Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

To me its there is lot of ground between "The Force has the power to move a mountain if you concentrate" and "If you spend at least 30 minutes at Force Mediation Level 12, you can Lift 40,000 Metric Quatloos of matter with a force of 30 jiggazounds and move it at a speed of 18 KPH, with occasional pulses of 25KPH if you are able to get to Mediation Level 13 or above" and I lean more to favoring the former.
The only part of Star Wars where I've seen anyone get autistic over stats and numbers is the number of clones that were sent to die in the Clone Wars. Some statistic that Karen Traviss debated with the EU Readerbase, or something.

Maybe someone else on the thread knows.

Force God? What the fuck happened to this franchise
You think that's bad? You should see the mystic hyperspace wolves that Filoni introduced in Rebels.

Was it ever explained why Ahsoka was portrayed in live action by Rosario Dawson and not by who voiced her: Ashley Eckstein? I recalled the latter did cosplay as the character and she could have easily played the character on the D+ shows.
Because Dawson has retained a screen presence on shows like Daredevil, meaning that she already has a foothold of relevance among mainstream audiences---something Eckstein doesn't have outside of greasy pedophiles in the TCW fandom. Disney shows are pretty much greenlit around actors--Oscar Isaac, Tom Hiddleston, Diego Luna--and they aren't going to create a standalone backdoor series around an actress whose only real gig in the last decade has been voicing the same snarky orange bitch at the same tone of voice and delivery every time she turns up.
 
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Midi Chlorians are basically a connecting bridge between the ethereal and mundane worlds. After all in the OT Obi Wan and Yoda both state that the force is in and moves through all life. Midi Chlorians are a mechanism for this-how does the world of “crude matter” relate to “luminous beings?”

Well your midi chlorian count determines just how deep your connection to the force and hence that ethereal aspect of the universe is. That is why raw force potential is determined by midi chlorians. The more midi chlorians you have-the deeper, broader and more encompassing your connection to the force. That is why Anakin is so special.

People often complain that the PT de mystified the force-when the same PT is the first to verbally bring up the “netherworld of the force”, the Sith’s goal of immortality, and the affect of visions. It’s very mystical. Midi Chlorians simply are a mechanism in which measure how deeply one can interact with the mystical. Which is why Anakin and Luke are force sensitives and Han Solo(whose Midi Chlorian count must be much much smaller) is not.
 
Force God? What the fuck happened to this franchise
You didn't know? Its been said a lot in this thread but orange girl Ahsoka has the essence of a goddess inside her and now has a time traveling god-owl for a pet like Athena. She was also blessed by the god of gray jedi in DisCanon who confirmed she will never die. Filoni also confirmed that she outlives everyone post Plan IX because that's how special his pet character is. He also compares her to Gandalf the White these days.

Also making her the literal sole god left in DisCanon would help to justify the whole Force is Female thing. Its like what people thought would be Rey's faggoty fate but is now reserved for Dave's pet character. Its like the truest definition of a mary sue fanfic character taken to its most absolute extreme, except in Dave's case she was Gillroy and George's oc who he became weirdly attached to.
6:40 ”He might even be Yoda’s son for all we know, he’ll then be much more inclined to be with Luke if he remembers this and remembers his family”

This would be fucking stupid, but I wouldn’t put it past Filoni for Grogu to be the result of Yoda and Yaddle banging in secret.
Everyone in Filoni Wars literally has to be connected or related, so Baby Yeed will most definitely be their bastard child despite Yaddle in both canons being 600 years younger than Yoda, and Yoda abandoning his own son making him look like a bigger scumbag. Also it still makes me chuckle seeing SWT and so many still thinking the brat will choose Luke and thinking these morons will undo his fate. They'll probably rage or damage control for a bit, but then quickly forget about it, pull out some new hopium theory and then proceed to coom over the next Filoni wank character to show up, like that pirate who is almost guaranteed now.

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Midi Chlorians are basically a connecting bridge between the ethereal and mundane worlds. After all in the OT Obi Wan and Yoda both state that the force is in and moves through all life. Midi Chlorians are a mechanism for this-how does the world of “crude matter” relate to “luminous beings?”

Well your midi chlorian count determines just how deep your connection to the force and hence that ethereal aspect of the universe is. That is why raw force potential is determined by midi chlorians. The more midi chlorians you have-the deeper, broader and more encompassing your connection to the force. That is why Anakin is so special.

People often complain that the PT de mystified the force-when the same PT is the first to verbally bring up the “netherworld of the force”, the Sith’s goal of immortality, and the affect of visions. It’s very mystical. Midi Chlorians simply are a mechanism in which measure how deeply one can interact with the mystical. Which is why Anakin and Luke are force sensitives and Han Solo(whose Midi Chlorian count must be much much smaller) is not.
But midi count doesn't determine your "Force power level" or connection. General Grievous had an ass load of midichlorians pumped into him and it didn't grant him any Force stat bonuses, all it did was give him a greater pain tolerance and slightly stabilized his deteriorated body.

A few others and I went over this in detail before around page 2275.
On point, but calling them cattle is a bit mean since they actually do help with the creation of new life, keeping living things healthy and are probably the first organisms ever, but you're right that they aren't the Force itself, they just survive and flourish more in hosts that are stronger in the Force and in turn keep their host's cells healthy since George wanted them to be like the equivalent of mitochondria, so the stronger in the Force you are the more of them you'll have- then again maybe that is like cattle since they feed on what we give em and in turn they feed us... Never mind then. To be honest I'll never understand why George gave Qui-Gon that controversial line like he did in TPM and then go around and say something else later (I mean you could argue that it was to show that the jedi were becoming too secular, but even Qui-Gon was shown to treat the Force like a deity guiding them). Even in his sequel treatments, George just treats the midis as Force harvesters for the Whills rather than the Force itself (then again, dialogue wasn't his strongest area so I can't blame him too much for the inconsistencies). Anyway, they are the foundation of life, but are not the Force. The foundation creates life, life creates the Force, Force protects life, life makes the Force grow, Force surrounds and binds life, life uses Force, Force feeds and creates more foundation, foundation creates more life, the cosmic cycle repeats. They are irreplaceable tools for the powers that be.

To further add to this, even in pre-Disney content, you couldn't just inject more midis into your body and become Force-sensitive, like with Grievous. He had a boat load of midichlorians in him and all it did was keep him alive after his transformation but gave him no Force power whatsoever.
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Same with test subjects infused with midi-rich blood. Hence they were not the Force itself but they did have an odd symbiotic relationship with it. Even Plagueis used the Force to manipulate the midis, not the other way around. The only way to artificially give someone Force powers was by taking them somewhere that was very spiritually strong like a force nexus, and the midis would naturally multiply with more Force to thrive on (although I think this process only had a 50/50 chance of working).
 
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Yep pretty on point, I’ve never gotten the hype over Boba after series, There are so many cooler and more engaging Star Wars characters to focus on, Boba Fett literally just appears in the movies to fuck around and almost get killed while looking cool doing it. Boba Fett is hot trash.
 
Yep pretty on point, I’ve never gotten the hype over Boba after series, There are so many cooler and more engaging Star Wars characters to focus on, Boba Fett literally just appears in the movies to fuck around and almost get killed while looking cool doing it. Boba Fett is hot trash.

I'll say this about Boba: he only became cool once the novels, Dark Horse comics, and games like Shadows of the Empire made him a capable and substantive threat. Prior to that, he was just an empty costume.

Jango, on the other hand, was always cool, if nothing else for the shit he actually does on-screen. He sends Zam Wessel to do all of this dirty work and then kills her in cold blood, he fights toe-to-toe with Obi-Wan with the full extent of his arsenal and hand-to-hand combat skills and nearly kills him, he showcases the lethality of the Slave I while in the Geonosis Asteroid field, and goes out by being killed by an actual Jedi instead of stumbling into a desert ground anus.

When speaking strictly about the films, Jango comes out on top.

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"f-filoni knows what he's doing! he hates the sequels just like us!!"
>"Filoni's own comments on the philosophy of Star Wars runs counter to everything TLJ is"

I wonder if these retards are aware of Filoni commenting and advocating for Luke dying as a pathetic widower with no kids in TLJ, using Frodo Baggins as some kind of utterly misplaced comparison.
 
So adding layers of detail and nuance to a world is suddenly the mark of shitty writing, now? Is Tolkien suddenly a shitty writer because he created a compendium like The Silmarillion to itemize everything from the origins of Middle Earth, to the functionality of magic and Quenya?

Boy, I'm glad people like you aren't in charge of any fiction that I love, because the kind of worldbuilding and mythology you're advocating for sounds vague and boring as fuck.
wait, are you trying to tell me the PT had good writing?

even if we go with that, that specific scene is still shit if you understand what's the purpose of it: to explain everyone with a quick exposition dump how OP anakin is, because george lucas apparently assumed there were still people around who didn't know that anakin is fucking darth vader. so instead of showing everyone his force potential over time (which plebs might miss), he had the evian bottle carrier pull out a star wars geiger counter to tell the audience his force power midichlorian count is OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!, so they could do their best keanu reeves expression and go "whoa dude!".
since that's now a thing, why don't we measure qui-gon's while we're at it? obi-wan's? and that's apparently also a common practice, are there rules around it like you need a specific count to be a jedi? can you improve it? can you lose it? do sith have sith-midichlorians that make them evil? are they red too? where are all the other details to explain that detail and nuance?

here's the most important question you need to ask yourself next time: does any of this even fucking matter? what "layer of detail and nuance" was actually added here instead of qui-gon saying "the force is strong in him, stronger than I've ever felt in one so young"? there is literally no need for a knee-jerk gadget or scientific measurements. then have yoda or the whole council repeat it later to reinforce (by a fictional authority which even the dumbest audience can understand what that means) that kid darth vader is indeed OP as fuck already and consider it a liability since there is no way to know how much stronger he's gonna get growing up. easily explained in a way that makes sense and organically woven into the story, instead of shoving stat blocks in the viewer's face.
so yes, for that specific scene at least and for the issues it caused, it's absolutely shit writing.

and since you mentioned it, the silmarillion is boring as fuck. it's the equivalent of a middle earth phone book which only appeals to fans, and even among those only to a specific niche. the majority watched the movies, maybe read the books, but that's it (personally I wouldn't call those people fans, but that's just me). they don't care and while it's nice to know what happened before from a nerd standpoint, it's pretty much irrelevant for the story of a hairy feet manlet fed-exing some jewelry across the continent.
don't get me wrong, I still respect tolkien for the scope and depth he gave his creation and that it's there if you want to know more, but in the end it's not necessary information for the story people came for. same way not every star trek fan is studying operation manuals or ship blueprints, or most star wars "fans" never reading anything about george lucas' creation myth or EU, or even want to.

People often complain that the PT de mystified the force-when the same PT is the first to verbally bring up the “netherworld of the force”, the Sith’s goal of immortality, and the affect of visions. It’s very mystical. Midi Chlorians simply are a mechanism in which measure how deeply one can interact with the mystical. Which is why Anakin and Luke are force sensitives and Han Solo(whose Midi Chlorian count must be much much smaller) is not.
putting a speedometer you can read with a phone app on someone's force level and say "well, george lucas also dropped some nebulous stuff like netherworld and visions and shit, it's still mystical y'all!". might as well go and claim your car runs on techno magic since most people don't know how a combustion engine works and it will got to car heaven - it's mystical!

the point of the mysticism (or ambiguity really) is that people can comprehend it easily and fill out the blanks themselves, meaning their imagination gives them the best possible version in their head. they don't need to know how strong someone is in numbers, how those numbers are measured and what that number even means. autistically explaining every detail is just boring for most people, and detracts from the experience because suddenly their headcanon that worked for them so far is void, and there's a good chance they gonna disagree with the "official" version.

or to give you an example: there's a reason the heroes ride off into the sunset at the end and the movie is over - the hero defeated the villain, survived and got the girl. do you really need to know what happens next? do you want to? because that means accepting every possible outcome equally; even if it turns out your heroes didn't actually defeat the villain, they all ended up as losers, it didn't work out with the girl, their kid started listening to linkin park and the only reason they're even there is for nostalgia and so the writer can kill them off for LE EPIC TWEEST aping better material.
the urge to say "how does that work" and "what happens next" is understandable, and everybody has it, but you should be aware that also means it could be shit, and there are no backsies once that box has been opened and you looked into it.

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But midi count doesn't determine your "Force power level" or connection. General Grievous had an ass load of midichlorians pumped into him and it didn't grant him any Force stat bonuses, all it did was give him a greater pain tolerance and slightly stabilized his deteriorated body.
it did when lucas dropped it in TPM. most people went "ah, that means how strong he is, got it", with a few nerds going "wait, what?!"
everything afterwards was scrambling to "fix" it by saying "nono, see it's not what it means and actually works differently etc.".

it's not on the same level as hyperspace ramming, but certainly in the same vein.
 
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I'll say this about Boba: he only became cool once the novels, Dark Horse comics, and games like Shadows of the Empire made him a capable and substantive threat. Prior to that, he was just an empty costume.

Jango, on the other hand, was always cool, if nothing else for the shit he actually does on-screen. He sends Zam Wessel to do all of this dirty work and then kills her in cold blood, he fights toe-to-toe with Obi-Wan with the full extent of his arsenal and hand-to-hand combat skills and nearly kills him, he showcases the lethality of the Slave I while in the Geonosis Asteroid field, and goes out by being killed by an actual Jedi instead of stumbling into a desert ground anus.

When speaking strictly about the films, Jango comes out on top.

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>"Filoni's own comments on the philosophy of Star Wars runs counter to everything TLJ is"

I wonder if these retards are aware of Filoni commenting and advocating for Luke dying as a pathetic widower with no kids in TLJ, using Frodo Baggins as some kind of utterly misplaced comparison.
Is it contrarian to like Jango Fett more than Boba Fett? Because I do. It's like George knew he messed up with Boba in the movies and decided to give Jango actual character traits and a slightly cooler costume to make up for it.
 
Is it contrarian to like Jango Fett more than Boba Fett? Because I do. It's like George knew he messed up with Boba in the movies and decided to give Jango actual character traits and a slightly cooler costume to make up for it.
not really, I think there's even a /tv/ "chad jango fett" meme floating around.

EDIT: found it on fucking reddit
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Can't respond for whatever reason. I forgot if I stated this already ITT but the reason I don't have a problem with Midis is because they're only used as a gauge for one's force abilities, but they ARE NOT the force itself, you still have to train for years in order to have a chance of being a half decent Jedi.

The scene in TPM isn't particularly well done because the writing is way too clunky, but Episode 1 has far larger problems in terms of story.
I think it adds a slight detail that Jedi are continuously studying the Force in an attempt to learn more about it, because why wouldn't they?
It's not like you can just do Jedi mind tricks without knowing what a Jedi mind trick is, or force pull a lightsaber and defeat the main bad guy of the movie in a lightsaber duel after finding out the force exists a few hours ago, because that would be fucking stupid.

Anakin wasn't all powerful just because of his power level being high. He was overconfident and not trusted by most people, which got him in trouble. Him being the chosen one is kind of unnecessary though.
 
games like Shadows of the Empire made him a capable and substantive threat
Boba Fett in Shadows of the Empire game traumatized a whole generation of children I think. If you don't know what you are doing, the second phase of the fight - when he is inside Slave 1 - may seem unbeatable at first. I refuse to watch the tv show only if to avoid ruining this memory of Boba Fett character and how menacing he is there.

 
Was it ever explained why Ahsoka was portrayed in live action by Rosario Dawson and not by who voiced her: Ashley Eckstein? I recalled the latter did cosplay as the character and she could have easily played the character on the D+ shows.

She has the wrong skin color.

The only part of Star Wars where I've seen anyone get autistic over stats and numbers is the number of clones that were sent to die in the Clone Wars. Some statistic that Karen Traviss debated with the EU Readerbase, or something.

I guess let me a little more voluminous on what I mean:
You can have spergilious exact numbers in the notes that you never tell the audience, and sometimes you can have things being autistically exact isn't a problem, but usually the latter is often used wrongly. It also makes it hard to have exceptions without completely upending
Your magic bullshit needs a consistent qualifiable metric, but it shouldn't be a quantifiable one.

Qui-Gon saying Anakin has midichlorians and midichlorians being used a hallmark of force power = Good.
More Midichlorians, More Force power = getting a little iffy but still Ok
HIS MIDICHLORIAN COUNT IS OVER Ni...TWENTY THOUSAND = now its dumb

I guess more the point, if there is a blood test for being a jedi why even go recruit? Just have the Republic test all kids in schools. No need to follow the will of the force or w/e. It also makes the jedi council's reluctance to train Anakin really stupid. It'd be an olympic team seeing a guy with a 3 minute mile but rejecting them for the track & field team because he's 25.

A better way to do this would be have some sort of force-sensitive canary or dog or aura-camera whatever that is used to ID force sensitives. These things ping to 100% of force users, but not everyone they ping on is force sensitive or at least not usefully so. You can even say "I've never seen one attach to someone so readily" which is a qualifiable but not quantifiable metric.

I've said the PT EU isn't really my thing and I understand they walked things back to being more Qualifiable (and Midi-chlorians are never mentioned again) but that doesn't make those parts of TPM any less dumb.
 
Jango did go out pretty easily though, so that's a point against him. If Boba hadn't come back he'd probably be guilty of the same thing, but Jango still mogs him either way.
Jango at least faced down an opponent far out of his league and died in battle, all a true Mando could ask for.

Boba just sits on a throne and will die of diabeetus with his ancestors ashamed, their smile and optimism gone.

“Boba.” A Janghost spears.

“Father?”

“Yes Boba, I have returned to give you my final wish.

“Name it Father, anything.”

“Give all of my stuff to my true son, you are not worthy.”

Mando walks in, Boba cries.
 
Jango at least faced down an opponent far out of his league and died in battle, all a true Mando could ask for.

Boba just sits on a throne and will die of diabeetus with his ancestors ashamed, their smile and optimism gone.

“Boba.” A Janghost spears.

“Father?”

“Yes Boba, I have returned to give you my final wish.

“Name it Father, anything.”

“Give all of my stuff to my true son, you are not worthy.”

Mando walks in, Boba cries.
Din Djarin-Fett has a nice ring to it.
 
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This would be fucking stupid, but I wouldn’t put it past Filoni for Grogu to be the result of Yoda and Yaddle banging in secret.

Of course Yoda having sex would be a thing in modern day Star Wars. The smart thing to do would be to make Yoda's race reproduce asexually or something.

I'll say this about Boba: he only became cool once the novels, Dark Horse comics, and games like Shadows of the Empire made him a capable and substantive threat. Prior to that, he was just an empty costume.

Jango, on the other hand, was always cool, if nothing else for the shit he actually does on-screen. He sends Zam Wessel to do all of this dirty work and then kills her in cold blood, he fights toe-to-toe with Obi-Wan with the full extent of his arsenal and hand-to-hand combat skills and nearly kills him, he showcases the lethality of the Slave I while in the Geonosis Asteroid field, and goes out by being killed by an actual Jedi instead of stumbling into a desert ground anus.

When speaking strictly about the films, Jango comes out on top.

"But you see, my Boba Fett toy did way cooler shit in my backyard so he's the best." --- fat 50 year old neckbeards probably
 
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