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I agree.

Look, getting breasts isn't fun. All of a sudden you're told to cover up (which is a whole other discussion in and of itself which I'm not going to start here), they're annoying and heavy and get in the way of basic tasks. The slightest variety from the norm makes you feel like they're an abomination. Gross older men look at you like you owe them something and gross teenage boys think they can ogle them like they're public property.

All of that to say: I get why an eighteen year old would like to get rid of her tits. I've known many women who would have. Hell, I was one of them. But a normal person that gets cause and effect, knows why that is a bad idea. They perform a vital function in feeding offspring. Babies used to die without their mother around, because there was literally no milk to be had. And even though formula is around nowadays - and Nestlé did it's best to sway public opinion - : breast still is best.

Next to that, they also play a big role in personal intimacy (sexual as well as during nursing). You know that when you 'yeet the teet' (god, that sounds retarded), you sign up for losing all of that. Not only with a full mastectomy, that also goes for regular breast reduction.

At eighteen you understand those consequences. Otherwise a lot more teen girls would get breast surgeries, is what I'm trying to say.
Honestly great input.
 
At 18 you don't understand shit. You might be an adult or almost an adult in the eyes of the law but your life experience and understanding of what it means to be an adult, or think that far into the future with mature reason and reflection, is still utter garbage. Your brain isn't fully formed and you're still high on reckless youth.

Teen girls don't get breast surgeries more frequently because if they don't have a troon label slapped on them. Doctors will actively question their decisions and in may cases flatly refuse. See all the women who can't get sterilized, don't have their pcos taken seriously, can't get breast reductions, etc. The bodies of healthy women are medically policed but she walked in with a trans label and suddenly medical safeguarding is thrown out the window in pursuit of authentic self in what is no doubt a mentally unwell woman.
Agree to all of this. The childfree groups twenty years ago were filled with women in their twenties and thirties who couldn't get their tubes tied, the reason was always "you might regret it".

Many of these women were victims of child abuse or had genetic issues they didn’t want to pass on. Others had known from childhood they didn't want to be a mother. Others, it probably was a passing fad. People are complicated.

Or if they could find a doctor, they often had to get their husband's permission. Some women were told no because they were unmarried and their future husband might want a child, even when they told the doctor that was a deal breaker for them, they were denied.

The older women in the community, the ones in their 40s or late 30s who did get their tubes tied said they never regretted it, or if they did it was a temporary regret that went away (usually because someone they know had a baby). Obviously there's a self-selection bias there, because unhappy women aren't going to join a childfree group, but I'm curious what the actual regret stats for tubals are, broken down by number of children. Do women who have no children when they get sterilized actually go on to regret it enough to justify denying it?

They made lists of doctors who would do these operations on childless women, what ages they were done at, and so forth.

I only hung out in the community for a year or so because the level of toxicity and hatred was too much, but this was a frequent topic, as evedenced by my remembering this much detail twenty years later.

I'm curious now if the childfree groups now tell women to claim to be trans, because all that safeguarding done "for the good of the woman" seems to get thrown out the window. If they do I imagine it's done in private, as I'm sure the communities are now infested with TIFs (TIMs all seem to have a pregnancy fetish) who would REEEEEEEEEEEE about lying about a ~srs medkil condtin~.
 
Thing is, tubals are far more “reversible” than what these young girls are getting, in that you can usually still get pregnant after a tubal even without doing anything to try to physically reverse it (it just requires IVF, so in other words pregnancy is expensive and requires more difficult steps but it is still physically possible).

Whereas plenty of these “trans” teenage girls are getting hysterectomies. You can’t come back from those if you change your mind.
 
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Thing is, tubals are far more “reversible” than what these young girls are getting, in that you can usually still get pregnant after a tubal even without doing anything to try to physically reverse it (it just requires IVF, so in otherwise pregnancy is expensive and requires more difficult steps but it is still physically possible).

Whereas plenty of these “trans” teenage girls are getting hysterectomies. You can’t come back from those if you change your mind.
Hysterectomy also has long term negative physical side effects, whether it’s partial (uterus only) or full (uterus and ovaries and the rest). It’s a major surgery, and doctors have been trying to do fewer of them as a treatment for gynecological conditions because they have so many negative outcomes.

I stand with doctors on not sterilizing women under 25 unless they have truly horrendous genetic conditions or whatever. It’s not absurd to say a lot of 18 year olds who don’t want kids will change their mind. So the fact that doctors will do this on FTMs is just ???. I’ve seen it being done to minors! What is the ethical justification for this?
 
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You could argue that mosaicism isn’t particularly rare (I mean, you could describe all females as being mosaics because of X inactivation. Just another thing transwomen will never have)

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I am curious, how would you even wind up with XX/XY mosaicism (as opposed to XX/XO or XY/XXY) though? I understand it in chimerism when you swallow a twin or something but otherwise how does it happen?

I am so tired of these people appropriating conditions and lying. Of course, absorbing a female twin is a good metaphor for MTF troonery overall, but even if it happened (which it didn’t) it doesn’t make him a woman.
An XXY Zygote splitting into two distinct lines of XX and XY, related to Klinefelter syndrome where the mosaic is XXY/XY. That's what they think happened in Foekje Dillema's case, where researchers went and located genetic material way after the fact and found that she was an almost 50/50 split, right down to the skin cells.

There's also the potential for 2 zygotes aggregating into a single embryo, essentially fraternal twins glued together, but technically that's a chimera, like you said. It doesn't produce the 50/50 split that researchers saw in Dillema's case.

I note the even in the article I quoted, the researchers say

We would like to emphasise that the term hermaphrodite, as well as other terms such as intersex, need to be replaced by the DSDs classification proposed by consensus in 2006,13 for the simple reason that the terms hermaphrodite and intersex cannot, and should not, be applied to human individuals. Instead, a true hermaphrodite is correctly referred to as either a female or male individual with ovotesticular DSD

Foekje was registered and raised as a girl/woman, and there was never any indication that she operated as anything else. She never acquiesced to an inspection of her body, so it's possible that she had ambiguous genitalia, but most people with ovotesticular DSD are raised female. People with DSDs are the one case where there is a little bit of messiness when it comes to how to identify them, but it doesn't come from the same place as trans nonsense. It's essentially coopting the DSD experience.
 
An XXY Zygote splitting into two distinct lines of XX and XY, related to Klinefelter syndrome where the mosaic is XXY/XY. That's what they think happened in Foekje Dillema's case, where researchers went and located genetic material way after the fact and found that she was an almost 50/50 split, right down to the skin cells.

There's also the potential for 2 zygotes aggregating into a single embryo, essentially fraternal twins glued together, but technically that's a chimera, like you said. It doesn't produce the 50/50 split that researchers saw in Dillema's case.

I note the even in the article I quoted, the researchers say



Foekje was registered and raised as a girl/woman, and there was never any indication that she operated as anything else. She never acquiesced to an inspection of her body, so it's possible that she had ambiguous genitalia, but most people with ovotesticular DSD are raised female. People with DSDs are the one case where there is a little bit of messiness when it comes to how to identify them, but it doesn't come from the same place as trans nonsense. It's essentially coopting the DSD experience.
My bad for not clicking the link I suppose! That’s gotta be stunningly rare, though, right? First you have the already-low odds of Klinefelter and then the odds of splitting along those exact lines.

But I am 100% sure that at least two dozen trans Redditors will claim to have that exact condition in the next 6 months alone (and will all somehow just happen to be phenotypically male)

I agree with the people in the article that the name “true hermaphrodite” is stupidly misleading. Humans can’t be hermaphrodites, and it’s also just a weird dehumanizing term (except if you’re a troon I suppose).
 
There was a survey done by PRRI last year, I linked it quite a while back, I can find it again if people want it, that said most people across party lines agreed that trans people should not be discriminated against, but they should pee in bathrooms of their natal sex, play sports in their natal sex, and go to prison in their natal sex.
Honestly I genuinely think that the majority of us tranny haters wouldn't actually be that hostile towards them if that was their overall aim, but AGPs and Narcs and Cluster B's and other fucking weirdos as well as the constant infighting within the LGBT commuity has made it actually impossible for the trannies to even unite on ONE common purpose that would cause unity. Everyone's out for themselves and willing to fuck over the entire collective over someone's feelings getting hurt.

I still think even if they did come up with a reasonable common goal it wouldn't end well. The current trans movement is putting a rottweiler in a cage with a child. Sure I mean it MIGHT not massacre the child, but I'm not taking that risk.
Agree to all of this. The childfree groups twenty years ago were filled with women in their twenties and thirties who couldn't get their tubes tied, the reason was always "you might regret it".
I remember checking out childfree groups just a few years ago (back when I was thinking of getting the snip) and noticed the exact same reaction. Without doxxing myself, every single medical website in my country relating to getting a vasectomy ENCOURAGES you to have at least one or more kids first. A single straight man with no kids getting his testes burnt off is somehow a cause for concern but put a wig on 'her' and oh boy, cut the whole fucking thing off and turn it inside out.
 
My bad for not clicking the link I suppose! That’s gotta be stunningly rare, though, right? First you have the already-low odds of Klinefelter and then the odds of splitting along those exact lines.

But I am 100% sure that at least two dozen trans Redditors will claim to have that exact condition in the next 6 months alone (and will all somehow just happen to be phenotypically male)

I agree with the people in the article that the name “true hermaphrodite” is stupidly misleading. Humans can’t be hermaphrodites, and it’s also just a weird dehumanizing term (except if you’re a troon I suppose).
Yes, I don't remember where I read this but even with chimerism, which is more common in nature, there's still been only a few dozen recorded cases in humans.

It's such bullshit that troons use DSDs to validate their nonsense. Intersex advocates have spent decades arguing the fact that their conditions didn't make them not men and women. And you have these idiots arguing that these conditions they don't even have does make them gender aliens.
 
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I was wondering what had happened with Alicia (of the joyous "dress go spinny" pictures), so did some digging, aaannndd

Bwah ha ha he made a coming out video. This guy was my very first 'ugly tranny' avatar, which was my FIRST avatar, back in Jan 2020. Who in the world did NOT know Terrence here is a troon? Dear god. "Some of you may have heard about this in other ways"

LOL like when you doxxed him in Jan 21.
 
They're not able to sign contracts or take out loans. But sure, they're mentally mature enough to decide to have life-altering body surgery.
That's the wrong angle to take when trying to argue "X shouldn't be legal until you're 18!" We let kids do much more dangerous shit than signing contracts or taking out loans before they turn 18.

We pretty much universally grant 16 year olds the legal privilege of operating a motor vehicle without supervision. You can do a lot more than mess up your own body with a 3,000+ pound mass of plastic, metal and glass on wheels with 150+ horsepower at your command. You can kill (lots of) people, cause immense property damage and destruction, disrupt the normal activities of thousands of people if you cause an accident, etc. And it can happen in an instant, as the result of a split second of poor decision making, anger, panic or simple inexperience.

We let them take jobs at 16 with few (if any) restrictions beyond max hours per day/week, and even younger than that with modest restrictions on venue (no steel mills) and work tasks (hands off the forklift). We don't even particularly care about kids barely entering their teens working on (real) farms handling animals and equipment many times their size and strength.

Then there's sex, which we (collectively) never want our kids to ever do because no boy/girl is ever good enough for our son/daughter, but we all know they're gonna do it whether we call it "illegal" or not and so we just slap a number on it (16 or 18 depending on region) and hope for the best. Raising the age of consent to 18, teaching abstinence-only and hounding 17 year-olds for holding hands didn't reduce the teen pregnancy rate -- it raised it (and it made the nation's degenerates insufferably smug in the process). Nothing makes a rebellious teenager want to do something more than telling them they can't.

Are people under 18 mentally mature enough for, well, any of this shit? Nah. But neither are 18 year-olds (contracts, loans, smoking, most adult-only activities besides drinking and gambling). Neither are 21 year-olds (drinking and gambling). Or 25 year-olds (lower insurance rates, car rentals). Or even fucking 50 year-olds (finally permitted to buy nice cars without "mid-life crisis" accusations). Show me a 55 year-old man who doesn't giggle at Forklift Driver Klaus and I'll show you a man you should never play poker with.

The training wheels have to come off at some point, and people eventually have to start learning through their own experiences and reasoning. Yeah, people are gonna get hurt here and there, but for the most part it all works out okay. Coddling people forever by excusing their dumb decisions because of their age produces weak, dumb people who make dumb choices and hurt themselves more in the long run.

Blame the parents, therapists, doctors, groomers and the internet in general for teenage trooning if you want, but I have to agree with the sentiment that the buck stops with the patient. If you lack the tiny bit of self-preservation instinct it takes to realize "no, slicing off my breasts/penis/testicles/whatever is not going to feel good and I should not do this," then perhaps your sole purpose in life is to serve as an example to others.

I know someone who considers herself bi, but also essentially straight and not part of the LGB because all of her relationships have been with men.
Then you know a straight woman who's trying to make herself seem more interesting by pretending superficially to be attracted to women.

Bisexuals piss everyone off (on both sides of the fence) because they're the vegans of the bedroom. They're even pickier than gays and always make sure to let everyone know they're bi, but "just aren't into you." But they're totally bi though. Did they mention they're bi yet? Because they're bi.
 
Antiwork tranny janny has a rape history :story: You just can't make this up

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I don't get the chessboard. Is that supposed to be a checkmate? Because it's not. White could go on until black got bored and avoid a mate. Black is looking at a stalemate at best there if white fucks up (unless I'm missing something super simple, it has been a long day.)
You're expecting these lunatics to get a detail like that right? They're already famously divorced from logic. I doubt there's much overlap between "chess savant" and troon.

Gross older men look at you like you owe them something and gross teenage boys think they can ogle them like they're public property.
jfc no wonder nobody wants to bother with dating anymore. I can't imagine the hysterics if someone ever makes the mistake of saying "hello" politely.

Edit: lol, you neg-rating simps, she's not going to have sex with you.
 
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The thing that pisses off the gays about bisexuals, is the majority of bisexuals want strictly hookups with the same sex, not actual relationships with them. Even if they do enter a relationship with them, they'll be quickly dumped for someone of the opposite sex. Even more insulting, is a lot of supposedly bisexuals, want to do threesomes with someone the gay person is sexually incompatible with, or just want a little side fling because they're bored in their heterosexual relationship.

Bisexuals just need to stick to other bisexuals. Gay men don't seem too concerned about hooking up with bi men, since they're looking mostly for sex anyway, but it is disheartening for lesbians, who genuinely want a relationship, and are basically just used until the bisexual chick dumps them for a man, or was just experimenting, or expects them to be ok with them having sex with men on the side.
 
The thing that pisses off the gays about bisexuals, is the majority of bisexuals want strictly hookups with the same sex, not actual relationships with them. Even if they do enter a relationship with them, they'll be quickly dumped for someone of the opposite sex. Even more insulting, is a lot of supposedly bisexuals, want to do threesomes with someone the gay person is sexually incompatible with, or just want a little side fling because they're bored in their heterosexual relationship.

Bisexuals just need to stick to other bisexuals. Gay men don't seem too concerned about hooking up with bi men, since they're looking mostly for sex anyway, but it is disheartening for lesbians, who genuinely want a relationship, and are basically just used until the bisexual chick dumps them for a man, or was just experimenting, or expects them to be ok with them having sex with men on the side.
get the salt out of your vagina, lezzie.
 
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There's been an absolute fuck load of retarded things shared in this thread but this just might be the clincher for me. A biological woman who looks like a woman and who is fine with being called "she/her" is in a relationship with a straight man but this isn't a straight heterosexual relationship because she also accepts "they/them", in fact she is only "straight passing." This relationship involves a woman getting her biological pussy getting stuffed full of biological cock by a man. But because she dyes her hair and talks about gender too much, she gets to claim she's in some sort of queer relationship. Outstanding. Not one of these people will ever accomplish anything
I knew a woman who was "nonbinary" and in a relationship with a guy (read: simp). She would constantly talk about how her boyfriend was "queer" because he was fucking a woman who looked like a woman but who didn't call herself a woman. They were not in a "heterosexual" relationship, but a queer relationship. It was a complete have your cake and eat it too situations. She got the parade around the fact that she was a member of the 2SLGBTQIA+ community, but also get her pussy stuffed by cock and experienced a standard relationship where he worked and she did social justice nonsense online.
 
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