Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

[Canned-Ham]

It’s too dangerous for a retarded man to understand how to live safely as a homeless man. Probably would get killed. Either by accident or murdered. Maybe a plea deal for a 10 year sentence is the best outcome here for Chris Chan. And yeah I know that Chris Chan is scared of the other inmates and would be terrified of going to prison because then he wouldn’t be in his comfortable solitaire confinement anymore

Im not sure how prisons work in his state. But he is going to end up in maximum security. He is going to be disruptive and cause a lot of problem where ever he goes because he doesn't know how to act. They will know what hes in for and that he took advantage of a mentally disabled woman. He will be viewed as low of the low. He will constantly be assaulted by inmates and guards. He will be extorted and sexually assaulted. There is a very good chance he is seriously injured or killed because he tattles on someone or because of his behavior. He will spend long stretches of time in isolation in the shu. The amount of box time he will rack up will be legendary. Any semblance of sannity he has left will be gone. Being homeless would 100% be safer for chris. starvation and death from exposure are not guarenteed. but the outcomes i mentioned are if he goes to prison. He's not even smart enough or capable of the social skills necessary to lie about what hes in for and to lay a low profile. If he doesn't get got for being a predator, one of his many character flaws would.

 

[Level 43]

Everything else is just making excuses for Chris.

I think being Chris is the excuse. He's the perfect foil for commonly held concepts of free will and responsibility. (Society wouldn't function without the latter, but individual atoms banging around don't care about it.)

 

[Cybertonia]

Im not sure how prisons work in his state. But he is going to end up in maximum security. He is going to be disruptive and cause a lot of problem where ever he goes because he doesn't know how to act. They will know what hes in for and that he took advantage of a mentally disabled woman. He will be viewed as low of the low. He will constantly be assaulted by inmates and guards. He will be extorted and sexually assaulted. There is a very good chance he is seriously injured or killed because he tattles on someone or because of his behavior. He will spend long stretches of time in isolation in the shu. The amount of box time he will rack up will be legendary. Any semblance of sannity he has left will be gone. Being homeless would 100% be safer for chris. starvation and death from exposure are not guarenteed. but the outcomes i mentioned are if he goes to prison. He's not even smart enough or capable of the social skills necessary to lie about what hes in for and to lay a low profile. If he doesn't get got for being a predator, one of his many character flaws would.

die chris die

 

[Pickle Inspector]

Those two statements are mutually contradictory.

If Chris is creating his own problems, then all he has to do is stop. That's a chance. That's a lot of chances. They're all chances he's squandering, but they're still a chance.

Everything else is just making excuses for Chris.

An ongoing problem seems to be Chris doesn’t really get any significant consequences for his bad behaviour, aside from the current jail sentences that is, the only thing he’s really had to deal with is not getting his own way be it being banned from stores and having to go to another one or not getting women to date him.

 

[A-№1]

Since incest is a felony trial

Not if it stays in the J&DR court. Chris is up for misdemeanor incest, not felony incest. The J&DR court would have to kick him up to the criminal courts if they wanted to pursue felony charges. They haven't done that, even after all these months. That says a lot about how the court is dealing with him. It says plea deal. It does not say giant Perry Mason style jury trial.

I think being Chris is the excuse.

Chris is who he is from the choices he's made and the constant excuses made for those choices by the people around him. By continuing to make excuses for him, you are also enabling him to remain the shitty pretense for a human being he has made of himself.

An ongoing problem seems to be Chris doesn’t really get any significant consequences for his bad behaviour,

Give it time. Chris isn't avoiding consequences. He's only storing up his consequences for later. With interest.

Homelessness will not be kind to Chris.

 

[Ser Ciappelletto]

Im not sure how prisons work in his state.

Could have stopped yourself right here.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

Not if it stays in the J&DR court. Chris is up for misdemeanor incest, not felony incest. The J&DR court would have to kick him up to the criminal courts if they wanted to pursue felony charges. They haven't done that, even after all these months. That says a lot about how the court is dealing with him. It says plea deal. It does not say giant Perry Mason style jury trial.



Chris is who he is from the choices he's made and the constant excuses made for those choices by the people around him. By continuing to make excuses for him, you are also enabling him to remain the shitty pretense for a human being he has made of himself.



Give it time. Chris isn't avoiding consequences. He's only storing up his consequences for later. With interest.

Homelessness will not be kind to Chris.

I dunno, with his luck he’ll be let in a woman’s shelter while a friendly government official sets him up with a nice section 8 apartment all while Chris complains about being hard done by.

 

[Pappy Striderite]

Chris can't be forced to stay in a group home. He can always choose to be incarcerated again or go live on the streets.

lol you know what i meant. yes, 'forced' is of course more like "forced to choose between probation rule, or default back to prison". what i should have included was that homelessness might not be an option. his remaining life could be choosing between behaving himself in a home or behaving badly in prison.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

lol you know what i meant. yes, 'forced' is of course more like "forced to choose between probation rule, or default back to prison". what i should have included was that homelessness might not be an option. his remaining life could be choosing between behaving himself in a home or behaving badly in prison.

After the painful process of separating Chris from Barb and his old house along with possessions I think it’ll be a lot easier, give Chris a TV with cartoons and a video game console and that’s him mostly placated.

But until he can get it through his head he can’t just go back to his old home I’d say the chances of him returning to jail are very high.

 

[A-№1]

I dunno, with his luck he’ll be let in a woman’s shelter

Not with what he's been up to. Just because he hasn't been charged with rape doesn't mean the courts don't think he did it.

while a friendly government official sets him up with a nice section 8 apartment

And let Chris jump the queue? Chris is going to be placed in a managed care group home at best, and possibly a thirty day respite home at worst. And that only because the courts are required to place speds like him somewhere.

Chris has gotten by in life largely by being more trouble than he's worth to punish. But the corollary to that is he's also more trouble than he's worth to help.

Chris is going to face something far, far worse than punishment: indifference.

while Chris complains about being hard done by.

When does Chris not complain?

his remaining life could be choosing between behaving himself in a home or behaving badly in prison.

There will be intervals on the street between the tard home and incarceration.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

Not if it stays in the J&DR court. Chris is up for misdemeanor incest, not felony incest. The J&DR court would have to kick him up to the criminal courts if they wanted to pursue felony charges. They haven't done that, even after all these months. That says a lot about how the court is dealing with him. It says plea deal. It does not say giant Perry Mason style jury trial.

I've been trying to find case law examples of what Chris can possibly face but it seems to be very rare for an adult son to fuck his geriatric mother, however I did find this:

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/18.2-366

§ 18.2-366. Sexual intercourse by persons forbidden to marry; incest; penalties.​

A. Any person who engages in sexual intercourse with any person whom he is forbidden by law to marry is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor except as provided by subsection B.
B. Any person who engages in sexual intercourse with his daughter or granddaughter, son or grandson, or father or mother is guilty of a Class 5 felony. However, if a parent or grandparent engages in sexual intercourse with his child or grandchild, and such child or grandchild is at least 13 years of age but less than 18 years of age at the time of the offense, such parent or grandparent is guilty of a Class 3 felony.
C. For the purposes of this section, parent includes stepparent, grandparent includes step-grandparent, child includes a stepchild, and grandchild includes a step-grandchild.
Code 1950, § 18.1-191; 1960, c. 358; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1981, c. 397; 1993, c. 703; 2014, c. 542; 2020, cc. 122, 900.

I believe the original incest charge was not based on any hard, concrete evidence the court had because if they believed him to have actually fucked Barb, it sounds like it's automatic felony due to the fact that he did have sexual intercourse.

I'm finding that Virginia's laws state that for it to be a misdemeanor, it would be like cousins going at it. Felony comes in when a son has intercourse with a parent.

I also don't understand the idea that the court is going to let Chris plea down to a misdemeanor when the law stipulates what he did is an automatic felony. I can't see the judge even considering that.

 

[AnOminous]

People who are homeless on account of Eminent Domain?

How many of these are there? Most eminent domain settlements are for well above fair market value, even though they're only required to offer that, because of the hefty cost and protracted proceedings that are involved challenging these things.

If you can you want to be the last holdout because now these simpletons have $10 million in construction that can't do dick because you're there. Then you make them an offer out of the blue that would have been ridiculous at the outset and let them indignantly haggle it down to what you were willing to get anyway.

Plus you get the fun of being the crazy uncle yelling get off my land.

At the very worst you'd be able to afford a decent rental after getting ED'd.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Since this a criminal trial, not a petty misdemeanor trial. Chris' sentencing is set in stone, what is the likelyhood of jurors read about Chris on internet, his deviant behaviour, stalking, harrasment, macing employees and disturbingly detailed admissions of guilt.

That being said would be possible to keep truly unbiased jurors considering all of the above.

Internet savvy jury would unanimously see Chris guilty when they realise that Chris would fuck his senile mother when given the chance.

Chris is in a court that only hears misdemeanors. He's in Juvie/Family court. Even if it went to trial, it would be a bench trial without a jury (unless he appealed and demanded a jury trial later, whereupon it would get kicked up to circuit court)

I'm finding that Virginia's laws state that for it to be a misdemeanor, it would be like cousins going at it. Felony comes in when a son has intercourse with a parent.

I also don't understand the idea that the court is going to let Chris plea down to a misdemeanor when the law stipulates what he did is an automatic felony. I can't see the judge even considering that.

In Virginia, Class 6 and Class 5 felonies can also be prosecuted as Class 1 Misdemeanors. Most states have some sort of wobbler status for minor felonies. This flexibility is a huge incentive in plea deals. The exact verbiage is:

or in the discretion of the jury or the court trying the case without a jury, confinement in jail for not more than 12 months and a fine of not more than $2,500, either or both.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

In Virginia, Class 6 and Class 5 felonies can also be prosecuted as Class 1 Misdemeanors. Most states have some sort of wobbler status for minor felonies. This flexibility is a huge incentive in plea deals. The exact verbiage is:

That may be true, but I don't think it will be in Chris's case, it's just too big of a deal. That and he freely admitted to everything, the court case is Chris's confession to doing all that. There's no reason to entice Chris to plead to a lesser charge since he already freely admitted everything. Besides, why would the court even do that? What, is Chris now going to plead not guilty despite confessing to everything and is extremely proud of it?

 

[Pointless Sperg]

That may be true, but I don't think it will be in Chris's case, it's just too big of a deal. That and he freely admitted to everything, the court case is Chris's confession to doing all that. There's no reason to entice Chris to plead to a lesser charge since he already freely admitted everything. Besides, why would the court even do that? What, is Chris now going to plead not guilty despite confessing to everything and is extremely proud of it?

Because then the tiny one-man-and-his-secretary Greene County prosecutor's office doesn't have to spend its resources on a trial in circuit court, and instead keeps it in kiddie court, resolved in a hearing. This also keeps it quiet so that they don't have media and weens descending on the circuit court for the famous Greene County Tard Trial.

Because this is how 95% of all convictions are obtained anyway, trials cost money. The prosecutor's job is to get a conviction while avoiding a trial.

 

[Hopkinsville Goblin]

lol you know what i meant. yes, 'forced' is of course more like "forced to choose between probation rule, or default back to prison". what i should have included was that homelessness might not be an option. his remaining life could be choosing between behaving himself in a home or behaving badly in prison.

Is he really that badly behaved in jail? It seems like he's being fairly compliant. The jail allows him to buy commissary items and borrow books, and he probably spends a lot of time sleeping and writing letters. He'd probably lose privileges if he weren't following the rules. I'm sure the jail staff have plenty of more dangerous criminals to deal with, and Chris has said in letters that he's made allies with the staff.

Also I wonder when he's next seen outside of jail, will he still have the seaweed hair? I think inmates have made hair dye out of Kool-aid but I think unnatural colors are frowned upon.

 

[A-№1]

I also don't understand the idea that the court is going to let Chris plea down to a misdemeanor when the law stipulates what he did is an automatic felony.

It's not a matter of pleading down. Misdemeanor incest is what he's actually charged with, not felony incest. If they want to charge him instead with felony incest, they would have to kick the case up to the criminal court, but instead they are keeping his case in the juvenile and domestic relations court. Why they are doing that is the subject of much speculation, but the fact remains that that is exactly what the court is doing.

If you can you want to be the last holdout because now these simpletons have $10 million in construction that can't do dick because you're there.

That depends on if they're building a new airport or a new dam.

Chris is in a court that only hears misdemeanors. He's in Juvie/Family court. Even if it went to trial, it would be a bench trial without a jury (unless he appealed and demanded a jury trial later, whereupon it would get kicked up to circuit court)

This.

Chris could potentially force himself into circuit court, only to be rewarded with a felony charge for his troubles, but everyone on this case (and I do mean EVERYONE - prosecution, defense, and judge) will be doing everything in their power to keep him from doing that and take a plea deal. As much as weens would like to see Chris go before a jury, the court is doing everything possible to prevent that.

Besides, why would the court even do that?

Why indeed?

What matters is that is exactly what the court is, in fact, doing.

Because then the tiny one-man-and-his-secretary Greene County prosecutor's office doesn't have to spend its resources on a trial in circuit court, and instead keeps it in kiddie court, resolved in a hearing. This also keeps it quiet so that they don't have media and weens descending on the circuit court for the famous Greene County Tard Trial.

Also this. Chris is not worth the bother of prosecuting.

Then there's the money and trouble factor. Say Greene County does go after Chris hammer and tongs and nails him with a felony? What then? That would mean Greene County would have to imprison Chris somewhere for up to ten years at Greene County's own expense, and after that be responsible to find some placement for him somewhere after. Feeding and caring for Chris ain't free, and it's only going to get more expensive with time.

If, on the other hand, they get him to accept a misdemeanor plea deal, then all the court needs do is place him in a tard home somewhere (or a 30 day respite home), and wash their hands of him. Greene County doesn't need to pay for this itself; it gets paid out of Chris' own tugboat (and various other programs, none of which comes out of Greene County's pocket). And if they can find a placement far away such that Chris becomes some other county's problem, so much the better.

tl;dr: Greene County doesn't want to punish Chris. They don't want to deal with him at all. And they sure as fuck don't want to spend any more money than they have to on him.

Is he really that badly behaved in jail? It seems like he's being fairly compliant.

We really only have Chris' own word for that. He has mentioned that there are some "bad" guards. What is more likely? That there really are bad guards who have it in for Chris, or that some of the jail staff are simply tired of Chris' shenanigans and refuse to ass-pat him? Also would Chris really be retreating so far into his jeebus fantasies if he was handling jail so well?

 

[Dogechu_Prime]

Chris is in a court that only hears misdemeanors. He's in Juvie/Family court. Even if it went to trial, it would be a bench trial without a jury (unless he appealed and demanded a jury trial later, whereupon it would get kicked up to circuit court)



In Virginia, Class 6 and Class 5 felonies can also be prosecuted as Class 1 Misdemeanors. Most states have some sort of wobbler status for minor felonies. This flexibility is a huge incentive in plea deals. The exact verbiage is:

God almighty if Chris gets 6 more months of jail then slapped with a $2500 fine I guarantee the APOCALYPSE FOR EVERYONE will activate in that courtroom.

Judge Mayamoto pls be based

 

[Smleman303]

Chris barely comprehends why he's banned from stores and after years, still tries to weasel his way back in. If "don't come here or you will get arrested" didn't dissuade him from going to a store, telling him he can't go to his house isn't going to do anything. Unless a cop is stationed there 24/7, Chris will go back to Branchland. Even if he gets caught the excuses will fly. "I was worried about my mother and drove by", "I'm not living here I'm just collecting some toy", "You can't keep a daughter from her own mothe

Because then the tiny one-man-and-his-secretary Greene County prosecutor's office doesn't have to spend its resources on a trial in circuit court, and instead keeps it in kiddie court, resolved in a hearing. This also keeps it quiet so that they don't have media and weens descending on the circuit court for the famous Greene County Tard Trial.

Because this is how 95% of all convictions are obtained anyway, trials cost money. The prosecutor's job is to get a conviction while avoiding a trial.

At least you have some siund legal knowledge. On the subreddit this one sperg still thinks Chris could get his charges dropped and go back home..... Don't laugh but we knew the average Redditor is room temperature.

 

[A-№1]

Chris could get his charges dropped and go back home

If the court really had it in for Chris, I mean if they REALLY wanted to fuck him over as hard as possible, they would do exactly that.

He would, of course, be turned away from the door at 14BLC, so there he would be: no home, no toys, no car, no nothing, and the sheriff on the way to trespass him from "his" own home. Meanwhile the court is under no obligation to find housing for an "innocent" man. Chris would be utterly fucked.