Plagued COVID Conspiracy Theorists and other idiots - This is not a political thunderdome or gay slapfight thread.

[Fwiffo]

At this point I think a lot of us would rather throw them in the river and be done with them.

The problem isn't only that they're clogging up hospitals. If that was the only thing happening you'd see less burnout. What's happening is that they're clogging up hospitals AND they're becoming increasingly violent and deranged, so it makes you question what the hell the point of your care is. Somebody's gonna shoot up a hospital one day mark my words.

I agree with basically everything you said. The absolute state of the side with all the self-professed lions with no fear. It’s almost as if they’re all irrationally scared and don’t have the emotional intelligence to deal with it like a big boy.

 

[JaneThough]

Remember when these exact same fags were screaming that Obamacare was going to create death panels for the elderly? Now they're all "Let Grandma and Grandpa die, I will NOT wear a mask to Applebees for $1 margaritas"

 

[snailslime]

If only we could get them to nebulize the asbestos Trump liked so much.

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I lost a few colleagues at the start of all this, but no- it's not an obituary column on any social media I look at. Strange how these people are all dying and seeing people they know die. Almost like there's a reason for it.

Also sorryantivaxxer has another transplant denial sob story posted right now. If you can't follow directions, you will just die after a transplant. It would be a waste of good meat.

edit: just another sordid tale, like a million others, unfolding daily in small-town America
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wow, the thoughts and prayers meme really isn't that overexaggerated lmfao.

was facebook always this badly infested with dumb boomers?

 

[Sandnigger]

The next step is making a donation page to help with the burial and expenses.

 

[Aunt Carol]

The plural of anecdote is not data, but I gotta say it's nice to see the grandparents with their usual collection of chronicities coming in with breakthrough COVID (up to date with vaccinations) and going home after 2-5 days, like it was just regular pneumonia season again. There are the usual hangups and exceptions, but the bad cases of COVID are mostly the unvaccinated younger people who don't know how to be sick and who never had a (diagnosed) chronic illness before, so they never truly had the realization their body is a machine made of meat that carries "them," and one day it will fail. By "younger" I mean "under 60" but you know.

Anyway, everyone please print out and checkbox an advance directive and TALK TO your next of kin about what you might want done. Even if you think COVID is fake, you still might get hit by a bus, you know? Make it easy on your family; if they never have to use it, then it's just ten sheets of dead tree in a drawer. Thanks.


eta: big problem is that the rehabs have outbreaks and also worse understaffing than the hospitals, so someone who doesn't have the support to go home-home can linger inpatient for a month, waiting for a bed, while the hospital plays SNF and new patients board in the ED. There are COVID surge facilities that take SNF discharges post-COVID on their way to a SNF, to reduce risk of infection, but that still leaves non-COVID Gramps, with a surprise new hip, playing the waiting game.

 

[Geese Howard]

Today's update on the GoFundMe (direct link here) for the guy who got taken off the heart transplant list because he wouldn't get vaccinated. (You can view the previous update here.)

A couple of the recent donators are familiar with organ transplants.

This comment was the most informative, though.

I'd never heard of Stew Peters before this, but according to one of the only mainstream articles (archive) about him that I could find, he's "a sort of slightly less unhinged version of Alex Jones."

This is the episode of the show referenced in the donator comment. (Archive) Here's an excerpt from the article that accompanies it.

Note the link at the end - there's a second crowdfunding effort. (Archive)

That brings us to a total of over $90,000 raised so far. It should help support his kids for a year or two after his impending death.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Note the link at the end - there's a second crowdfunding effort. (Archive)

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That brings us to a total of over $90,000 raised so far. It should help support his kids for a year or two after his impending death.

Lots of [citation needed] in that; this is why you can't trust families in those news stories about awful doctors being mean.

Even if the hospital said "lol whatever; we install hearts no questions asked," where do they think a compatible donor heart is coming from? A slop bucket behind the ED?

This is like threatening the teenager at the McDonald's counter because McRibs aren't on the menu this month.

 

[AnOminous]

A brief update on the GoFundMe (direct link here) for the guy who got taken off the heart transplant list because he wouldn't get vaccinated. As a reminder, the news story broke yesterday morning.

What's it supposed to fund, his tard funeral because he's literally choosing to die rather than get a tiny jab?

 

[Sandnigger]

What's it supposed to fund, his tard funeral because he's literally choosing to die rather than get a tiny jab?

Pretty much.

 

[GraveDanger]

What's it supposed to fund, his tard funeral because he's literally choosing to die rather than get a tiny jab?

Between not getting the jab or not getting a heart transplant, I’d say it that getting the jab is statistically less deadly. He has nothing to lose by getting the jab, yet would rather die than get it.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

Sorry, I looked at the other recent comments:

 

[Wormy]

If this all turns out to be a grift, it's gonna be the greatest horse laugh I ever had....

 

[snailslime]

i love when they pay for everyone to see their idiocy, lol

 

[Sandnigger]

For that joke to work, it should have been torches. But conservatives suck at jokes.

 

[The Spoony One X]

What you are describing — health care rationing — is precisely the reason why experts and scientists urge everyone to take Covid seriously. Yes, the disease is mild for the vast majority of people. But for that fragment who are NOT ok when they get it, it is mopping the floor with the entire health care system. One percent of the American population is still 3.6 or so MILLION people. To sit by and do nothing would greatly exacerbate the problem.

Health care rationing is the absolute last resort, and the worst possible outcome you can hope for obviously. Additionally, doctors do in fact have an obligation to provide care to everyone… Hippocratic oath and all that. So they don’t have the luxury of refusing to treat your average idiot antivax Trump supporter. If they walk in the door, your job is to help them. And a healthy society should be able to help all who walk in that door.

This is the thing that antivaxxers and covid deniers can’t seem to grasp. Yes this isn’t the fucking Andromeda Strain, yes the planet will be safe no matter what, but the human cost will be extreme and spill into all aspects of life. This is far, far worse than anything the likes of @LeChampion1992 and @The Spoony One X have had to deal with (a bloo bloo bloo I have to wear a mask and that reminds me of Muslims!)

As much as it disgusts me that you, @I am the Muffin Maker and the rest of your ilk want to leave people to die for thinking differently than you, many of us outside of the far left would like to be barred from hospitals anyway. Go ahead and ban the unvaxxed from hospitals on the condition that you stop banning the treatments that we can use to keep ourselves healthy. You wouldn't want to allow early treatment though and you will come to realize your mistake when you can't hide the fact that it is the vaxxed that are taking up ICU beds.

Hospitals are now the last place you want to end up if you are sick, since hospitals are giving people deadly treatments such as ventilators for the payments they receive for making use of them. In the incredibly unlikely chance that COVID makes me sick I would rather take my chances at home, and many people are now on that same line of thinking.

And that comes back to your bullshit "one percent" (where did you get this number?), these immunocompromised citizens either have the vaccine in which case you have to admit the vaccine does not work, or they don't have the vaccine and you have to class them as one of us and campaign to deny them hospital service anyway.

We don't ask every person on the planet to cut their legs off so that the wheelchair bound can fit in, and we certainly should not be asking everyone to suffer for those that are at risk from viruses (and yes, anyone at risk from COVID is at risk from anything, a fact you seem to ignore). I would be absolutely appalled if I was at risk and the government ruined the lives of the people around me for my benefit, I would be looking after my own needs (as was the norm before 2020).

And by the way - Ivermectin was first approved as a human medicine in 1987. In addition to 40 years of extensive use as a veterinary medicine, it has been prescribed to hundreds of millions of human beings worldwide to prevent or treat a variety of parasitic diseases.

 

[snailslime]

As much as it disgusts me that you, @I am the Muffin Maker and the rest of your ilk want to leave people to die for thinking differently than you, many of us outside of the far left would like to be barred from hospitals anyway.

we want people to not die, why do you think we find the disregard for human life from anti-vaxxers repulsive?

you can't hide the fact that it is the vaxxed that are taking up ICU beds.

delusional

 

[Ima Spedonym2]

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So the “fate of the West” depends on Gwyneth Paltrow’s GOOP but for dudebros?

 

[AirdropShitposts]

Hospitals are now the last place you want to end up if you are sick, since hospitals are giving people deadly treatments such as ventilators for the payments they receive for making use of them. In the incredibly unlikely chance that COVID makes me sick I would rather take my chances at home, and many people are now on that same line of thinking.

This may be true about COVID, I'm going to grant you that proposition, but surely you wouldn't think that if say your appendix burst or you got in a car accident or developed a tumor or needed gender affirming surgery.

 

[I am the Muffin Maker]

What you are describing — health care rationing — is precisely the reason why experts and scientists urge everyone to take Covid seriously. Yes, the disease is mild for the vast majority of people. But for that fragment who are NOT ok when they get it, it is mopping the floor with the entire health care system. One percent of the American population is still 3.6 or so MILLION people. To sit by and do nothing would greatly exacerbate the problem.

Health care rationing is the absolute last resort, and the worst possible outcome you can hope for obviously. Additionally, doctors do in fact have an obligation to provide care to everyone… Hippocratic oath and all that. So they don’t have the luxury of refusing to treat your average idiot antivax Trump supporter. If they walk in the door, your job is to help them. And a healthy society should be able to help all who walk in that door.

This is the thing that antivaxxers and covid deniers can’t seem to grasp. Yes this isn’t the fucking Andromeda Strain, yes the planet will be safe no matter what, but the human cost will be extreme and spill into all aspects of life. This is far, far worse than anything the likes of @LeChampion1992 and @The Spoony One X have had to deal with (a bloo bloo bloo I have to wear a mask and that reminds me of Muslims!)

The Hippocratic isn't a law.

EMTALA is and you can't duff people out into the streets once they present at a hospital. I get that. That said, from a more philosophical point of view the vaccine skeptic/deniers should have the strength of their convictions to forgo medical treatment beyond say fluids and pain management.

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I wish there had been better reporting and less fear mongering throughout this epidemic. 1) everyone is going to get it. 2) most people will (probably) be fine (who knows what the long term looks like, 3) it takes an army of highly trained professions to keep someone alive once they hit the ICU.

ICUs aren't well suited to keeping .5% of the US population alive and on ventilators. Hospitals are now running out of really basic shit like blood products, tubing, IV kits, and syringes of various sizes (why isn't this on the national news every night and this IS something the federal government could actually do something about). So my complaint is less that "these people refused to get vaccinated and they are morally repugnant for doing so." I don't believe that at all, people are entitled to their decisions, good or bad. They should be treated with humility and grace. BUT healthcare is a zero-sum game. Giving blood products to one person means (in this environment) that you can't give it to the pediatric case with highly curable leukemia. Frankly I think leukemia kid trumps fatty with metobolic disorder who wanted to remain a PUREBLOOD.

 

[Fwiffo]

As much as it disgusts me that you, @I am the Muffin Maker and the rest of your ilk want to leave people to die for thinking differently than you, many of us outside of the far left would like to be barred from hospitals anyway. Go ahead and ban the unvaxxed from hospitals on the condition that you stop banning the treatments that we can use to keep ourselves healthy. You wouldn't want to allow early treatment though and you will come to realize your mistake when you can't hide the fact that it is the vaxxed that are taking up ICU beds.

Hospitals are now the last place you want to end up if you are sick, since hospitals are giving people deadly treatments such as ventilators for the payments they receive for making use of them. In the incredibly unlikely chance that COVID makes me sick I would rather take my chances at home, and many people are now on that same line of thinking.

And that comes back to your bullshit "one percent" (where did you get this number?), these immunocompromised citizens either have the vaccine in which case you have to admit the vaccine does not work, or they don't have the vaccine and you have to class them as one of us and campaign to deny them hospital service anyway.

We don't ask every person on the planet to cut their legs off so that the wheelchair bound can fit in, and we certainly should not be asking everyone to suffer for those that are at risk from viruses (and yes, anyone at risk from COVID is at risk from anything, a fact you seem to ignore). I would be absolutely appalled if I was at risk and the government ruined the lives of the people around me for my benefit, I would be looking after my own needs (as was the norm before 2020).

And by the way - Ivermectin was first approved as a human medicine in 1987. In addition to 40 years of extensive use as a veterinary medicine, it has been prescribed to hundreds of millions of human beings worldwide to prevent or treat a variety of parasitic diseases.

Do you have any evidence of any of the things you are saying? ICU admissions info are easy to find; what is the actual proportion?