a 9/11 but they overplayed their hand (by a lot). That was a bridge too far for anyone who lived through that.

Why didn't New York go full red or GOP after 9/11 like go for Bush is an interesting question for me since that tragedy, they voted for a party that defends a cunt like Ilhan Omar.

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

So joe biden is the house of leaves of presidents. Relatively normal start but his brain starts turning sideways and 27 pages are missing.View attachment 2906303

I love what it does with typography, but god that book goes so far up it's own ass.

Don't get me wrong I love the movie in the story it's cool as shit sounding, everything else just bored me to tears.

 

[Exterminatus]

It's slightly worse than that. You see, Biden said something in his 2 hour presser that is going to be played in every single attack ad that it can fit in.

He claimed, "I am a mainstream democrat".

That line next to everything he has done and -god forbid- if the Democrat being run against has complained he isn't left enough for them. That one line means they -have- to lurch to the center to make the blows of showing that line lessen.

Just make a video montage with that tagline.

"I am a mainstream Democrat" - cue to empty shelves in stores across the nation

"I am a mainstream Democrat" - show footage from the failed Afghanistan withdrawal

"I am a mainstream Democrat" - show the massive amount of cargo ships sitting out in the water in California with nowhere to go

"I am a mainstream Democrat" - show the examples of rising cost of gas and food

"I am a mainstream Democrat" - shows the huge amount of illegals trying to force their way across the Mexico-Texas border into the US.

Something like that would be such a punch in the gut for Biden "If this is a mainstream Democrat, I think we've had enough America".

You could probably add more to it but those were the ones that came off the top of my head.

 

[XYZpdq]

Just make a video montage with that tagline.

"I am a mainstream Democrat" - cue to empty shelves in stores across the nation

"I am a mainstream Democrat" - show footage from the failed Afghanistan withdrawal

"I am a mainstream Democrat" - show the massive amount of cargo ships sitting out in the water in California with nowhere to go

"I am a mainstream Democrat" - show the examples of rising cost of gas and food

"I am a mainstream Democrat" - shows the huge amount of illegals trying to force their way across the Mexico-Texas border into the US.

Something like that would be such a punch in the gut for Biden "If this is a mainstream Democrat, I think we've had enough America".

You could probably add more to it but those were the ones that came off the top of my head.

better would be just the quote and the legally required paid for statement

 

[Jeremiah the Bullfrog]

Why didn't New York go full red or GOP after 9/11 like go for Bush is an interesting question for me since that tragedy, they voted for a party that defends a cunt like Ilhan Omar.

Iraq

 

[Gehenna]

Just make a video montage with that tagline.

"I am a mainstream Democrat" - cue to empty shelves in stores across the nation

"I am a mainstream Democrat" - show footage from the failed Afghanistan withdrawal

"I am a mainstream Democrat" - show the massive amount of cargo ships sitting out in the water in California with nowhere to go

"I am a mainstream Democrat" - show the examples of rising cost of gas and food

"I am a mainstream Democrat" - shows the huge amount of illegals trying to force their way across the Mexico-Texas border into the US.

Something like that would be such a punch in the gut for Biden "If this is a mainstream Democrat, I think we've had enough America".

You could probably add more to it but those were the ones that came off the top of my head.

It just keeps giving. And that's only to attack Biden. Imagine its uses on the senators and representatives downstream. That line lets any attack ads directly link Biden and them, unless the person -explicitly throws Biden buswards-.

 

[Eggplant Wizard]

Right, but the point isn't whether he could have done it or not, the point is that he was willing to. The tragedy is the person who was willing to try and give the various parts of the Empire more of an equal footing is the one that the idiot anarchists shot. It's up there with all of t he other dumb that surrounds WWI. "Hey, lets just keep throwing men at machine guns, if we walk into them harder it'll work this time," or "Hey, lets let our battlecruisers engage the German battleships, what's the worst that could happen?" or "Let's let Lenin through to Russia to destabilize them, what's the worst that could happen?"

Reminder that John Wilkes Booth (a Democrat) murdered Lincoln after the civil war, right when Lincoln was going to spend the rest of his Presidency rebuilding the South and heal the rift in the US. This singlehandedly gave us he carpetbaggers, Jim Crow and the KKK. Whenever someone in power is trying to actually fix something they seem to get shot by some no-nothing dipshit.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Why didn't New York go full red or GOP after 9/11 like go for Bush is an interesting question for me since that tragedy, they voted for a party that defends a cunt like Ilhan Omar.

The Iraq War and the banks. That's literally it, control NYC and the rest of the state does not matter.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Reminder that John Wilkes Booth (a Democrat) murdered Lincoln after the civil war, right when Lincoln was going to spend the rest of his Presidency rebuilding the South and heal the rift in the US. This singlehandedly gave us he carpetbaggers, Jim Crow and the KKK. Whenever someone in power is trying to actually fix something they seem to get shot by some no-nothing dipshit.

Lincoln had plans like returning the freed slaves back to Africa.

John Wilkes Booth never got support from former Confederates and was shocked to find out the Southerners were shitting on him.

 

[Oxous]

New Reuters/Ipsos poll dropped, and it is the first one to have been taken after the press conference fiasco. It was an online poll, sample is 1004 adults, and Democrats are massively overrepresented, but despite how trashy this poll is (the actually juicy ones will be out in a couple days) what's notable - as always - is how bad Biden's approval is in spite of the sample being dogshit.

In spite of likely/registered voters not being included, in spite of it being an online survey which naturally favors dogpiling, and the D+9 bias, Biden is still only at 43% approval with 52% disapproval. Imagine how bad it's going to look when Trafalgar's next set of polls come out.

 

[Gehenna]

New Reuters/Ipsos poll dropped, and it is the first one to have been taken after the press conference fiasco. It was an online poll, sample is 1004 adults, and Democrats are massively overrepresented, but despite how trashy this poll is (the actually juicy ones will be out in a couple days) what's notable - as always - is how bad Biden's approval is in spite of the sample being dogshit.

In spite of likely/registered voters not being included, in spite of it being an online survey which naturally favors dogpiling, and the D+9 bias, Biden is still only at 43% approval with 52% disapproval. Imagine how bad it's going to look when Trafalgar's next set of polls come out.

I must continue to remind everyone there is a week delay for polls. This poll would be using data from a week ago which took time to gain and compile. We will see the effect of this in a week from it.

 

[Oxous]

I must continue to remind everyone there is a week delay for polls. This poll would be using data from a week ago which took time to gain and compile. We will see the effect of this in a week from it.

The numbers are a week out of date despite the survey being conducted a day ago? How does that work? Or are the dates they give for it being conducted misleading?

 

[Gehenna]

The numbers are a week out of date despite the survey being conducted a day ago? How does that work? Or are the dates they give for it being conducted misleading?

Neither, the date given should be when it is released not when the data was gathered.

Addendum: What the fuck IPSOS

 

[Gehenna]

So, apparently, it was gathered a day ago... there is no fucking way that poll is accurate. Compiling and sorting for bad responses -alone- should take a full day. I can only assume they are using Conducted to means something very different from the industry norm, because all of their stuff is a day or two at most.