Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

I've actually noticed Chris rarely lies-lies. Rather he tells half truths and construes the facts to make himself appear better.

He tells outright lies quite frequently. They only seem like half-truths because his lies are so badly constructed. The purpose of a half-truth is to lend credibility to the lie. With Chris, the lie lends credibility to the truth that can be inferred from it.
 
What is the minimum sentence for incest alone? Maybe if Chris is lucky - as he usually is - the prosecutor can't prove rape and body harm, so he gets away with incest alone. Incest is disguisting and retarded but still - rightfully - illegal in most places, even if not considered a serious felony. He's already in custody since half a year. Maybe if, say, Virginia's minimum sentence for incest is 6 months and he'll get that, could he be released in a few months and even get compensation for the excess time spend in jail?

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Wikipedia says it's a year in jail for Virginia. So if he's lucky Chris really could get released next summer.
 
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What is the minimum sentence for incest alone? Maybe if Chris is lucky - as he usually is - the prosecutor can't prove rape and body harm, so he gets away with incest alone. Incest is disguisting and retarded but still - rightfully - illegal in most places, even if not considered a serious felony. He's already in custody since half a year. Maybe if, say, Virginia's minimum sentence for custody is 6 months and he'll get that, could he be released in a few months and even get compensation for the excess time spend in jail?

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Wikipedia says it's a year in jail for Virginia. So if he's lucky Chris really could get released next summer.
That's most likely the plan is to get Chris to rack up a year time served then he can cut a deal.

No matter how famous we all think Chris is, the reality is that he's a literal nobody who nobody outside this weird corner of the internet knows or cares about. Especially within the courts.

Also reality is that the crime he committed isn't very serious, relative to probably half the other shit on the state's docket right now. Gross yes but it literally is just garden variety redneck virginia trailer trash horseshit. He didn't kill barb and try to wear her skin. He's not getting a life sentence, he's not getting drawn and quartered. He's gonna be released on probation to a tard home somewhere.

Hell I think the absolute harshest punishment he could possibly receive is that as a condition of his probation he's forced to look for and hold down a fucking job for once! Or so we can fucking hope.
 
He tells outright lies quite frequently. They only seem like half-truths because his lies are so badly constructed. The purpose of a half-truth is to lend credibility to the lie. With Chris, the lie lends credibility to the truth that can be inferred from it.
He didn't lie about fucking Barb though. He just made a really strange riddle out of it that Null couldn't even make heads or tails of. He also didn't lie about stealing the money. He said he was using the money and would pay it back which is different from just saying "No, never!"
 
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and not said it was him channeling his energy he could've done worse things with elsewhere.

But that doesn't mean Chris actually has that "energy".

Tank his credit score, shove him into debt and ruin his life further.

Too late. Chris already did all that to himself.

Besides, none of that puts any money (which he doesn't actually have) into their pockets. Even shady businesses are in business to make money, not provide financially inert lumps like Chris with gratis transportation for a few days.

What I'm saying is that he will have one soon enough, but I'm expecting it to be an absolute trainwreck of an experience.

If the car only lasts three days or thirty feet off the lot, then it doesn't count. Or matter.

Chris would definitely fuck up with a car eventually, but the odds of him managing it in just three days before the car breaks down are almost non-existent.


That's most likely the plan is to get Chris to rack up a year time served then he can cut a deal.

No, the plan is just to cut a deal, place him somewhere, and be done with him. If they can rid themselves of Chris before a year, they will.
 
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What is the minimum sentence for incest alone?

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Wikipedia says it's a year in jail for Virginia. So if he's lucky Chris really could get released next summer.

There is no minimum sentence. Class 5 felonies can wobble down to a Class 1 misdemeanor, which means there's a maximum one year sentence or a fine of up to $2500, but no minimum. If the sentence is longer than one year, then it is a felony, with a maximum ten year sentence.

Chris could theoretically be sentenced to a $1 fine and 0 days in jail. (Though obviously they won't actually do this, and he already has tons of time served to burn so any sentence less than time-served would be pointless.)
 
Never mind lying, pretty much anyone would know to keep their mouth shut.
He may well have thought, "I shouldn't tell anyone about our soul bonding, hmm. The haters and trolls are probably going to react badly."

But apparently he also thought:" I really really want to be able to brag about finally finding a boyfriend-free girl. The quest is over! I'm telling the whole of C-197! 'She's in the over-50 crowd...'"

(edited to fix typo)
 
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He may well have thought, "I shouldn't tell anyone about our soul bonding, hmm. The haters and trolls are probably going to react badly."

He knew it went beyond haters and trolls. It's fairly clear Chris knew incest is inherently wrong and consequences would be forthcoming. He just didn't care since he thought he could get away with it.

But apparently he a thought:" I really really want to be able to brag about finally finding a boyfriend-free girl. The quest is over! I'm telling the whole of C-197! 'She's in the over-50 crowd...'"

Yep. Gotta love that Honest Content.
 
He tells outright lies quite frequently. They only seem like half-truths because his lies are so badly constructed. The purpose of a half-truth is to lend credibility to the lie. With Chris, the lie lends credibility to the truth that can be inferred from it.
He's also a big fan of lies of omission, he practically confessed to Null he was fucking his mom. What "mature woman" would want to date a fat tranny sperg with the hygene of a 40k player?
 
He's also a big fan of lies of omission, he practically confessed to Null he was fucking his mom. What "mature woman" would want to date a fat tranny sperg with the hygene of a 40k player?
We’ve been informed that older women are sometimes horny to a desperate and delusional degree.

And sometimes you get that plus “I can fix him” types.
 
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What "mature woman" would want to date a fat tranny sperg with the hygene of a 40k player?

You would be surprised. And horrified. You really don't want to go there. It ain't pretty.

We’ve been informed that older women are sometimes horny to a desperate and delusional degree.

Some older women. Only some of them. But they're more than bad enough to make up for the others.
 
Would it be worth it to have a paragraph explaining what “diminished capacity” means, what happens when someone is deemed as such, and why Chris won’t be?
 
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Would it be worth it to have a paragraph explaining what “diminished capacity” means, what happens when someone is deemed as such, and why Chris won’t be?

OK. Although Chris could very much be found to have diminished capacity. If found guilty at trial, there would almost certainly be a diminished capacity argument during sentencing.

It's important to understand that even though the chances of a trial are very low, what *could* happen in a trial is directly relevant in the plea negotiations.

EDIT: Diminished capacity has remained relevant for sentencing pretty much everywhere, even in places where it was removed from determining guilt. Backlash to diminished capacity was mostly over cases like the trial of Dan White (who killed Harvey Milk and George Moscone), who was able to avoid a murder conviction due to diminished capacity.

It's meanwhile stayed pretty normal for someone to receive a shorter *sentence* for diminished capacity, though this was weakened for many specific, serious crimes with mandatory minimum sentencing laws.

In Chris' case, he's lucky because recent legislation has effectively brought back diminished capacity to the actual trial.

EDIT 2: I should also clarify that while Chris' mental conditions can now be presented as a defense in trial, they might not help much, as such an argument would mostly be related to intent, rather than action. For incest, the reasons *why* it happened aren't as important as the fact that it happened.

Like, if you really wanted to stretch it, you could argue that Chris mental deficiencies meant he really thought he was "healing" Barb. The question is whether the court would even care, since he still did it. The argument would be like that after a car accident it's okay to reach inside an unconscious woman's vagina without permission if there's a dangerous object stuck inside it.

Chris is now allowed to make such an argument, but it might not do much good.
 
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It occurred to me that there is one other bizarre possibility for the situation. Chris being held on suspicion of a felony but Heilberg has somehow, for some reason, managed to push off the probable cause hearing for an entire year. Up until now I've been assuming it has to be on misdemeanor charges because ordinarily it would not have stayed in J&DR.

I don't see how or why the court would put up with that, but it's technically possible.

I'd love to review J&DR cases to see if that's happened before, but I can't since it's J&DR.

I wish the people at the first J&DR hearing had taken better notes.
 
Backlash to diminished capacity was mostly over cases like the trial of Dan White (who killed Harvey Milk and George Moscone), who was able to avoid a murder conviction due to diminished capacity.

The outrage there was more about his justification for DimCap instead DimCap in general, and also from typical misrepresentation in the media. People thought Dan White was claiming DimCap because he ate too many twinkies, when in reality he was claiming DimCap due to "depression", and said his twinkie consumption was a symptom of that "depression". The jury fell for his "depression" bullshit (or were looking for any excuse to absolve him - Moscone and Milk were not as universally popular as modern media portray them) and settled on manslaughter instead of murder.

Meanwhile, anyone can look at Chris and see he's DimCap all the way. Chris doesn't need a twinkie defense. He IS the twinkie.

For incest, the reasons *why* it happened aren't as important as the fact that it happened.

Also how to keep it from happening again.


I wish the people at the first J&DR hearing had taken better notes.

What's the point of having all these weens if they can't take proper notes? Instead they seem to only be interested doing the bare minimum to prove they were there.
 
Meanwhile, anyone can look at Chris and see he's DimCap all the way. Chris doesn't need a twinkie defense. He IS the twinkie.

OK, Winner award right there.

Also how to keep it from happening again.

I meant from a legal standpoint, even with Chris' mental illness, it would be hard to apply to the incest charge as a reason for him being not guilty. The only advantage I can see from that is if you were somehow able to introduce the evidence early instead of having to bring it up suddenly at sentencing. Previously, you wouldn't have been allowed to bring it up at all until sentencing.

It's illegal to fuck your mother, even if your mental illness makes you think you're doing a good deed.

It's not something like, say murder vs. manslaughter, where state of mind is a factor.

In sentencing, sure.

What's the point of having all these weens if they can't take proper notes? Instead they seem to only be interested doing the bare minimum to prove they were there.

Frustratingly, the journalists present didn't do much better. Everyone was distracted by the foot stamping and whining.

I mean, I don't totally blame them. I still love that Chris' response when asked about how he would plan being out on bail was that he needed to get his toys first.

My main point though is that my assumption that Chris is just being prosecuted on a misdemeanor goes totally out the window if, instead of Consolvo voluntarily not asking for a felony indictment, Heilberg has been actively thwarting it. I don't see how the court could let that happen for six months, let alone an entire year, but while I was writing the FAQ while the farms were down, I suddenly had this feeling that I could be very, very wrong.
 
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In sentencing, sure.

This case has always been all about the sentencing. Chris fucked his mother, and that's illegal. Facts. So what then does the court do with him? That's the only question here.

Again, Chris is a problem to solve, not a case to be won. One of the reasons why I think this is staying in the J&DR court is because the J&DR court can be a lot more flexible in sentencing, and so has potentially more solutions available.

Frustratingly, the journalists present didn't do much better.

They never do. Boring old diligent fact taking doesn't sell papers.

I still love that Chris' response when asked about how he would plan being out on bail was that he needed to get his toys first.

Chris gonna Chris.

I want to know if he actually said "toys" or did he really just mumble about "everything back home"?

My main point though is that my assumption that Chris is just being prosecuted on a misdemeanor goes totally out the window if, instead of Consolvo voluntarily not asking for a felony indictment, Heilberg has been actively thwarting it.

The timing says no to me. How would this latest continuance make any sense if that were the case? If Heilberg was being adversarial, they'd be giving him the bare minimum and making him earn it. I really can't see the court agreeing to a six month continuance (especially one ending right before they'd be cutting Chis loose anyways on a misdemeanor charge) if the court wasn't going along with it.

Then again, normalcy tends to go out the window when Chris is involved.
 
Fantastic post @Pointless Sperg, really rounded up every possible point that’s been said over this long, informative amd often confusing legal dispute. Just one last possibly stupid question, if you will, I understand that it’s been mentioned here that the minimum possible sentence for what Chris’s has done is about a full year of incarceration, but what is the maximum worst possible sentence he could receive of a crime of this level? I heard somebody say that it was possibly up to a decade, but this seems like a nebulous claim and is unlikely even for something like this. Generally speaking what would be the worst sentencing he could receive and by extension what is the maximum time a person could be sentenced for any class 5 felony?
 
I want to know if he actually said "toys" or did he really just mumble about "everything back home"?

The way I read it, I think he wanted to get "everything back home", as in all the stuff he left at the hotel needed to get back to 14BC (including SonChu). He had just done a shopping trip at the mall with Barb's "blessings in minimum abundance".

The timing says no to me. How would this latest continuance make any sense if that were the case? If Heilberg was being adversarial, they'd be giving him the bare minimum and making him earn it. I really can't see the court agreeing to a six month continuance (especially one ending right before they'd be cutting Chis loose anyways on a misdemeanor charge) if the court wasn't going along with it.

Then again, normalcy tends to go out the window when Chris is involved.

Yeah, I still agree that is most likely. It's just when I'm working with limited information I tend to think of other possibilities out of paranoia. While it's no skin off my back if I'm wrong about something on the internet, I still have that habit.

I understand that it’s been mentioned here that the minimum possible sentence for what Chris’s has done is about a full year of incarceration, but what is the maximum worst possible sentence he could receive of a crime of this level? I heard somebody say that it was possibly up to a decade, but this seems like a nebulous claim and is unlikely even for something like this. Generally speaking what would be the worst sentencing he could receive and by extension what is the maximum time a person could be sentenced for any class 5 felony?

The minimum possible penalty is a $1 fine, or no penalty at all. The maximum possible sentence is 10 years in prison.

The maximum possible sentence in J&DR court, without sending the case to Circuit Court, is 12 months in jail.

If you read the FAQ where it explains what a class 5 felony is, I list the Virginia statute where the penalties for the various classes of felonies are explained. You can google the number to get a link to it. I should probably add links at some point but I spent hours typing it up already and I needed a break.

Basically the description of penalties for a Class 5 felony lists two options. 1 to 10 years in prison (i.e. as a felony), or on discretion of the court, 0-12 months in jail (making it a misdemeanor).

That the case has spent 6 months in J&DR court, and now is pretty much guaranteed to stay there for an entire year, is why I believe Chris is only facing it as a misdemeanor, because they've had enough time to send him to Circuit Court if they wanted to, and they haven't. They still can, but it would be odd for them to wait an entire year to do it.
 
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