RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

[Random Internet Person]

Can I be entirely honest and just say that I hate Cinder because her VA is shit? That's probably why I'm stuck on keeping anyone other than her as the 'main' villain. The less I have to hear her speak, the better. It's petty and shallow, I admit, but that's the truth of it.

You’re not alone in thinking that Jessica Nigiri is a bad VA. Although some could say that she’s been given bad direction.

 

[Mega Black]

They made two that I'm aware of, RWBY Chibi was alright but it was a skit show composed of bite sized sub-minute long skits ala Robot Chicken but less vulgar. It was alright. And then they made one called RWBY Legends or RWBY Fairytales or some shit like that, I have not seen anyone say a single good thing about it.

Chibi has better characterization for most of the cast than the main show. The characters are the only halfway decent thing about RWBY so that's why people tend to consider it 'good', when it's at best 'inoffensive'. I watched all of Fairytales and they're pretty terrible. The art-style doesn't fit in with the established RWBY aesthetic, everything looks like shit and they freeze-frame all the action. They're meant to be fables, so of course they're written with extremely childish morals and lessons in mind. You could consider them nice supplementary material I guess, except for the episode that is heavily implied to be Tai's backstory. Can't wait to see that garbage get retconned at the speed of light.

you'd be more likely to find consistent content if you looked at the rewriters/critics as a whole. Sleazy is right that we'd need a mole to keep things going for just Celtic, which for FRWBY would require someone to be willing to draw a ton of stuff for free, or befriending someone who's already in the project. But between him, Fatman, Dashie Li, Freeman, the Remnants project, etc, you'd probably find some good stuff.

The Tundra used to be patreon locked only, is that still the case? I'd be surprised if anyone still used it. It seems like Fatman's more interested in dropping 'hot takes' on Twitter for 10 likes a pop than he is actually working on or discussing things with anybody. Raymond seems to have most of his autism contained to his server of slave labor, Dashi strikes me as similarly insulated, though you'd probably get some good laughs by observing her small army of simps and weebs prostrating themselves before her. I've always used FRBT's 'downfall' of sorts to her awkward insertion into their sphere by sheer virtue of having a vagina, but she's pretty boring on her own. I'm new to The Remnants project, is that some kind of forum roleplay like it looks or is this some new well of autism I haven't discovered yet?

 

[Ensok]

You know even with the problems of Salem and everything, that backstory episode in Volume 6 was the first time I had enjoyed RWBY or found it interesting since Volume 3. I even went "Oh, is the show good again?". Still don't like a lot of the lore, and retconning, and the gods, but I thought the episode itself was good and I was engaged while watching it.

Also as far as FRWBY goes I feel like it's only getting discussed so much just because of the current drought we're in anyways. Once 9 gets closer and comes out there will be more actual things to talk about.

 

[Mega Black]

You know even with the problems of Salem and everything, that backstory episode in Volume 6 was the first time I had enjoyed RWBY or found it interesting since Volume 3. I even went "Oh, is the show good again?". Still don't like a lot of the lore, and retconning, and the gods, but I thought the episode itself was good and I was engaged while watching it.

Also as far as FRWBY goes I feel like it's only getting discussed so much just because of the current drought we're in anyways. Once 9 gets closer and comes out there will be more actual things to talk about.

Salem's backstory was apparently one of the first things written for the show, likely with Monty's involvement, I feel like that probably helped a lot. I honestly don't have many issues with it, but I hate how they didn't run with the characterization established for her, setting her up as a villain who wanted to replace the gods who had wronged her with a vague motivation to suicide via planet destruction.

It felt like the original draft had placed her as one of the villains who wanted to take over as a new God, which would be more interesting or at least facilitate the show better, and somebody decided that the suicide world destruction angle would be a better direction later.

 

[Ensok]

Salem's backstory was apparently one of the first things written for the show, likely with Monty's involvement, I feel like that probably helped a lot. I honestly don't have many issues with it, but I hate how they didn't run with the characterization established for her, setting her up as a villain who wanted to replace the gods who had wronged her with a vague motivation to suicide via planet destruction.

It felt like the original draft had placed her as one of the villains who wanted to take over as a new God, which would be more interesting or at least facilitate the show better, and somebody decided that the suicide world destruction angle would be a better direction later.

Hard to say, consistency has never been this show's forte. But man, both those gods were complete dicks. If they ever come back, and Ruby doesn't tell them off, that's a huge disappointment.

 

[Chilson]

So did the show ever become good?

Nope, never was good and only got worse.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Chibi has better characterization for most of the cast than the main show. The characters are the only halfway decent thing about RWBY so that's why people tend to consider it 'good', when it's at best 'inoffensive'. I watched all of Fairytales and they're pretty terrible. The art-style doesn't fit in with the established RWBY aesthetic, everything looks like shit and they freeze-frame all the action. They're meant to be fables, so of course they're written with extremely childish morals and lessons in mind. You could consider them nice supplementary material I guess, except for the episode that is heavily implied to be Tai's backstory. Can't wait to see that garbage get retconned at the speed of light.

Tai got a backstory? What?

 

[Rhymes 19]

The Tundra used to be patreon locked only, is that still the case? I'd be surprised if anyone still used it. It seems like Fatman's more interested in dropping 'hot takes' on Twitter for 10 likes a pop than he is actually working on or discussing things with anybody. Raymond seems to have most of his autism contained to his server of slave labor, Dashi strikes me as similarly insulated, though you'd probably get some good laughs by observing her small army of simps and weebs prostrating themselves before her. I've always used FRBT's 'downfall' of sorts to her awkward insertion into their sphere by sheer virtue of having a vagina, but she's pretty boring on her own. I'm new to The Remnants project, is that some kind of forum roleplay like it looks or is this some new well of autism I haven't discovered yet?

It is, sorta. It wasn't for a good while, now they're supposedly culling the non-patrons. It's taken them like 3 months for some reason and they still haven't done it. Raymond does pop by the Tundra every now and again, mostly to post tween girls, but Fatman is entirely absent. Outside of promoting her VTuber streams in which she sits around and makes awkward conversation with another dude for 3 hours, she rarely interacts with the server. She does, however, have a Patreon tier that promises friendship with a hyper-bubbly big tit human Rainbow Dash.

Remnants is a supposed upcoming rewrite that in the course of over a year has put out nothing more than a couple shorts and a mediocre "Mirror, Mirror" ripoff. It's run by a dude called SYTO, whose lyrical prowress should give you insight into the type of writer he is (with bonus markups I did to show him how I revise songs).

Fancy words = smart and poetic. When I asked him if the main theme could be lighter in tone, he got angry and asked "haven't you seen what we've put out." The dark themes in what little we have include Jacques being a monster-cape wearing father who criticizes his daughter, which effectively puts the series on the same level of maturity as Pokemon Sun and Moon.

Spoiler: How that went

Leftmost column is his lyrics, then my comments, then a couple version I wrote up.

You can see how seriously he takes this whole thing in his mind. Maybe if he adds themes of inevitability, corporate neglect, humanity's drive to find enemies instead of common goals, and the effects of grief, he could perhaps reach the "darkness" levels of Pokemon ORAS.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I'm new to The Remnants project, is that some kind of forum roleplay like it looks or is this some new well of autism I haven't discovered yet?

The guy running the show is named SYTO, I hate to use the word Stan but he is an actual honest to god Monty Oum Stan who drank the entire pitcher of "Monty was a generational talent and also a total genius and every single thing in Shane's Letter was absolutely true" Kool-Aid by himself, he talks about his reasons for doing the RWBY:Remnants project and he makes it sound like it is morally imperative that RWBY be fixed, that everything after Volume 3 is literally opening up the mouth of Monty's corpse and shitting in it. His solution is to take RWBY and make it darker, edgier, complicate the shit that doesn't need to be complicated and then make all the main characters less interesting.

Spoiler: RWBY:Remnants

It took them eight months to go from this:

to this:

in which a singer who cannot hold a note to save her life sings the most on the nose character theme in the history of the world.
An Australian VA cannot decide whether she wishes Nora to be Irish or Scottish and so picks both simultaneously:

And last but certainly not least his magnum opus 45 minute lore video in which he spends almost half the run time not discussing lore and then the other half making the already kinda dumb RWBY lore worse:

In defense of SYTO he is a decent manga artist but he's not the brightest bulb and his taste in music sucks.

 

[The Periodic Gamer]

Honestly, at this point, I think that getting a high functioning autist on each one of these teams would only make them better. Literal spergs can actually worldbuild, unlike normal, regular, faggy spergs.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Honestly, at this point, I think that getting a high functioning autist on each one of these teams would only make them better. Literal spergs can actually worldbuild, unlike normal, regular, faggy spergs.

Yes and no, the issue with worldbuilding is that it quickly takes center stage over the important details of plot and characters in favor of background nerd shit that no one cares about except for the guy doing the four hour youtube lore videos.

 

[Random Internet Person]

The guy running the show is named SYTO, I hate to use the word Stan but he is an actual honest to god Monty Oum Stan who drank the entire pitcher of "Monty was a generational talent and also a total genius and every single thing in Shane's Letter was absolutely true" Kool-Aid by himself, he talks about his reasons for doing the RWBY:Remnants project and he makes it sound like it is morally imperative that RWBY be fixed, that everything after Volume 3 is literally opening up the mouth of Monty's corpse and shitting in it. His solution is to take RWBY and make it darker, edgier, complicate the shit that doesn't need to be complicated and then make all the main characters less interesting.

Spoiler: RWBY:Remnants

It took them eight months to go from this:

to this:

in which a singer who cannot hold a note to save her life sings the most on the nose character theme in the history of the world.
An Australian VA cannot decide whether she wishes Nora to be Irish or Scottish and so picks both simultaneously:

And last but certainly not least his magnum opus 45 minute lore video in which he spends almost half the run time not discussing lore and then the other half making the already kinda dumb RWBY lore worse:

In defense of SYTO he is a decent manga artist but he's not the brightest bulb and his taste in music sucks.

Here's some more shit from his channel:

And finally, the one where he talked about what this thing actually is:

Also, the comments on that Nora video seemed to settle on Scottish for the accent.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Also, the comments on that Nora video seemed to settle on Scottish for the accent.

Definitely more Scottish than Irish but it's a James Doohan Scottish at best. And the German accent that the Weiss VA is trying for is a crime.

 

[Rhymes 19]

Yes and no, the issue with worldbuilding is that it quickly takes center stage over the important details of plot and characters in favor of background nerd shit that no one cares about except for the guy doing the four hour youtube lore videos.

For once I'd want someone who doesn't care much for worldbuilding to lead the writing. I agree with Sleazy, plot and characters are paramount. People will always latch onto characters the most. Want proof? Fire Emblem Awakening has a nothing story, but its colorful cast let it save its own franchise. Most people want to see people. They want to have fun, they don't want to have to take a semester of your Generic Fantasy World History class.

The guy running the show is named SYTO, I hate to use the word Stan but he is an actual honest to god Monty Oum Stan who drank the entire pitcher of "Monty was a generational talent and also a total genius and every single thing in Shane's Letter was absolutely true" Kool-Aid by himself, he talks about his reasons for doing the RWBY:Remnants project and he makes it sound like it is morally imperative that RWBY be fixed, that everything after Volume 3 is literally opening up the mouth of Monty's corpse and shitting in it. His solution is to take RWBY and make it darker, edgier, complicate the shit that doesn't need to be complicated and then make all the main characters less interesting.

Spoiler: RWBY:Remnants

It took them eight months to go from this:

to this:

in which a singer who cannot hold a note to save her life sings the most on the nose character theme in the history of the world.
An Australian VA cannot decide whether she wishes Nora to be Irish or Scottish and so picks both simultaneously:

And last but certainly not least his magnum opus 45 minute lore video in which he spends almost half the run time not discussing lore and then the other half making the already kinda dumb RWBY lore worse:

In defense of SYTO he is a decent manga artist but he's not the brightest bulb and his taste in music sucks.

My favorite SYTO story from my short time knowing him was when I asked if I could start on a Ruby character theme. His response was that I'd need to sit down with him for an extended period of time because Ruby and Summer's relationship is incredibly complex, but also he can't spoil anything. In the couple of months I spent with Remnants, literally nothing got put out, hardly anything was discussed, and I learned nothing about the project.

Anyway, here's my RWBY rewrite, how's it looking?

Spoiler: What Monty would want

 

[Random Internet Person]

Definitely more Scottish than Irish but it's a James Doohan Scottish at best. And the German accent that the Weiss VA is trying for is a crime.

For once I'd want someone who doesn't care much for worldbuilding to lead the writing. I agree with Sleazy, plot and characters are paramount. People will always latch onto characters the most. Want proof? Fire Emblem Awakening has a nothing story, but its colorful cast let it save its own franchise. Most people want to see people. They want to have fun, they don't want to have to take a semester of your Generic Fantasy World History class.

My favorite SYTO story from my short time knowing him was when I asked if I could start on a Ruby character theme. His response was that I'd need to sit down with him for an extended period of time because Ruby and Summer's relationship is incredibly complex, but also he can't spoil anything. In the couple of months I spent with Remnants, literally nothing got put out, hardly anything was discussed, and I learned nothing about the project.

Anyway, here's my RWBY rewrite, how's it looking?

Spoiler: What Monty would want

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Also, here's a video I wanted to post but couldn't earlier because of this site's Media limits.

 

[Mega Black]

It is, sorta. It wasn't for a good while, now they're supposedly culling the non-patrons. It's taken them like 3 months for some reason and they still haven't done it. Raymond does pop by the Tundra every now and again, mostly to post tween girls, but Fatman is entirely absent. Outside of promoting her VTuber streams in which she sits around and makes awkward conversation with another dude for 3 hours, she rarely interacts with the server. She does, however, have a Patreon tier that promises friendship with a hyper-bubbly big tit human Rainbow Dash.

Remnants is a supposed upcoming rewrite that in the course of over a year has put out nothing more than a couple shorts and a mediocre "Mirror, Mirror" ripoff. It's run by a dude called SYTO, whose lyrical prowress should give you insight into the type of writer he is (with bonus markups I did to show him how I revise songs).
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Fancy words = smart and poetic. When I asked him if the main theme could be lighter in tone, he got angry and asked "haven't you seen what we've put out." The dark themes in what little we have include Jacques being a monster-cape wearing father who criticizes his daughter, which effectively puts the series on the same level of maturity as Pokemon Sun and Moon.

Spoiler: How that went

Leftmost column is his lyrics, then my comments, then a couple version I wrote up.
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You can see how seriously he takes this whole thing in his mind. Maybe if he adds themes of inevitability, corporate neglect, humanity's drive to find enemies instead of common goals, and the effects of grief, he could perhaps reach the "darkness" levels of Pokemon ORAS.

That's so strange, RWBY's strength was never its dark tone. I don't know why fans are so obsessed with the grimdark nature of the show's latter half, it's the clear line of demarcation where the quality dropped off of a sheer fucking cliff. It's funny to see these people get so intensely butthurt by your efforts. As an aspiring hack fraud myself, I'd kill to have someone bother to read, critique, and fucking improve my work all for free. This whole 'rewrite' thing is like ascended autism, I'm not even sure which project is worse. I guess Raymond has actually produced some stuff, terrible though it is.

Tai got a backstory? What?

There's an episode of Fairy Tales told from the perspective of Tai to his daughters. In it, it's heavily implied that the protagonist in that story is Tai himself, or a stand-in to whom he relates a great deal. It's kept vague enough for plausible deniability, but by the end of the episode it's made pretty clear that this is meant to be Tai's backstory, and explains his fascination with mysterious dark haired women.

Yes and no, the issue with worldbuilding is that it quickly takes center stage over the important details of plot and characters

I feel like worldbuilding is emphasized too much in importance these days. In this era of wookiepedia trawling troglodytes, enjoying a fictional work seems like it's more about blandly digesting dull information about what happened before the story takes place than actually enjoying the story in question. Even RWBY does this, to a certain extent. A lot of the recent volumes and so much of the supplementary material is about fleshing out the world of remnant but virtually none of it works well or makes the show's plot stronger.

 

[Random Internet Person]

There's an episode of Fairy Tales told from the perspective of Tai to his daughters. In it, it's heavily implied that the protagonist in that story is Tai himself, or a stand-in to whom he relates a great deal. It's kept vague enough for plausible deniability, but by the end of the episode it's made pretty clear that this is meant to be Tai's backstory, and explains his fascination with mysterious dark haired women.

I found it.

 

[Smith Wesson]

I found it.

Ah yes. RT wants their cake and eat it too.

They want to foreshadow Summer to build up hype, but forgot that the original Warrior In The Woods was a dark-skinned redhead. You know, to help earn brownie points among their fanbase, Representation and whatnot.

Personally, I don't care for it either way, but it is worth mentioning for the lulz.

 

[Decepticon Spy]

That's so strange, RWBY's strength was never its dark tone. I don't know why fans are so obsessed with the grimdark nature of the show's latter half, it's the clear line of demarcation where the quality dropped off of a sheer fucking cliff.

Modern consoomers like to think Grimderp = good writing, it's probably because they're too autistic to comprehend that there's quality in simplicity or think adulthood means seeing feel-good or tone-light shows as childish. RWBY is not the only vicitm of this phenomon either Nerd Media and Capeshit have been, and still are, plagued by this long before RWBY came out of the woodwork.

There's an episode of Fairy Tales told from the perspective of Tai to his daughters. In it, it's heavily implied that the protagonist in that story is Tai himself, or a stand-in to whom he relates a great deal. It's kept vague enough for plausible deniability, but by the end of the episode it's made pretty clear that this is meant to be Tai's backstory, and explains his fascination with mysterious dark haired women.

RWBY Fairy Tales is just CRWBY rummaging their scrap notes and office bins and turn whatever they find into an anthology series. Every episode feels like a draft of a plot-point that would've made it in the show if Monty is still alive but were discarded by the Galaxy-Brain duo because they did not meet their political agenda quotas.

 

[Rhymes 19]

That's so strange, RWBY's strength was never its dark tone. I don't know why fans are so obsessed with the grimdark nature of the show's latter half, it's the clear line of demarcation where the quality dropped off of a sheer fucking cliff. It's funny to see these people get so intensely butthurt by your efforts. As an aspiring hack fraud myself, I'd kill to have someone bother to read, critique, and fucking improve my work all for free

It probably has to do with him seeing Remnants as some kind of holy mission sent from Monty himself. I hope he took any of my advice. I really tried to explain why lyrics worked or didn't work, to give him the toolbox to improve on his own. Writing song lyrics is about much more than rhyming some fancy words. He said he didn't care for rhymes as long as he got to put in the imagery, like he's Lorde or something. The difference is, Lorde's mother was a poet, and because of this, she has an exceptional understanding of metre, flow, and storytelling. The notes I put on his lyrics tried to explain this, as you can see from the sample I provided. Especially because SYTO is Malaysian, and English isn't his first language.

Like I said earlier in the thread, it's paramount a writer understand the weight, tone, and implication of words, particularly in poetry. "Heaven Created" had the line "So mirror, mirror, I beseech thee/Mirror, mirror, the pieces back whole." I tried to explain to him that "beseech" is antiquated, even in this context, which he countered with how it's supposed to sound formal. The full phrase "I beseech thee the pieces back whole" makes no sense. "The pieces back whole" is also off-metre. We don't put emphasis on the last syllable of "pieces."

Spoiler: More songwriting sperging

It really can be the little things. I rewrote my own rewrite because, as you can see in the red text, I decided the final chorus needed more finality. "Listen to the wind" and "Hear the howling wind" are technically synonymous, but it's the weight of the words. "Listen" is softer, asking someone to tune in their ears. "Hear" is more of a command, like they can't avoid it. Also, his original "I beg of you, please" falls off metre. For all his talk of imagery, it's very lacking here. Just a lot of "mirror, mirror" because RWBY did that. I have no idea why he'd want to emulate Jeff Williams of all people.