Dumb Shit on Wikipedia


Talk page of "Immigration and crime in Germany", you know you're in for some truly radioactive shit. It's too long to write a comprehensive analysis, so I'll just give you a lil taste:

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NOOOO YOU CANT WRITE BAD THINGS ABOUT HECKIN NIGGERINOS

Huh, who would have such strong opinions against writing about immigrant crim-

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Literal fedora tipping communist. Beyond parody
I liked these two next to each other:
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And then they link another page with the lame cop-out of Karl Popper


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..the problem with this is that this definition is continually fungible based on centrist liberal fashion and mood. We've gotten to the point where verifiable, inarguable biological realities are now intolerant (ie you will never be a woman).

They always gloss over the latter part of the quote, too. It's on the page, but they quickly argue it out if existence.



He was no fan of suppression of speech. The intolerance of intolerance, in his argument, only begins at the point where fists are being thrown by the intolerant themselves

Yes, Popper is using the actual meaning of "intolerant" as in unwillingness to listen to others' views, not the modern-day accusation that you are "intolerant" if you, e.g., disagree with troon logic:



Which ideological movements today are using denunciation, bans, and force to suppress others' rational arguments?
Yes, the more accurate citation is to not Popper but Repressive Tolerance by Herbert Marcuse: https://www.marcuse.org/herbert/publications/1960s/1965-repressive-tolerance-fulltext.html
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Former Justice Jackson clerk edited Wikipedia to bolster Jackson's SC chances: https://archive.md/cDzWL
It's not the part about Wikipedia but lol at the people who outed this guy demanding anonymity:
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Really needed it's own subheader. Thanks JoJo fans. Uhhh something something kono dio da this post was touched by Killer Queen
 
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Really needed it's own subheader. Thanks JoJo fans. Uhhh something something kono dio da this post was touched by Killer Queen
I think it's a reasonable subheader. JoJo is probably the most notable use of “Roundabout” in history, and it became a very notable internet meme in the late 2010’s. That should probably be acknowledged when talking about this song.
 
From the main Trump article:

“Scholars and historians rank Trump as one of the worst presidents in American history.”

No citation or anything, and this has been up for a while. I guess they’re fine with weasel words if they personally agree with the sentiment.
 
From the main Trump article:

“Scholars and historians rank Trump as one of the worst presidents in American history.”

No citation or anything, and this has been up for a while. I guess they’re fine with weasel words if they personally agree with the sentiment.
Don't wikipedos cream over muh 20 year rule?
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I'm sure this man is a unbiased historian and not an idealogue in any way.
 
Don't wikipedos cream over muh 20 year rule?
Before they had a post 1933-rule, what's the story about 20 years now? I saw something about a politics after 1991 editing rule, but I never followed the discussion on those things. It seems like modern political articles got about 10 times worse than they ever were after these rules were implemented.
 
Before they had a post 1933-rule, what's the story about 20 years now? I saw something about a politics after 1991 editing rule, but I never followed the discussion on those things. It seems like modern political articles got about 10 times worse than they ever were after these rules were implemented.
A long ways back there was a problem with random leftists editing 9/11 articles to claim any of the many conspiracies was the truth (same with the 2000 election, GMOs, vaccines (lol), and other cause célèbre) and the conservatives would quickly fix that shit. That was the original seed that led to the 1992+ topic bans. MONGO was a consistent enforcer of not-stupid-shit on the 9/11 pages so leftists who were convinced Bush planned it hated him and his 'cabal.' Check out this talk page and search for MONGO; the dude was absolutely obsessed. MONGO was a sort of bogeyman for the actual leftists and there was an informal circling of the wagons for conservatives over time: 2006 had the 9/11 topic ban on conspiracies but it was very testy.

Later, the resurgence of leftist activism around 2008/2009 coincided with a drop in new admins, leading to a lot of existing admins and editors with lots of time, no job, and a newly energized leftist bent. Before 2008 there weren't that many people online whose entire existence was politics but then it exploded, particularly on the left. With the tea party movement a lot of the not-necessarily-leftist members shifted to the left and there was the first broad American politics sanction. That originally covered all US related pages but later they felt it was overbroad and that led to the American politics 2 sanction, 1932+. Together they led to a few prominent conservatives (like MONGO) from getting topic banned and was amended last year to 1992+. The reasoning was ostensibly to prevent conflicts over modern politics, but the Reagan-Bush years were definitely the start of the modern order, so I think it was more that people banned for being confrontational over Trump could still bitch about Reagan.

The gender gap/Gamergate crap also played a role because Jimmy Wales explicitly wanted to get rid of anybody opposed to the changes to what is essentially an unwritten "code of conduct," but I think it was already a virtually done deal at that point. Most of the major players opposed were older editors because newer ones were just banned outright or wouldn't even bother becoming editors. I wrote a little bit about that in the GorillaWarfare thread but I can't be arsed to find it now.
 
A long ways back there was a problem with random leftists editing 9/11 articles to claim any of the many conspiracies was the truth (same with the 2000 election, GMOs, vaccines (lol), and other cause célèbre) and the conservatives would quickly fix that shit. That was the original seed that led to the 1992+ topic bans. MONGO was a consistent enforcer of not-stupid-shit on the 9/11 pages so leftists who were convinced Bush planned it hated him and his 'cabal.' Check out this talk page and search for MONGO; the dude was absolutely obsessed. MONGO was a sort of bogeyman for the actual leftists and there was an informal circling of the wagons for conservatives over time: 2006 had the 9/11 topic ban on conspiracies but it was very testy.

Funny that I never noticed MONGO, but I didn't get involved in the 911 wars. The bulk of what might be called conservative editors either got banned outright, bullied off the site, or in Mongo's case, seem to stick mostly to non political safe subjects. There are a couple friends who attempt to keep certain areas sane, but it is a complete losing battle.

I can see even in the last 3-4 years some of the worst leftist editors (Jzg) coming on Mongo's talk page and using it to sperg about who cares political bullshit:

 
This might fit better in a thread about "Dumb Shit I Wonder About On Wikipedia", but I wonder whether there's any editorial guidelines about when Wikipedia calls something a "clever pun". I decided to look up the phrase myself
6 articles came up
  1. Botan Candy (a Japanese candy): The candy's name, Botan (hiragana: ぼたん), is a clever pun on the name of the larger category bontan ame: botan means peony, but this brand also has the traditional bontan-like (pomelo-like) citrus flavor. It's a foreign-language-pun, so I can't say how clever it actually is.
  2. Emmet Brickowski (Lego Movie character): Although it is seen as a clever pun on a real person's surname ending in "-owski" (with "Brick-" coming from a Lego brick), Emmet's surname is believed to have drawn inspiration from former NBA player Frank Brickowski. I'd go so far as to say that this is not clever and also not a pun.
  3. The Lion Grown Old (an Aesop's Fable): The English versions of La Fontaine’s fable which began to appear from early in the 18th century were also individual interpretations. That in Bernard de Mandeville’s Aesop Dress’d (1704) is largely an elegant paraphrase and ends with a clever pun. The pun isn't provided so I can't comment. If it is a clever pun it would be the only one.
  4. Saint-Germain l'Auxerrois (a French cathedral): One sculptural decoration is a clever pun; it depicts several slices, or "troncons", of fish; they honor a merchant named Tronson who was a major donor to the construction of the church. One of the better puns here. Not terribly clever IMO, but the closest thing to it.
  5. Bangla Desh (a George Harrison song): Author Ian Inglis comments that the line "Now won't you give some bread to get the starving fed" contains a "clever pun", whereby the word "bread" is used to refer to both money and food. In this case the Wiki author is quoting someone else calling it clever.
  6. Pub names (specifically the name "Swan With Two Necks"): The word 'nick' was mistaken for 'neck', and so the Vintners spotted that a Swan With Two Necks could afford them a rather clever pun, and a striking pub sign. As opposed to a swan with two nicks carved in its beak. The worst pun here. Boooo.
 
This is not even a pun, because it's literally called ボンタンアメin Japanese. Bontan-Ame. Pomelo candy. It's transliterated Botan by the importer. This is either because they thought bontan is harder to pronounce, or so they don't fall afoul of trademark laws selling an off-brand candy as the real thing.
 
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