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This reminds me of the much lighter topic in the philosophy of transhumanism: at what point a hypothetical person with an increasing number of bionic replacements stops being a person and starts being a machine...

The reason I bring it up is that in introductory philosophy classes, people freely debate this (or used to, maybe things have changed with the rise of transgenderism). And there, one person could say that this transhumanist would still be a human until they're 100% machine, another person might say they're considered a unique blend, say a "cyborg" as soon as they have any implants. Amusingly, I think hardly anyone would argue that they could be called a "machine" after making some half-assed attempt at replacing some of their parts and modifying their outward appearance.

Obviously the parallel isn't perfect, but it's funny to me that transhumanism is considered a fun and free discussion topic, and transgenderism really isn't. Maybe if people with prosthetic limbs collectively demanded to be called robots under threat of suicide, then we wouldn't be allowed to debate that either.
I always saw transgenderism in that same vein. As a sub culture of body modifiers same as the goths who tattoo their whole body and get implants to look like vampires and aliens.

Is weird to me still that it gets mainstreamed and treated as something different other than a sub culture.

People into the body mod stuff are allowed to do as the please, they have their own bdsm clubs and conventions and stuff and no one cares because they are framing it as an extreme form of self expression not as objecttive reality. That lady who sawed her teeth to look like a vampire or that guy who modified his body to look like a lizard are doing radical things with their image but are not trying to convince anyone in earnest that they are a vampire or a lizard, you may be shocked seeing them in a street but they ackknowledge what they do is shocking instead of shaming people for finding them odd and in that sense circus freaks are more sane than your average transgender.
 
From the replies: when your medical care is so lifesaving and urgent that you can delay it indefinitely when you decide it is not politically convenient:

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What other "oppressed" group can just preemptively shrug off their oppressed status if some laws get passed that they don't like?

Not even just "delay indefinitely, for some its "don't even bother because it would be inconvenient"

Don't want to link/screenshot because of PL, but one of the trans I know posted they don't want to go on HRT because they want to travel to places where being clocked could be dangerous. So they will just identify as a man when abroad even though it means they're "playing a character" (as if that isn't what they're doing being a Stunning & Brave Woman)

Can't help but wonder why ISIS sex slaves or victims of female genital mutilation didn't just identify as men to not be victimized.
 
I always saw transgenderism in that same vein. As a sub culture of body modifiers same as the goths who tattoo their whole body and get implants to look like vampires and aliens.

Is weird to me still that it gets mainstreamed and treated as something different other than a sub culture.

People into the body mod stuff are allowed to do as the please, they have their own bdsm clubs and conventions and stuff and no one cares because they are framing it as an extreme form of self expression not as objecttive reality. That lady who sawed her teeth to look like a vampire or that guy who modified his body to look like a lizard are doing radical things with their image but are not trying to convince anyone in earnest that they are a vampire or a lizard, you may be shocked seeing them in a street but they ackknowledge what they do is shocking instead of shaming people for finding them odd and in that sense circus freaks are more sane than your average transgender.
Yeah that shit remind me of that moron who turn himself into a tiger with surgery and then killed himself, probably after
realising that he mutilated himself into a hideous abomination and not being able to cope with that.
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Yeah that shit remind me of that moron who turn himself into a tiger with surgery and then killed himself, probably after
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turns out sabotaging your whole life for a fetish does leave you hollow and alienated.

It should be the moral of more cartoon episodes. He-man probably told us about it and no one listened.
 
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“We fully support Lia Thomas in her decision to affirm her gender identity and to transition from a man to a woman. Lia has every right to live her life authentically,” the letter read. “However, we also recognize that when it comes to sports competition, that the biology of sex is a separate issue from someone’s gender identity. Biologically, Lia holds an unfair advantage over competition in the women’s category, as evidenced by her rankings that have bounced from #462 as a male to #1 as a female. If she were to be eligible to compete against us, she could now break Penn, Ivy, and NCAA Women’s Swimming records; feats she could never have done as a male athlete.”

Based.

 
"Eenie weenie, teenie weenie, shriveled little short dick man DON'T WANT DON'T WANT"
I feel like this needs to be posted now for the 5 people in the thread who haven't heard it yet. dont want no long clit "man" neither lol


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It really doesn't matter how jacked the arms get, you can tell that trans men started as women. It's in the face most of all.
Shed a tear for another bulldyke lost to the gender wars.
 
I would really like to have our gendered biological sex based spaces back too,
Seriously, what are those? Women shouldn't get to work with you? Women shouldn't be able to go to school with you? Women shouldn't get to have toilets? Women shouldn't be able to play bideo geims? What exactly has been taken away from men by women that is so fucking devastating? What about women wanting to be able to take part in society, be able to work, to decide things for themselves is comparable to bunch of perverts wanting to go into prisons to rape women or beat women up in sports?
 
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"Denver Police Alert Public to Trans-Identified Male Deemed 'Sexually Violent Predator in Community".

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Thomas John Maddock also goes by the name of Tarah Jo Morgan.
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When someone somewhere deems it ok for a convicted violent pervert to work with traumatised abused women and, no doubt, their children.
 
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I always saw transgenderism in that same vein. As a sub culture of body modifiers same as the goths who tattoo their whole body and get implants to look like vampires and aliens.

Is weird to me still that it gets mainstreamed and treated as something different other than a sub culture.

People into the body mod stuff are allowed to do as the please, they have their own bdsm clubs and conventions and stuff and no one cares because they are framing it as an extreme form of self expression not as objecttive reality. That lady who sawed her teeth to look like a vampire or that guy who modified his body to look like a lizard are doing radical things with their image but are not trying to convince anyone in earnest that they are a vampire or a lizard, you may be shocked seeing them in a street but they ackknowledge what they do is shocking instead of shaming people for finding them odd and in that sense circus freaks are more sane than your average transgender.
There's also an issue how, unlike body modifications, transitioning is treated as a 'real medicine', practiced by real doctors and legal structure is set up so troons can have their gender registered legally.

While body modifications and other cosmetic surgeries are always treated as... simply cosmetic, it's more of an art and for pleasure than something written as 'life saving' and truly self affirming... And there's no special rights granted for them.

And this is not a recent thing. Troonism seen as a legitimate medicine has been for a long time
- but at the same time if you go back to earlier publications related to troonism - say, in 1950s. It was also more in-your-face how it was more about 'castrating sexual deviants' than to affirms someone's 'true self'... So it's kind of a voluntary eugenics. I feel like everything that purport that trooning out is harm-reduction is an ad hoc explanation for something that's got too big for everyone who's involved to be honest.

Even now I still don't exactly know why transitioning is so supported and affirmed by the establishment compared to other hack-jobs.
 
Seriously, what are those? Women shouldn't get to work with you? Women shouldn't be able to go to school with you? Women shouldn't get to have toilets? Women shouldn't be able to play bideo geims? What exactly has been taken away from men by women that is so fucking devastating? What about women wanting to be able to take part in society, be able to work, to decide things for themselves is comparable to bunch of perverts wanting to go into prisons to rape women or beat women up in sports?
To quote a choice line from radfem twitter: "To men who feel entitled, women's boundaries feel like oppression."
 
her rankings that have bounced from #462 as a male to #1 as a female.
What a surprise. Lia was a shitty male athlete before he decided to cheat and dominate the women's division. I hope since he now can't compete on the women's team, that his records are also taken away as well.
 
Trannys on Shitter are mad that #KeepPrisonsSingleSexed was trending and are now trying to mischaracterize female concern as being nothing more than malicious bots retweeting disinformation by using #ThisIsAnExploit
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Imagine being so full of shit, you actively show others how to lie just so you can blame your opponents of lying
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It's a good thing twitter isn't where actual decisions get made then I guess? Do they think politicians are making decisions solely on retweets or something? What a stupid point to be trying to make. Also, yes trending occurs when lots of accounts use the same tag. Congrats on solving that puzzle.
 
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written as 'life saving' and truly self affirming... And there's no special rights granted for them.
Thats the most concerning aspect for me, that is reaching a point where vulnerable people who need actual mental help get put into the troon pipeline along with little kids who don't even understand what sex or gender even is before they are put on hormones It can only end badly and is a matter of time for the ripple effects from the last few years of troon wave.

If it weren't for the real political implications who even gives a shit about transvestites? I can respect self expression up to a point, i grew up surrounded by edgy people with weird fashion sense but self expression begins and ends in the self, outside validation should not be expected as a given, you should own that being a weirdo is your own prerogative and everyone else can take it or leave it as they choose too. In that sense transgenders have had all the rights they needed all along , at least in the western developed world, trans rights right now translate in more free gibs, more strongarming their way into places they don't belong, more impunity for crimes, more indoctrination for children etc, things sane people need to push back against.

They think they are owning the evil terfs but really all they did with this cope was show how they use their own echo chamber to make inorganic bullshit trend, along with its own demonstration lol

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I feel like this needs to be posted now for the 5 people in the thread who haven't heard it yet. dont want no long clit "man" neither lol



Shed a tear for another bulldyke lost to the gender wars.

This is a re-upload from elsewhere on KF (yaniv forum)...
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To quote a choice line from radfem twitter: "To men who feel entitled, women's boundaries feel like oppression."
There is such a thing as de facto gendered spaces, where the object of interest is mostly enjoyed by men, and there's been a general progressive bullshit injection. The sequence is familiar; a hobby is enjoyed by all, but mostly men. Some journo vilifies the fact that it's a "male space" and a bunch of attention whores join in, don't pay attention, do a shit job, and cry to journos when they get told they're doing a shit job. Now there's pressure to cater to people who don't care about the thing itself. You aren't allowed to like the thing, you have to like the different thing that's lost what made it interesting to you in a universally failed attempt to get makeup twitter to enjoy it. Women in this are the excuse busybodies use. Men and women both play video games, but when playing a competitive FPS and a narcissist joins, and she's a girl, there are suddenly a lot of articles from the usual suspects about how trash talk is bad because it "harms women". Troons are the same, suddenly the football game has to account for a fragile ego on the field. This isn't a woman issue, it's a "why are those people having fun without me" problem that only certain personality disorders have.
 
The Green Party in the UK is starting to kick women out who don't believe the "trans women are women" nonsense: -

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Emma Bateman is (was) the co-chair of Green Party Women, the feminist arm of the party. It seems that the Green Party's idea of feminism now though, is removing any women whose views upset mentally ill men in dresses.
 
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