Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

[King Kiwi]

More than one more time. Lots of peripatetic cows find ways to be online.

I'm just very curious how jail has affected him physically.

But back to the subject of the thread...

Uh, Chris is terrible and bad and needs to be tried on the third.

 

[Realistic Elephant]

Maybe that's the goal of the defense. Have Chris lame it out in holding so he gets slapped with probation and time served. Not the most solid plan but its probably the best one the lawyer could think of.

That's my guess too since it works in either case. If Chris is just charged with incest, he'll likely end up with a misdemeanor and time served. If there are more serious charges, this earns him time in a much safer environment than prison and if he's well behaved would probably help with where he serves the rest of his sentence.

Especially if his lawyer can snap him out of the God LARP and get him involved in mental health treatment.

 

[ThisHill2DieOn]

That's my guess too since it works in either case. If Chris is just charged with incest, he'll likely end up with a misdemeanor and time served. If there are more serious charges, this earns him time in a much safer environment than prison and if he's well behaved would probably help with where he serves the rest of his sentence.

Especially if his lawyer can snap him out of the God LARP and get him involved in mental health treatment.

Incest with a mother/father is a class 5 felony, punishable with up to 10 years. IIRC, there are aggravating factors, too, so that's more time. The chances of him getting time served and walking, if convicted, is effectively zero.

More serious charges won't help him and especially won't get him to "a much safer environment than prison." Mental wards, presuming that's what you meant, are hardly a safe environment and if he is found insane and sentenced to a ward, it's not like you serve your sentence and then leave. You are involuntarily committed to the state until the state deems you are no longer a danger and may be released. Even then, you could be placed on a type of probations indefinitely. Chris Chan could serve a max 10 years in prison for incest and get out, but if he's committed then he could be in an institution for the rest of his life.

Barb's failure to yield ticket is interesting because it infers she's lucid enough to drive. At the very least, the officer that issued the ticket could testify as to her state of mind. If she is lucid, then it shreds the whole "Chris Chan molested his senile mother" narrative and shifts it to the creepier "Barb wanted it" territory.

 

[Realistic Elephant]

Incest with a mother/father is a class 5 felony, punishable with up to 10 years. IIRC, there are aggravating factors, too, so that's more time. The chances of him getting time served and walking, if convicted, is effectively zero.

More serious charges won't help him and especially won't get him to "a much safer environment than prison." Mental wards, presuming that's what you meant, are hardly a safe environment and if he is found insane and sentenced to a ward, it's not like you serve your sentence and then leave. You are involuntarily committed to the state until the state deems you are no longer a danger and may be released. Even then, you could be placed on a type of probations indefinitely. Chris Chan could serve a max 10 years in prison for incest and get out, but if he's committed then he could be in an institution for the rest of his life.

Barb's failure to yield ticket is interesting because it infers she's lucid enough to drive. At the very least, the officer that issued the ticket could testify as to her state of mind. If she is lucid, then it shreds the whole "Chris Chan molested his senile mother" narrative and shifts it to the creepier "Barb wanted it" territory.

Class 5 felonies are borderline and often are pled down to misdemeanors...unless there's a really good reason for a felony conviction, the court usually prefers a misdemeanor charge for a first offense given the consequences of a felony conviction, prison overcrowding, and alternative treatment. It gets kind of interesting because of Chris' initial charge with a Class 6 felony for the Gamestop incident, but since that wasn't a sexual offense I don't know if that would even factor in.

I think even if he's convicted of the incest felony straight up, he's not going to get anywhere near a 10 year sentence but rather time served. It makes no sense from a legal or moral perspective to keep him in prison for that long since as disturbing as it is, that means the incest was consensual. Now if there are more serious charges all bets are off.

 

[ThisHill2DieOn]

They're holding him without bail and have yet offer a plea deal. Which makes me think they're looking to nail his ass to the wall. Greene Co is nothing like Arlington, Richmond, Charlottesville, Petersburg... Greene is a very Republican, Christian conservative population, despite it's proximity and spillover from hippy dippy as fuck Charlottesville.

Even if the prior conviction isn't related and can't be used during trial, it is factored in for sentencing as well as bringing charges. The chance the county is going to let something like this slide is doubtful. I could be totally and completely wrong, but all the indicators (no plea offer yet, no bail, no lesser charges filed) lean towards the state not treating Chandler with kid's gloves.

 

[AnOminous]

Even if the prior conviction isn't related and can't be used during trial, it is factored in for sentencing as well as bringing charges. The chance the county is going to let something like this slide is doubtful. I could be totally and completely wrong, but all the indicators (no plea offer yet, no bail, no lesser charges filed) lean towards the state not treating Chandler with kid's gloves.

If I had to make a wild guess, I'd actually bet on this pleading out to the incest crime, Chris gets time served, or maybe a little more, and doesn't have to register as a sex offender.

 

[Wormy]

How about first they get a free apartment. They don't get to pick where it is, but they get one for free. Like maybe in the desert or something where land is cheap. Now you are no longer "homeless", you are just a vagrant. You have a choice of going home to the free home you received, yet you still are insane on the street. At that point there should be grounds for institutionalizing everyone on the street.

Okay, how about utilities? Are those provided? What employment ops are there out in the desert? Will there be any job placement or training offered? What about people who already had a job when they became homeless due to natural disasters or fire, et? What about teenagers kicked out of their homes? People who are homeless on account of Eminent Domain?

Anyway, back on topic; My bet is plea deal, time served, but on condition that he go to a group home or similar supervised living environment ala Jonathan Ross.

 

[PhoBingas]

That's absolutely the goal. This gives Chris the assistance of an attorney through this time, whereas he loses his attorney on conviction. It keeps his tugboat from getting suspended (or at least still claimable for back payments if they suspended it by mistake). It gives him a few more rights since he's still technically innocent on paper.

Meanwhile it keeps Chris contained, just as well as if he had been convicted up front, so it's not really any skin off of the prosecutor's back. The prosecutor has other stuff to do with his time so as long as Chris is cooling in jail it's not a problem.

Shit, didn't even think of him losing out on his SSDI payments. That's probably why they've remanded him.

That's my guess too since it works in either case. If Chris is just charged with incest, he'll likely end up with a misdemeanor and time served. If there are more serious charges, this earns him time in a much safer environment than prison and if he's well behaved would probably help with where he serves the rest of his sentence.

Especially if his lawyer can snap him out of the God LARP and get him involved in mental health treatment.

If Chris went to prison, more than likely he'd be put in some wing with a bunch of other weirdo sex offenders. I'm not sure if the "institutions" are safer for Chris. Might be safer for the next person Chris tries to soul bond with if he's kept in some ward for the rest of his life.

They're holding him without bail and have yet offer a plea deal. Which makes me think they're looking to nail his ass to the wall. Greene Co is nothing like Arlington, Richmond, Charlottesville, Petersburg... Greene is a very Republican, Christian conservative population, despite it's proximity and spillover from hippy dippy as fuck Charlottesville.

Even if the prior conviction isn't related and can't be used during trial, it is factored in for sentencing as well as bringing charges. The chance the county is going to let something like this slide is doubtful. I could be totally and completely wrong, but all the indicators (no plea offer yet, no bail, no lesser charges filed) lean towards the state not treating Chandler with kid's gloves.

I'm not so sure that's their plan. Sure they could throw the book at him, but the fact that more charges haven't been brought up by now makes me think that Barb was more of a willing participant - especially if she's getting into wrecks and potentially going to traffic court.

 

[Realistic Elephant]

If Chris went to prison, more than likely he'd be put in some wing with a bunch of other weirdo sex offenders. I'm not sure if the "institutions" are safer for Chris. Might be safer for the next person Chris tries to soul bond with if he's kept in some ward for the rest of his life.

I was thinking more the low-level type of care offered in most jails, basic therapy and the like. Shoot, even attending jail 12-Step meetings would only help his position even if they serve no purpose.

 

[A-№1]

Consolvo and Heilberg are probably banging shots of whiskey together going wtf do we do.

They have paralegals for that.

Joking aside, yeah, Chris is not a case to be won or lost, but a problem for the courts to solve.

I think they're still looking for a placement for Chris that his tugboat etc. can afford that's nicely far away from Greene County. Once a plea agreement is officially reached or a judgement rendered, the courts have 30 days to figure out what to do with him. Continuances give them up to a year to find somewhere.

Insanity is incredibly difficult to plead.

It depends on whether or not the judge and jury are already sympathetic to you. For example sometimes it only needs enough twinkies.

But insanity is not an issue here. The term you're looking for is "diminished capacity".

Chris is not insane, but he's definitely diminished.

Continuances need a good reason and a judge willing to grant them.

Were I presiding on this case, I'd be more than willing to quickly agree to yet another continuance than have Chris in my courtroom any longer than necessary. When the judge grants a continuance for Chris, he's basically telling the prosecution and defense to work this problem out between them on their own time instead of the court's time.

Greene County isn't exactly the most bumping of places and they're probably not happy with this big, crazy case taking up a lot of time when they got divorces, child abuse cases and juvenile delinquent cases to hear.

How much time do you really think they're spending on Chris?

Summer would be a bit of a stretch, but Spring is likely trial start date.

There's not going to be a trial. Once they find somewhere to dump Chris, you can expect a plea deal within the week.

Chris Chan is going to become homeless now faster BECAUSE he went to jail.

Actually, the opposite is true.

If Chris had stayed at 14BLC until Barb dies, he'd have failed to maintain the place and eventually been evicted onto the streets.

By going to jail, he has now become Green County's responsibility to find a tard home to place him in.

But worry not, he'll eventually fuck up that placement.

How about first they get a free apartment.

Why not just reintroduce the workhouses while you're at it?

The problem is most homeless people are homeless for a reason. Giving them a home without first fixing that reason is just wasting a perfectly good home. Homelessness is not something that can be solved by throwing money and resources at it. That's like trying to fix Chris by giving him more legos. There are no easy, one size fits all solutions. Homelessness takes time and effort and understanding and hard choices to solve, and every single case is different.

Have Chris lame it out in holding so he gets slapped with probation and time served.

Then the court has 30 days to find somewhere to put him. Likely they want to solve that particular problem first before putting themselves under a time limit.

I'm just very curious how jail has affected him physically.

Well at the very least, he's probably eating healthier. jail food isn't exactly the best, but it's better than what Chris chooses for himself.

Incest with a mother/father is a class 5 felony, punishable with up to 10 years.

It's a wobbler: It can be a felony or a misdemeanor. Since Chris is still in the Domestic Relations court, they're going with the misdemeanor route.

I think even if he's convicted of the incest felony straight up,

The Domestic Relations court can't do that.

I'd actually bet on this pleading out to the incest crime, Chris gets time served, or maybe a little more, and doesn't have to register as a sex offender.

That's absolutely what's going to happen here. I don't understand why anyone would think otherwise. This way Chris keeps his tugboat, the court has to find a placement for him, and thus Greene County isn't responsible to pay for his upkeep while incarcerating him. It's the minimum effort, minimum cost solution. The defense wins: Chris is saved from becoming a felon. The prosecution wins: Chris is preventing from re-offending. The court wins: Chris goes somewhere else to become someone else's problem. Chris himself wins: he doesn't end up homeless (yet) or imprisoned (though Chris will never see it as a win). And everyone gets to look merciful to the poor autistic tranny before washing their hands of him.

I think the main reason for delaying the plea deal is Chris being difficult and also they haven't yet found a place to dump him.

 

[PhoBingas]

I was thinking more the low-level type of care offered in most jails, basic therapy and the like. Shoot, even attending jail 12-Step meetings would only help his position even if they serve no purpose.

Chris really never had a God damned chance. It would be more sad if he didn't make 99.975% of his own problems. Bob and Barb cottling him did nothing to help him. I seriously doubt Chris will ever "get better" because Chris doesn't wan't to get better, he wants to play pretend and get money for existing from ''fans''.

 

[A-№1]

Chris really never had a God damned chance. It would be more sad if he didn't make 99.975% of his own problems.

Those two statements are mutually contradictory.

If Chris is creating his own problems, then all he has to do is stop. That's a chance. That's a lot of chances. They're all chances he's squandering, but they're still a chance.

Everything else is just making excuses for Chris.

 

[Pappy Striderite]

You can’t force someone to live in a group home.

you can stipulate all kindsa shit in probation. that's one of them.

[25 lines. no Return key]

no.

 

[A-№1]

you can stipulate all kindsa shit in probation. that's one of them.

You can stipulate whatever you want, but @Ophelia is correct. Chris can't be forced to stay in a group home. He can always choose to be incarcerated again or go live on the streets.

 

[WonderWino]

You can stipulate whatever you want, but @Ophelia is correct. Chris can't be forced to stay in a group home. He can always choose to be incarcerated again or go live on the streets.

If your probation says you're required to stay in a group home there is no 'or you can go live on the streets' option. If you try to skip out on the group home you're in violation of probation and you'll be arrested

 

[A-№1]

If you try to skip out on the group home you're in violation of probation and you'll be arrested

Only if they give enough fucks to go looking for you, and if they give that many fucks, likely they wouldn't have given you probation to a group home in the first place.

Usually what happens is the group home maintains itself as the residency of note and continues collecting that sweet, sweet tugboat, at least until the resident in question fucks up on the streets and attracts the attention of law enforcement once again. Even then the group home usually "keeps the bed available" while continuing to collect the tugboat if at all possible, pending your eventual "return".

 

[Glowie]

Would be harmful for Chris' defence to let him speak on the stand?
That's a rhetorical question. I wonder if ramifications letting a batshit crazy autist to allow to speak. Or is his defense mum Chris to prevent worst case scenario?

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

Would be harmful for Chris' defence to let him speak on the stand?
That's a rhetorical question. I wonder if ramifications letting a batshit crazy autist to allow to speak. Or is his defense mum Chris to prevent worst case scenario?

Yes massively so - Chris is and always has been his own worst enemy, his Legal representation may take some efforts to make sure he keeps his mouth shut in court especially after last time stomping his feet about his toys etc. But the moment he's given an opportunity to speak and he feels he has an audience he will take full advantage of it.

 

[Glowie]

Yes massively so - Chris is and always has been his own worst enemy, his Legal representation may take some efforts to make sure he keeps his mouth shut in court especially after last time stomping his feet about his toys etc. But the moment he's given an opportunity to speak and he feels he has an audience he will take full advantage of it.

Since incest is a felony trial and Chris got into national television. Giving Chris stand in front of judge and panel of jurors who would see Chris as a Degenerate dementia patient rapist and shameless motherfucker and possibly sperg about how he used Barb's pension on plastic crap.

If defense knows anything about Chris they should keep him seated and possibly medicated

Since this a criminal trial, not a petty misdemeanor trial. Chris' sentencing is set in stone, what is the likelyhood of jurors read about Chris on internet, his deviant behaviour, stalking, harrasment, macing employees and disturbingly detailed admissions of guilt.

That being said would be possible to keep truly unbiased jurors considering all of the above.

Internet savvy jury would unanimously see Chris guilty when they realise that Chris would fuck his senile mother when given the chance.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Would be harmful for Chris' defence to let him speak on the stand?
That's a rhetorical question. I wonder if ramifications letting a batshit crazy autist to allow to speak. Or is his defense mum Chris to prevent worst case scenario?

Absolutely.

We got the news reports of Chris at his initial hearing after his arrest and he was a textbook example of what NOT to do. All he gave a shit about was being allowed to go home and get his toys (As if they would allow those in prison) as well as repeatedly correcting the judge over fucking pronouns.

On the defense stand, if the prosecution is savvy, they could easily get Chris to admit in no uncertain terms that he is both guilty of basically anything they want him to say he's guilty of, as well as expose the loopy non-logic of Chris's own statements because contradictory autist logic doesn't hold water in the real world.