Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

[behindyourightnow]

Troons turning "women are other things that just birthing machines" into "birth is irrelevant to womanhood" is part of the fucked up post-modernism we live in. You don't have to be some sort of radical feminazi misandrist to think that society should consider more than just male perspectives in terms of how it plans itself, or that women can be more than just wives and mothers. But 51% of the human population has almost every aspect of the biology evolved for or affected by the fact that they will carry children, something that is fundamentally required for humanity as a whole to continue existing. Trying to shear away womanhood from that reality if fucking perverse, and really could only come from a fucked-up coombrained man. Womanhood and motherhood are inextricably linked. Even women who are unable to have children are affected and judged by that, as are women who choose to terminate pregnancies. It's pretty amazingly misogynistic when you realize that troons are essentially making it impossible for a majority of humanity to advocate for themselves without twisting into linguistic pretzels.

I think this is key. The troon movement might not have done so deliberately (or it might have, who knows) but in practice it has made any advocating or organizing or consciousness-raising among women almost impossible because they literally can't define themselves as a group anymore. They must always keep one eye on the metaphorical door to make sure no males barge in and accuse them of committing genocide by using the wrong language or focusing too much on the wrong thing.

It's not just that all the fiddling with language and definition drains time and energy (although it does), it literally makes describing one's group and their needs impossible, because the group has become meaningless. Plus, the boundaries can always change on a whim (the whim of males, that is). You couldn't have designed a better men's rights movement.

 

[Mealy Mouth Spittle]

Yea you’re seeing through some thick rose colored goggles. Tenured profs have always gotten away with dogshit behavior, the only difference is they weren’t on twitter.

Most people commenting in this thread have a really bizarre idea about how higher ed works. No one at Berkeley gives a fuck about Joe. Joe is a teeny tiny little fish in the UC system. English departments bring in no money, they’re usually lucky if they get housed in a building with running water.

Berkeley is known for computer science and engineering, those departments are the ones that get grants, tuition, names on fancy new buildings, etc. PhDs from these schools are the ones who get funded and hired. It’s understood terminal degrees in social studies will lead to an adjunct position at a community college if you’re lucky.

Never say never. Rhys McKinnon is a shining example of how a troon can fuck up even a near bulletproof tenured position. As long as he isn't causing a lot of grief for his department head, he is pretty safe. And Joe can probably be much more charming than Rhys and suck up enough to his boss to avoid disaster. But again, the troon ego is so massive that they start to fall for their own press and actually believe that Troon Teflon is indestructible. If he treats his professor job like he treated his Substack gig -- he could fail enough to be, maybe not fired, but encouraged to walk away.

But even if he keeps his teaching job, the funny thing is that in the not-so-distant future, that will be ALL that is left for Joe. He's had his 15 minutes of troon fame. He's too old, too fat, too ugly, and unable to hold his own in Twitter slap fights -- so he's got nothing to keep him in the spotlight. If he were a brilliant writer, he could occasionally be stupid on the internet and still get attention. But, he's obviously just a pretentious middle-aged man who has milked his British accent and posh schooling for a career in the States. He's going to end up being just another professor. The US is too large and there are too many universities for a professorship to be a celebrity status on its own. Even if it is at a prestigious institution. He'll have to slink back to being someone who teaches the filler classes that get thrown into the schedule for diversity points. There's no staggering penis in his future. It's flaccid mediocrity all the way down.

Also, I thought liberals were supposed to care about the environment. How can flying back and forth from CA to NYC be seen as acceptable? (Not to mention the covid risks of traveling out of state all the time.) Mallory could write anywhere. They should move near his job like most normal people do.

 

[FarmVille]

Never say never. Rhys McKinnon is a shining example of how a troon can fuck up even a near bulletproof tenured position. As long as he isn't causing a lot of grief for his department head, he is pretty safe. And Joe can probably be much more charming than Rhys and suck up enough to his boss to avoid disaster. But again, the troon ego is so massive that they start to fall for their own press and actually believe that Troon Teflon is indestructible. If he treats his professor job like he treated his Substack gig -- he could fail enough to be, maybe not fired, but encouraged to walk away.

But even if he keeps his teaching job, the funny thing is that in the not-so-distant future, that will be ALL that is left for Joe. He's had his 15 minutes of troon fame. He's too old, too fat, too ugly, and unable to hold his own in Twitter slap fights -- so he's got nothing to keep him in the spotlight. If he were a brilliant writer, he could occasionally be stupid on the internet and still get attention. But, he's obviously just a pretentious middle-aged man who has milked his British accent and posh schooling for a career in the States. He's going to end up being just another professor. The US is too large and there are too many universities for a professorship to be a celebrity status on its own. Even if it is at a prestigious institution. He'll have to slink back to being someone who teaches the filler classes that get thrown into the schedule for diversity points. There's no staggering penis in his future. It's flaccid mediocrity all the way down.

Also, I thought liberals were supposed to care about the environment. How can flying back and forth from CA to NYC be seen as acceptable? (Not to mention the covid risks of traveling out of state all the time.) Mallory could write anywhere. They should move near his job like most normal people do.

It’s possible but it all comes down to department politics which none of us can know.

Joe definitely has been searching for troon notoriety but he’s so fucking fat and ugly sitting around in his dog hair covered coat like some kind of rat faced babuschka hearing about his shriveled peen would lead any sane person to 41%

 

[Trianon]

(Lavery is married to Daniel, a trans man — a union that they consider “extremely gay” but from the outside looks more like heterosexuality with pretensions.)

a KIWI!?!?

It's "rather embarrassing" that Joe doesn't seem to be aware that "spontaneous abortion" is a synonym for "miscarriage."

It's unclear whether his original text said "miscarried fetus" or "aborted fetus." If the original text said "miscarried," then Sarah Ditum may correctly call it an "erection-abortion."

(If the original text said "aborted," then I'd argue that Sarah Ditum should not have used the word "miscarried" because "abortion" may also refer to non-spontaneous, aka medical or surgical, abortions.)

EDIT: Hol up, Joe already addressed this, or tried to. "Actually painful," what a piece of shit this guy is.
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"This is not what feminism looks like" I have no idea what he is saying. No woman who miscarried would be upset that it was called an abortion, and even if they did, it would be because they are pro-life and want to make absolutely certain no one is confused by the term. But I doubt Joe considers them "feminists." What is so offensive about abortions, Joe? I thought you wanted them on demand. You chose to keep your dick, just like you would choose an abortion, and have to deal with the consequences. You are shaming the women who feel no shame with their abortions, etc. etc., you have no internal consistency to anything you have ever said.

Maybe people wouldn't have to use stilted language like 'people with penises' that directly reference anatomy and bodily functions if others weren't playing games redefining women, eh Joe?

i'm probably reading too much into it, but his dumb definition that seems to suggest that women only exist during sex and in the relative safety and leisure of capitalist economies reminds me a bit of MRA logic. It implies that rather than being a description of material reality for adult human females, that it's a role that only exists because society requires fuckholes and sammich-makers. That in pre-agricultural communities and in post-apocalyptic end times women simply do not exist.

Woman is turned into what one does rather than what one is. Woman is a service one performs. A cultural artifact. It's like seeing 'woman' as the same as 'eunuch', or even 'accountant'. Sows, cows, and hens exist without societies and economies to define them into reality. Women.. not so much in Joe's mind. Like, I get the desire to try to dodge biological essentialism to advance women's rights. But this is where you end up when you try to pretend it's all arbitrary social structures. And Joe (maybe intentionally) misses that by claiming simple minds want simple definitions and divorces himself from reality.

"Woman is a service." If that doesn't hit the nail on the head. This is how we know he doesn't really believe he's a woman. All he does is expect real women to continue performing services for him, like not speaking our minds lest he go on a narcissistic tear. Oh well.

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

-These are early days, I hope many more reviews are to come. If I were a book reviewer, I'd love the chance to review honest-to-god messy piece of shit by a pretentious self-declared pervert who has no sense of boundaries and is also a raging misogynist. Joe is taking Ditum's review badly, despite his ha-ha I'm FINE with this posture on Twitter. I hope as bad reviews trickle or pour in that he realizes his jerk-off lazy deluded ideas about everything will smack up against reality and the world (beyond his cooing no-hoper fans on Twitter ) really gives him the scrutiny and attention he craves. It's gonna be ugly and I m here for it.

It's actually customary not to review bad/mediocre books by debut authors unless you can somehow justify it (ie if it's someone famous, the book itself blows up, there's a lot of marketing dollars gone into it). Unfortunately, Joe doesn't really ping any of requirements for them to review it, so unfortunately I don't think we'll get any non-TERFs or anything other than obscure gay mags to review it. I'd love to hear the thoughts from a completely normie literary reviewer with no stakes on either side because I'm sure it'd be funny.

 

[Dromedary]

It's actually customary not to review bad/mediocre books by debut authors unless you can somehow justify it (ie if it's someone famous, the book itself blows up, there's a lot of marketing dollars gone into it). Unfortunately, Joe doesn't really ping any of requirements for them to review it, so unfortunately I don't think we'll get any non-TERFs or anything other than obscure gay mags to review it. I'd love to hear the thoughts from a completely normie literary reviewer with no stakes on either side because I'm sure it'd be funny.

Joe has a previous book, "Quaint, Exquisite". University press but still. Loud internet personality on the trans tip hogging attention. Debut author.. eh, point taken. I would just like to see Please Miss widely reviewed, that's all.

 

[Allo Vera]

I can't agree with Ditum that the "staggering penis" subtitle is something genius she wishes she had come up with. But I suppose it's better than Joe's previous subtitle luridly mocking Anne Frank's death in the Holocaust.

It’s a play on the title of the Dave Eggers book “A Heartbreaking Work Of Staggering Genius”. It’s pretty funny, and no doubt the best thing about the book.

No woman who miscarried would be upset that it was called an abortion, and even if they did, it would be because they are pro-life and want to make absolutely certain no one is confused by the term.

Plenty of women do object to “spontaneous abortion” actually, but not because they’re pro-lifers. It’s just such a cold, harsh phrase - as so much medical terminology is - and, when you’re already in the depths of grief and blaming yourself for causing the miscarriage (Did I overdo it? Should I have been resting more? Eating better?) it can be a bitter pill to swallow to see your experience described as an abortion of any kind.

Anyway, it sounds like I’m on Joe’s side, getting offended about abortion and miscarriage being equated. I’m not. Medical language is what it is. I don’t want to have to think about Joe’s limp dick, or dead foetuses, and certainly not both at the same time.

 

[behindyourightnow]

"Hotter and younger"

Joe, you look like my Romanian great-grandmother. Who is dead.




(also, nice indication of what you value in women. Troons hate older women, and mothers in particular.)

 

[Prescription Bugs]

"Hotter and younger"

Joe, you look like my Romanian great-grandmother. Who is dead.

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(also, nice indication of what you value in women. Troons hate older women, and mothers in particular.)

My theory is he fancies himself a sort of Princess Grace-drives-around-the-curves in To Catch a Thief with that dopey ass scarf on his giant male head here. But maybe he is cosplaying supply chain issues in Former USSR and waiting in line for black bread.

Somebody who can capture video should go grab this off his Instagram stories. And try not to weep at Mallory. It has “I’m in a cult” vibes.

 

[cherrysour]

"Hotter and younger"

(also, nice indication of what you value in women. Troons hate older women, and mothers in particular.)

Everyone knows that the last round of women’s debate is the bikini contest. Is any view more misogynist, and male, than “the strength of a woman’s argument is determined by her beauty and youth”?

As far as that view coming from someone who looks like him…I half wonder if he’s trying to bait people into calling him ugly so he can claim victim- and woman-hood on Twitter. “Those nasty TERFs are calling me ugly! The only people this happens to are women!”

 

[Law]

Troons hate older women, and mothers in particular.

Reminds me of how troons will talk about how using slurs like "tranny" or "shemale" is a horrible crime, but then do they try to get Pornhub shut down? No, they try to get Mumsnet shut down.
Also "younger" isn't the own he thinks it is - will the troon squad still be "winning" in 5 years? 10 years? Youth is fleeting for everyone, not just troons.

 

[FarmVille]

My theory is he fancies himself a sort of Princess Grace-drives-around-the-curves in To Catch a Thief with that dopey ass scarf on his giant male head here. But maybe he is cosplaying supply chain issues in Former USSR and waiting in line for black bread.

Somebody who can capture video should go grab this off his Instagram stories. And try not to weep at Mallory. It has “I’m in a cult” vibes.


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Serious question, why hasn’t this thread been moved to the deathfats forum?

As far as that view coming from someone who looks like him…I half wonder if he’s trying to bait people into calling him ugly so he can claim victim- and woman-hood on Twitter. “Those nasty TERFs are calling me ugly! The only people this happens to are women!”

The internet is full to the brim of butt ugly Troons posting delusional selfies. They think because they have one stereotypical female feature—like unconditioned, ratty, split end prone long hair—this means they’re hyper feminine babes. Their existence is about repressing reality so they can’t see that they put the fug in fugly.

 

[Aelfled]

Somebody who can capture video should go grab this off his Instagram stories. And try not to weep at Mallory. It has “I’m in a cult” vibes.

No voice dysphoria for Graceless, huh... Also this is the first time I've heard his surname said and I'm cackling it's not lay-very like I'd thought, but rather pronounced how Brits say lavatory.

Something from this vid + all Joe/Mal pics I find particularly gross is how he disingenuously squeezes himself down to appear smol next to little Mal (or in pics nuzzles daintily into her err... entirely unmanly actually dainty small female head/neck). WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE KIDDING. YOU'RE A BUFFALO.

Also for all the media/podcast appearances he's had he's really shit at it. Just awkward and cringe. Young hawt troons and nbs aren't going to want to be you or be near you, Joe, no matter how much you talk about sex. No one wants to imagine you nude (so I suppose in that sense, thanks for the recent body covering babushka outfits)

 

[Law]

Something from this vid + all Joe/Mal pics I find particularly gross is how he disingenuously squeezes himself down to appear smol next to little Mal (or in pics nuzzles daintily into her err... entirely unmanly actually dainty small female head/neck). WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE KIDDING. YOU'RE A BUFFALO.

I love when hulking troonsters do this it's the funniest thing.
My favorites are always the extremely obvious ones. Like they'll kneel on the ground in front of smaller men and actual women. Or the live streamers who mash their shoulders back like they're trying to get their scalpulas to touch.
Like a bad toupee, it just draws attention to the problem. Insecure men are truly God's clowns.

 

[BluntyBitch]

WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE KIDDING. YOU'RE A BUFFALO.

*A lady buffalo with a dick akshully* -Joe Lavatory , probably

Joe Poopie
Grace PeePeePooPoo
Jos Toiletries
Joseph Krapper



(I'm drunk.)

Serious question, why hasn’t this thread been moved to the deathfats forum?

Joeseph Lavery is a fat buffalo and I would not have sex with it


Also i feel like there's a buck broken joke to be made here but I'm too lazy

 

[Law]

Instead of dwindling into mere heterosexuality they're dwindling into fat.

 

[mrae]

I checked the Amazon rankings for Joe's book.

Hardcover: #80,178
Audio: #32,250
Kindle: #56,274

To be a dick, and for comparison, I checked the ranking for Shrier's "Irreversible Damage" - published in June, 2020.
Hardcover: #35,688
Paperback: #2,251
Audio: #1,887
Kindle: #15,211

 

[Aelfled]

*A lady buffalo with a dick akshully* -Joe Lavatory , probably

Joe Poopie
Grace PeePeePooPoo
Jos Toiletries
Joseph Krapper

Joe "Christ I need the lav after that kombucha" Lavatory

Or, from the Scots slang for poop: Joe Jobbie.

I can't see a clear pic of the student troon's face but we know he's a Dubai skyscraper in human form, so one can only assume he's equally not-hot and disgusting/mentally ill enough to try and get off with Jobbie's flaccid sexual inadequacy at least the once before thinking nah even I'm too good for this.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

I love when hulking troonsters do this it's the funniest thing.
My favorites are always the extremely obvious ones. Like they'll kneel on the ground in front of smaller men and actual women. Or the live streamers who mash their shoulders back like they're trying to get their scalpulas to touch.
Like a bad toupee, it just draws attention to the problem. Insecure men are truly God's clowns.

Same with those godawful Hot Topic chokers - looks like Joe's too square to wear one of those - always trying to cover up their Adam's apples, never realizing how it's actually accentuating their "small anatomical problem". Especially those with a medal or a metal "buckle" at the front. Always going for a twisted, superficial appearance without understanding what makes it work. One could somewhat reasonably (higher emphasis on "somewhat") expect Graceless Lavatory to be able to analyze and understand the problem - considering his academic background -, but he's just another run-of-the-mill degenerate AGP narc creep.

I think it's fair to say he's got no interest outside of things that make him experience arousal i.e. pure degeneracy and corruption, both mental and physical. He knows how transgressive he is and loves every second of it, kind of like the character Divine in Pink Flamingos. The most important difference is that Jowls Lav has no talent for it and comes off as an edgy try-hard instead.
Like smearing a shit swastika on the sidewalk in front of a synagogue - sure it's going to piss off a lot of people and it's a statement I guess but what's the actual point?

Instead of dwindling into mere heterosexuality they're dwindling into fat.

And I wouldn't engage in any kind of sexual activity with any of them, Lily included.

 

[Law]

I would actually say that Joe isn't trangressive. He's just a bloke having a mid-life crisis.
Straight white overpaid neurotic English professor with tenure and a planet-sized ego is driven to recklessness due to his fear of impotence, aging and death. Yawn. Seen it all before.
The funny thing about narcissists is they are all, to a man, convinced that they are terminally unique, but they all act in the same predictable ways.