Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Creep3r]

Pablo Hidalgo apparently changed his twitter status
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His public facing account is still up.

https://mobile.twitter.com/pabl0hidalgo

Hidalgo's behavior has been rather suspicious as of late (more so than usual), what with his recent dump of JJ drama that was a weirdly risky thing to do since Disney does not want anything regarding TFA's problematic production to get out as noted by JW Rinzler on youtube who even faced the risk of a lawsuit for so much as talking about it.

Perhaps getting all his Mando guides cancelled drove him over the edge? Or maybe the estrogen pills are finally driving him over the edge.

Yes he almost had a troon phase a year ago.

Anyway, his recent tweets showed he was bitter about the sequels, but at the same time he's been doing nothing but drooling over Filoni's latest shows, even now after his job title changed. His behavior is all around strange as well as his title of "dispensable cog", like he was thrown away.

 

[Adamska]

Hidalgo's behavior has been rather suspicious as of late (more so than usual), what with his recent dump of JJ drama that was a weirdly risky thing to do since Disney does not want anything regarding TFA's problematic production to get out as noted by JW Rinzler on youtube who even faced the risk of a lawsuit for so much as talking about it.

Perhaps getting all his Mando guides cancelled drove him over the edge? Or maybe the estrogen pills are finally driving him over the edge.
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Yes he almost had a troon phase a year ago.

Anyway, his recent tweets showed he was bitter about the sequels, but at the same time he's been doing nothing but drooling over Filoni's latest shows, even now after his job title changed. His behavior is all around strange as well as his title of "dispensable cog", like he was thrown away.

He's hoping to brown-nose Dave like that autistic greasy cowboy LARPing fuck did to George and Kathy and the rest of the execs. That's the only reason he's not shitting on his trash fanfiction.

 

[anti SJW]

 

[Kulee Baba]

Its not even a bad theory, remember NJ/Philly at the time. That was probably a 100% accurate conversation he had working at the store. The mob weren't exactly secret, so you took the job knowing what will happen. Look what happened to the guy than ran over Gotti's kid by accident. You knew you'd pay with your life if things didn't go well. the difference is that in 1994 the EU was barely a thing, and by the time of TLJ we have a pretty good knowledge of who made what and why

Oh I didn't write that in an intention to crap on Clerks. Say what you want about Kevin Smith but few American indie movies can be claim to have been shot on a shoestring tight budget and go on to be so successful that they then entered pop culture. Kevin Smith shot a wonderfully snappy comedy and used his friends brilliantly.

The point I was trying to make was that it was improper for Rian Johnson to devote a large segment of Star Wars for wimpy commentary on the military industrial complex. It does not fit Star Wars, Star Wars is a Sci-Fi fantasy tale. It would be stupid to have it be Star Wars canon that there was tragedy in Return of the Jedi with some poor contractors getting killed. Direct references to politics in Star Wars is a horrific mistake.

And don't get me wrong, I'd have to be an idiot to claim that Politics and modern history weren't clear influences on Star Wars. For crying out loud they're called Storm Troopers! And a while back George Lucas finally had the balls to admit the Battle of Endor was inspired by the Vietnam War meaning that the Empire itself is also a direct lambasting of the USA.

But George before he mucked it up especially with Episode 3 knew better. He took inspiration from real life and made it such silly fantasy that most of these influences flew past audiences heads. No one thinks you're a Nazi if you cosplay as Empire Officer. The Empire is not built on racism. No one equated Ewoks to Vietcong. Now I'm imagining a Star Wars movie where it's more or less a parody of Full Metal Jacket with the Empire Storm Troopers mowing down Teddy Bears but that's a silly aside. Star Wars is Star Wars, the appeal of it is in its simplicity. Maybe I'm wrong but the message I got from Rose Tico's commentary was the Rebels and Empire ultimately are two sides of the same coin as they're just being played for war profiteering. That's disasterous for Star Wars because it argues that The Empire is/was not largely in control of the Galaxy and the sacrifices the Rebels made were ultimately in vain.

Rian had good ideas, it was a far better choice that Rey was a nobody, it was a good contrast to Kylo Ren who essentially was Force Royalty. It was a great idea to have Kylo kill Snoke who I'm convinced JJ planned to reveal was Darth Plagueis.

The sequels, they had lots of talent. They even had a fairly solid cast of actors. It was just utilized horrifically. It's insane to me that Disney didn't bring a dump truck full of money to Jon Favreau to be essentially the Kevin Feige of Star Wars from the start of the buyout.

And yes I know that was Kathleen Kennedy's job, so the good news is I have reason to blame George Lucas for fucking up two Star Wars trilogies. George made her the head. I refuse to join the chorus of Lucas simps who want to pretend George's mistakes are water under the bridge. It all started to go wrong with Episode 1.

 

[TinCan Wizard]

Thankfully Rian Johnson made Star Wars more complex and realistic when he revealed that war profiteering is le bad.

Also both sides buy weapons from the same people for some reason.

Also fuel is a thing now! Who the fuck cared about ship fuel in all these decades? I know as a kid when I watched Jedi, I was on the edge of my seat hoping Lando doesn't run out of fuel in the middle of the death star!

 

[starborn427614]

Also fuel is a thing now! Who the fuck cared about ship fuel in all these decades? I know as a kid when I watched Jedi, I was on the edge of my seat hoping Lando doesn't run out of fuel in the middle of the death star!

I think Plinkett was right when he mentioned the thing about Luke flying all the way to Dagobah in one trip and it not mattering what type of fuel it was. Science fiction allows you to bypass that sort of thing, especially when you're not going for a more gritty and realistic take on the genre. Star Wars works best (at least me to me) with a layer of grime to it, but that doesn't make it any less fantastical.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

I bet Rian watched Clerks and felt Randall's contractor theory is deep stuff.

I thought JJ laid the groundwork here when it was revealed Finn was a stormtrooper assigned to "maintenance". (ha, ha, ha *gunshot*)

People will eventually destroy everything you once loved. Everything.

 

[Creep3r]

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Too late. Disney renamed her to Huttslayer Leia back in 2016 and stopped all merch of her slave bikini outfit outside of one ugly Black Series figure (that won a popularity poll) because it promoted sexist thinking.

https://www.wired.com/2016/05/cantina-talk-9/

Wookieepedo even deleted their article on the subject.

Disney also had her be treated as a demon all hutts were deathly afraid of in some gay Claudia Gray story. That's like if a bunch of mobsters became deathly afraid of a moll who stabbed her mean boss in the back when he wasn't looking rather than put a hit out on her for her arrogance.

 

[TinCan Wizard]

Hidalgo's behavior has been rather suspicious as of late (more so than usual), what with his recent dump of JJ drama that was a weirdly risky thing to do since Disney does not want anything regarding TFA's problematic production to get out as noted by JW Rinzler on youtube who even faced the risk of a lawsuit for so much as talking about it.

Perhaps getting all his Mando guides cancelled drove him over the edge? Or maybe the estrogen pills are finally driving him over the edge.
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Yes he almost had a troon phase a year ago.

Anyway, his recent tweets showed he was bitter about the sequels, but at the same time he's been doing nothing but drooling over Filoni's latest shows, even now after his job title changed. His behavior is all around strange as well as his title of "dispensable cog", like he was thrown away.

With Kathleen bringing all her friends, and them their friends friends he's probably sidelined. Being a ''white'' male and all.

 

[Ghostse]

Too late. Disney renamed her to Huttslayer Leia back in 2016 and stopped all merch of her slave bikini outfit outside of one ugly Black Series figure (that won a popularity poll) because it promoted sexist thinking.

https://www.wired.com/2016/05/cantina-talk-9/

Wookieepedo even deleted their article on the subject.

I've decided that "Hutt Slaying"/"Slaying the Hutt" is what one does when looking at pictures of Slave Leia & HQ cosplay there of.
"strangling jabba" also acceptable.

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I can't disagree with that. When I've slayed the hutt to Carrie Fisher in her metal space bikini, there's some firespray.

The point I was trying to make was that it was improper for Rian Johnson to devote a large segment of Star Wars for wimpy commentary on the military industrial complex. It does not fit Star Wars, Star Wars is a Sci-Fi fantasy tale.

Agreed, and that's sort of my point about the inane logistics of a "real" space navy. You can't make a realistic morality tale out of Star Wars because the more you think about it, the more nothing in Star Wars makes sense. You have to spend more and more time coming up with explanations when the real reason boils down to "Because plot says so".
And when its a naked morality tale, that doesn't work because you are trying to make an allegory with the real worldThere is no "plot" in real life.
As you said, Direct references to politics in Star Wars is a horrific mistake.


And Ruin smashing JJ's mystery boxes to reveal they had nothing inside the whole time was the only redeeming feature of TLJ.
I don't think JJ planned anything for anything. He at most had a list of possible contents. JJ set up his mystery boxes and figured Disney would hire great writers and directors who would decide what was in them and he'd get labeled a genius.
Instead he got Round Head and 2 and a half hours to try to salvage the mess (and inserting just enough Dyke & Fag representation that could be easily edited out for the Regions of Peace & China.).
I'd normally say something about Ruin directed one movie and ruined three, but PlanIX was never going to be a good movie.

And yes I know that was Kathleen Kennedy's job, so the good news is I have reason to blame George Lucas for fucking up two Star Wars trilogies. George made her the head. I refuse to join the chorus of Lucas simps who want to pretend George's mistakes are water under the bridge. It all started to go wrong with Episode 1.

Without the hype, the prequels are no longer as galling. And when you have a chance to step back and look their synopsi, you can see at the core they are decent movies and its easy to picture what could have been if Lucas had been tard wrangled,told no, and been forced to have a co-director to actually manage the actors.

But you are correct, TFA sucking ass and being a lazy retread or PlanIX being a cluster fuck does not make AOTC a good movie, make TPM any better as a star wars movie, or fix the characterization problems in ROTS.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

The fuel concerns and the war profiteering talk in TLJ aren't even particularly deep. Rey, Finn and Rose still teleport around the galaxy at the speed of plot and everything that could be said about the military industrial complex is boiled down to some rich guy selling surplus out of his yacht. Like everything that gets praise in that movie it's shallow window dressing meant to make midwits feel smart for noticing it in the first place.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I've decided that "Hutt Slaying"/"Slaying the Hutt" is what one does when looking at pictures of Slave Leia & HQ cosplay there of.
"strangling jabba" also acceptable.



I can't disagree with that. When I've slayed the hutt to Carrie Fisher in her metal space bikini, there's some firespray.


Agreed, and that's sort of my point about the inane logistics of a "real" space navy. You can't make a realistic morality tale out of Star Wars because the more you think about it, the more nothing in Star Wars makes sense. You have to spend more and more time coming up with explanations when the real reason boils down to "Because plot says so".
And when its a naked morality tale, that doesn't work because you are trying to make an allegory with the real worldThere is no "plot" in real life.
As you said, Direct references to politics in Star Wars is a horrific mistake.


And Ruin smashing JJ's mystery boxes to reveal they had nothing inside the whole time was the only redeeming feature of TLJ.
I don't think JJ planned anything for anything. He at most had a list of possible contents. JJ set up his mystery boxes and figured Disney would hire great writers and directors who would decide what was in them and he'd get labeled a genius.
Instead he got Round Head and 2 and a half hours to try to salvage the mess (and inserting just enough Dyke & Fag representation that could be easily edited out for the Regions of Peace & China.).
I'd normally say something about Ruin directed one movie and ruined three, but PlanIX was never going to be a good movie.



Without the hype, the prequels are no longer as galling. And when you have a chance to step back and look their synopsi, you can see at the core they are decent movies and its easy to picture what could have been if Lucas had been tard wrangled,told no, and been forced to have a co-director to actually manage the actors.

But you are correct, TFA sucking ass and being a lazy retread or PlanIX being a cluster fuck does not make AOTC a good movie, make TPM any better as a star wars movie, or fix the characterization problems in ROTS.

Leia choking Jabba the Hutt to death is a badass moment that is symbolic to the shit Jabba put everyone through. The fact that idiots are being pissy about her bikini is dumb.

 

[starborn427614]

Leia choking Jabba the Hutt to death is a badass moment that is symbolic to the shit Jabba put everyone through. The fact that idiots are being pissy about her bikini is dumb.

It's a case of missing the forest for the trees. A woman can't be sexually attractive AND be in control of things! How would society be able to cope?

 

[Adamska]

Without the hype, the prequels are no longer as galling. And when you have a chance to step back and look their synopsi, you can see at the core they are decent movies and its easy to picture what could have been if Lucas had been tard wrangled,told no, and been forced to have a co-director to actually manage the actors.

But you are correct, TFA sucking ass and being a lazy retread or PlanIX being a cluster fuck does not make AOTC a good movie, make TPM any better as a star wars movie, or fix the characterization problems in ROTS.

Two of the three PT films are decent; I still insist Attack of the Clones sucks structurally, has the lowest lows in the trilogy, and good scenes do not make up for it. Even then, you can kind of replace it with GenndyWars and it balances out IMO. Also it was embarrassing George tried to make Sheev Dubya with his lines in Sith speaking to the Senate. That just hurts my bones.

TFA isn't a film either, but that's because with the hype and goggles off, you realize it relied on other films to shore up what it's missing.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

Two of the three PT films are decent; I still insist Attack of the Clones sucks structurally, has the lowest lows in the trilogy, and good scenes do not make up for it. Even then, you can kind of replace it with GenndyWars and it balances out IMO. Also it was embarrassing George tried to make Sheev Dubya with his lines in Sith speaking to the Senate. That just hurts my bones.

TFA isn't a film either, but that's because with the hype and goggles off, you realize it relied on other films to shore up what it's missing.

I'm in the camp that there was a decent story in the PT but it needed a lot of Lucas tard wrangling to make it good. TPM should've been a Plagueis and Palpatine TV series, AOTC should've been moved to Episode I, Episode II should've been in the middle of the Clone Wars (maybe adapt one of the particularly grueling campaigns like Jabiim in all its soul crushing glory) and ROTS could be relatively unchanged structure wise if the previous two are more solid, you'd just need to clean up the characterization a bit. The Sequels on the other hand are irredeemable and just need to be thrown out entirely.

 

[Adamska]

I'm in the camp that there was a decent story in the PT but it needed a lot of Lucas tard wrangling to make it good. TPM should've been a Plagueis and Palpatine TV series, AOTC should've been moved to Episode I, Episode II should've been in the middle of the Clone Wars (maybe adapt one of the particularly grueling campaigns like Jabiim in all its soul crushing glory) and ROTS could be relatively unchanged structure wise if the previous two are more solid, you'd just need to clean up the characterization a bit. The Sequels on the other hand are irredeemable and just need to be thrown out entirely.

I've said before that while I fucking hate AotC, that the PT would've been better story line wise if it started at that point, then use GenndyWars as the middle but stretch it out so that the war doesn't end in three fucking years, and then Sith as the third.

It's just Phantom Menace is better than AotC, since it's a movie with decent focus until the climax, had longer high points and it also had higher low points.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

I'll just throw my hat into this whole discussion by saying that one massive indicator of the Prequel Trilogy having enough structurally good elements to be salvageable...is the quality of their novelizations. Think about it: the PT had enough redeeming qualities to make excellent novels out of, ones that had the breathing room and less runtime restrictions to flesh out the good things of the PT and make them great, and take the weak things and make them compelling. For instance, if you want to see George Lucas' ideas for Revenge of the Sith taken to an R-Rated extreme, refined through the prose and dialogue of a seasoned author, and tweaked by Lucas himself, the ROTS novelization is the closest thing we have to a Director's Cut of sorts. Without any initial redeeming qualities to start with, I don't think the novelizations would be anywhere near as good as they are.

The ST, on the other hand, has so few redeeming that not even seasoned authors like Alan Dean Foster and Jason Fry can construct a decent book off of the events of those films. The TFA and TLJ novelizations are terrible, because you have good authors trying to take the retarded ideas from anemically-plotted and vapid films and make them work....a noble effort that leads to a incredibly poor outcome.

And that's when you have good authors tackling these ideas; when you have an up and coming diversity hire who only has shitty YA books to her name, you get Rae Carson and her abysmal novelization for The Rise of Skywalker...which, I shit you not, is even worse than the actual film.

If that's even possible.

 

[Captain Autism69]

The PT had so much crap in between a good story, and horrible dialogue. Oh and absolute bullshit like the CGI Yoda fight. Yoda shouldn't be jumping around screaming, he should just be a stronk force user.

 

[Sneed F91]

it was a far better choice that Rey was a nobody, it was a good contrast to Kylo Ren who essentially was Force Royalty

"Rey Nobody" is entirely meaningless unless you're a hardcore Star Wars fan who spent the 2 years between the releases of TFA and TLJ endlessly speculating who Rey could be related to. Her familial relations wouldn't have explained the bullshit she pulled in TFA especially since she didn't even know what the force was a few hours before she fought Kylo Ren. It was supposed to be the "I am your father" moment of the DT but it falls completely flat because it doesn't actually matter. It doesn't affect her at all since after Kylo tells her this (how would he even know in the first place?) all she does is cry because her parents aren't famous which makes her look really shallow and selfish, but the next moment she's as happy as can be shooting down TIEs in the Falcon like nothing happened.

Every single Jedi we've seen up until TFA was a "nobody", not related to anyone special. Anakin was the fucking chosen one and the universe didn't bend its will to him, most people didn't care who he was and some people like Mace clearly didn't like him at all. Luke is the son of one of the most powerful force users who ever lived and nobody gives a shit except the Emperor. Hell, Finn, Poe, and Rose are fucking nobodies but TLJ doesn't give a damn about them.

Rey's ancestry being such an important plot point in the DT serves to show how bad of a character she is considering that the only reason she matters to the story is solely because of who she's related to, not because she's interesting or compelling in her own right. That's not even mentioning how the last two trilogies were directly about the Skywalker family, so her being some literal who makes even less sense.

I basically agree with most everything else you wrote though.

 

[The Valeyard]

Star Wars Theory has an existential crisis over wasting his time reading the CANON™ comics.

5:53 “When it comes to the movies and shows the comics don’t matter they can change things on a whim if they need to if it serves the story better which leaves me to wonder what the hell in the comics is legit and what isn’t and to be honest I’m kind of okay with that because there are some things in the comics, especially the new ones with Vader between Episode V and VI that I just find weird”