Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

[A-№1]

I understand that it’s been mentioned here that the minimum possible sentence for what Chris’s has done is about a full year of incarceration,

It depends on what he's actually charged with (and eventually convicted of). Right now he's charged with Misdemeanor Incest, which was wobbled down from a class five felony.

The minimum sentence it to just let him go.

I believe the maximum sentence for Misdemeanor Incest (which is what he's currently charged with - go figure) is one year, but I could be wrong. There are also possible fines (like blood from a lego turnip).

If they wobble the charge back up to Felony Incest (for whatever reason), I believe the maximum sentence is ten years, but again I could be wrong.

 

[A-№1]

It's just when I'm working with limited information I tend to think of other possibilities out of paranoia. While it's no skin off my back if I'm wrong about something on the internet, I still have that habit.

I have to think part of the reason the court's actions have been so confusing is because the court itself doesn't know what the fuck to do with Chris. And now the court has given itself six more months to figure that out.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

There is one thing so far I have not seen considered.

A Sugar-Daddy.
I am sure Chris would prefer a Sugar-Mummy, but lets be honest, any Sugar-mom worth her sugar is not going to settle for a Chris.

A cheap nasty old man who cannot even be bothered to make the trip to Thailand to buy a Ladyboy Bride might just might, settle for Chris.

I am sure Chris could mentally justify such a horrible situation, once he realizes how fucked he is.

I could see him going for a Sugar-Tranny, like a reverse Stefonknee Wolscht situation. The kind of greasy old man who once had a decent career, then had a mid life crisis and ditched his wife and kids to troon out, and therefore has few expenses other than child support and lacy fetish gear. They'd have to really convince themselves that they (and, crucially, each other) are both women, but if they did, they'd have astral plane true and honest lesbian soul bonding for life. It'd be great if there were a cow crossover, like if he hooked up with Kevin Gibes or Tommy Tooter, but they can barely support their own addictions to plastic crap and shiny rocks, let alone Chris's.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

I could see him going for a Sugar-Tranny, like a reverse Stefonknee Wolscht situation. The kind of greasy old man who once had a decent career, then had a mid life crisis and ditched his wife and kids to troon out, and therefore has few expenses other than child support and lacy fetish gear. They'd have to really convince themselves that they (and, crucially, each other) are both women, but if they did, they'd have astral plane true and honest lesbian soul bonding for life. It'd be great if there were a cow crossover, like if he hooked up with Kevin Gibes or Tommy Tooter, but they can barely support their own addictions to plastic crap and shiny rocks, let alone Chris's.

If there's no china in it, Chris ain't gonna hit it.

 

[AnOminous]

It's important to understand that even though the chances of a trial are very low, what *could* happen in a trial is directly relevant in the plea negotiations.

This is why we're talking about it even though I think every commenter here is agreed that a trial is, while possible, very unlikely. The only reason I give credence to the idea at all is they've picked an experienced trial lawyer rather than the usual public defender who pleads everything out.

That said, the very fact that he is an accomplished criminal defense lawyer who can take something to trial and win it puts him in a very good negotiating position, too. Even with a trash case, which is what he has, just the mere threat of actually taking it to trial has negotiating leverage.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he drags it out the full year because then they have to shit or get off the pot. If they don't, they have to let him go, and without felony charges, he's already served the max J&DR could give him anyway. I wouldn't even be terribly shocked if the prosecution goes for this too, effectively a "pocket dismissal" where Chris walks after a year and nothing happens.

That would be as close as Chris gets to completely getting away with it.

There is no minimum sentence. Class 5 felonies can wobble down to a Class 1 misdemeanor, which means there's a maximum one year sentence or a fine of up to $2500, but no minimum. If the sentence is longer than one year, then it is a felony, with a maximum ten year sentence.

It would have to wobble to stay in J&DR which does not have jurisdiction to impose sentences longer than a year.

I don't see how or why the court would put up with that, but it's technically possible.

Maybe he's some kind of procedural wizard in addition to being a trial lawyer. Or as you also pointed out, maybe the prosecution is okay with it and this is part of some deal they already cooked up as to how they're going to approach the ultimate plea.

I have really gotten the impression during this that the prosecution, while not wanting to let this case go, is not really eager for a huge public trial because this case is literally an embarrassment to the county.

 

[FinnSven]

If there's no china in it, Chris ain't gonna hit it.

Maybe not, but what if his only choice is to bite the pillow and think of cwcville?

He could insist on extra pocket money if the sugar tranny wants Chris to call him Bob.

Or Barb.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

This is why we're talking about it even though I think every commenter here is agreed that a trial is, while possible, very unlikely. The only reason I give credence to the idea at all is they've picked an experienced trial lawyer rather than the usual public defender who pleads everything out.

That said, the very fact that he is an accomplished criminal defense lawyer who can take something to trial and win it puts him in a very good negotiating position, too. Even with a trash case, which is what he has, just the mere threat of actually taking it to trial has negotiating leverage.

Well yeah, that's exactly it. Heilberg's job is to get Chris the best outcome possible, which will almost certainly be through a plea agreement. His trial experience just enables him to get a better agreement since the prosecution knows he can follow through.

Chris simply isn't worth a trial.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he drags it out the full year because then they have to shit or get off the pot. If they don't, they have to let him go, and without felony charges, he's already served the max J&DR could give him anyway. I wouldn't even be terribly shocked if the prosecution goes for this too, effectively a "pocket dismissal" where Chris walks after a year and nothing happens.

That would be as close as Chris gets to completely getting away with it.

I could see that happening in a big city, where Chris would just be another tard, albeit a particularly showy one.

In Greene County though I'm pretty sure they want to make sure he stops being a problem. He's the town idiot. It's a wonder he's not banned from *every* business, but the only Ruckersville locations we know he's banned from are Walmart and Anytime Fitness. I think he can go back in the Ruckersville McDonalds now, and we know he's still allowed in Sheetz and Food Lion.

The point being, he causes enough problems that I think they want a way to control him, remove him, *something* to finally solve the problems he causes. If they release him without charges, they can't have any control over how he's released, and he'll just go back to reoffending.

So I'm fairly certain he's going to be convicted of something, with some kind of agreement. It can be a very generous agreement, but it has to create some sort of change in the status quo. That would give Heilberg a good out. Chris gets a very generous plea deal but with the requirement for a solution that gets Chris the hell away from Greene County. Keeping felony charges in the back pocket would make taking a misdemeanor plea deal for time served a no brainer, rather than going for all or nothing.

I guess a lot of it depends on if 14BC is sold or not.

 

[JULAY]

Chris is going to get hit with a year which will be time served at that point as a result of a guilty plea to misdemeanor incest. If they were going to indict him on a felony charge, it would have already happened. Heilberg is undoubtedly pointing to the ample evidence of Chris's tenuous-at-best connection to reality to justify that prosecuting him on misdemeanor charges accompanied by an accordingly less harsh custodial sentence is an appropriate measure.

Also, given that § 53.1-68(C) does require a post release discharge plan for mentally ill inmates, it's entirely likely that this process is ongoing, and in Chris's case, will include some sort of housing arrangement that doesn't involve him going back to 14BC to potentially re-victimize the Barblax. If, of course, the house isn't already sold and occupied by a new owner by the time he is released.

I think he'll most likely be on supervised probation as well, perhaps even intensive supervised probation wherein he'll have to meet with a PO several times a week. I'm not sure if a J&DR court can order intensive supervised probation, but if they have the authority to do so, it would surprise me if they chose not to. Chris is clearly someone who can't be left to his own devices in the community, so appointing him what is essentially multiple levels of supervision in the form of a PO and the staff of a residential facility or shrink or some other overseer would make a lot of sense. Court appointed tard wranglers, if you will.

What I would really like to see, and Chris would absolutely hate, is if there was some kind of work requirement or community service obligation imposed. For someone as lazy as Chris, that would be worse than spending a year in solitary.

 

[Sharkbait]

What I would really like to see, and Chris would absolutely hate, is if there was some kind of work requirement or community service obligation imposed. For someone as lazy as Chris, that would be worse than spending a year in solitary.

Is it possible to get kicked out of these for laziness and/or incompetence? If so, what legal repercussions would this bring?

 

[JULAY]

Is it possible to get kicked out of these for laziness and/or incompetence? If so, what legal repercussions would this bring?

Yes, it is possible, especially if you just willfully don't attend community service appointments or get fired for cause from your job that you're required to hold down. Legal repercussions would be up to the PO and the court system. If they're feeling lenient, you might get another shot, but if not, you'd most likely end up back in jail for violating the terms of your probation.

 

[AnOminous]

Chris gets a very generous plea deal but with the requirement for a solution that gets Chris the hell away from Greene County.

The "get Chris the hell away from Greene County" thing really seems to invite something where he gets sent to some kind of halfway house in the Charlottesville region where he'd probably have a troon-friendly p.o. if he had one. I wouldn't be surprised if they're contemplating shipping Chris out of Greene County to somewhere in the Charlottesville metro area.

Obviously this is a total ass-pull but tell me it doesn't make sense.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The "get Chris the hell away from Greene County" thing really seems to invite something where he gets sent to some kind of halfway house in the Charlottesville region where he'd probably have a troon-friendly p.o. if he had one. I wouldn't be surprised if they're contemplating shipping Chris out of Greene County to somewhere in the Charlottesville metro area.

Obviously this is a total ass-pull but tell me it doesn't make sense.

I doubt he'll get a "troon-friendly" caretaker arrangement but I can definitely see them having to ship him out of county depending on where they can actually stick him. As stated multiple times, there needs to be as much of a physical barrier between Chris and Barb/14BC to prevent him from simply trying to do the infamous JULAY trip in reverse.

Dunno how that would work with the tugboat arrangement but that probably would just get sent to the caretaker accounts since actually stopping them altogether seems to be damn near impossible to the point even Chris can't fuck it up.

 

[Shabobus]

The "get Chris the hell away from Greene County" thing really seems to invite something where he gets sent to some kind of halfway house in the Charlottesville region where he'd probably have a troon-friendly p.o. if he had one. I wouldn't be surprised if they're contemplating shipping Chris out of Greene County to somewhere in the Charlottesville metro area.

Obviously this is a total ass-pull but tell me it doesn't make sense.

It will be funny if this is the way Chris finally gets his wish of escaping one-horse Ruckersville. A real monkey's paw.

 

[Optimus Prime]

It will be funny if this is the way Chris finally gets his wish of escaping one-horse Ruckersville. A real monkey's paw.

Chris never really felt restricted by Ruckersville, especially given his utopian CWCville was based on the greater Charlottesville area and in real life he ultimately had some freedom of mobility to go off to Bronycon and until everything fell apart for him, the Pacific Northwest or wherever the hell Everfree Northwest was being held. And given his establishment of 14BC as his 'Sonichu Temple' he clearly didn't harbor any intentions of leaving that house willingly.

The issues Chris has are with society and real life itself based on how it didn't simply spoil him like the greatest human being who deserved every award ever simply for existing. At most he's been allowed to get off relatively lightly due to his crippling idiocy but given he's going to spend nearly a year behind bars before even being fully sentenced...he's about to get that big dose of reality he's been desperately trying to avoid for all his life.

 

[King Kiwi]

There is no minimum sentence. Class 5 felonies can wobble down to a Class 1 misdemeanor, which means there's a maximum one year sentence or a fine of up to $2500, but no minimum. If the sentence is longer than one year, then it is a felony, with a maximum ten year sentence.

Chris could theoretically be sentenced to a $1 fine and 0 days in jail. (Though obviously they won't actually do this, and he already has tons of time served to burn so any sentence less than time-served would be pointless.)

At least you're not sperging.

Harharhar.

But yeah, it's the only thing that makes sense about why we've had a continuance for the next 5 months.

 

[A-№1]

That would be as close as Chris gets to completely getting away with it.

Except at the end of it all, Chris will have lost his happy home at 14BLC and almost definitely all his toys along with it. While he may not exactly see that as punishment (because he will never believe he did anything wrong), he will consider it the ultimate form of kicking the autistic.

I have really gotten the impression during this that the prosecution, while not wanting to let this case go, is not really eager for a huge public trial because this case is literally an embarrassment to the county.

Even as small as Greene County is, he probably has better things to do than deal with Chris. And if he somehow doesn't? He'll find something.

What could a trial accomplish that can't be done easier (and quieter) with a plea deal?

I guess a lot of it depends on if 14BC is sold or not.

I'm not so sure about that. I don't believe Chris' name is on the title, and I seriously doubt he has any lease agreement with Barb. If Barb is still living there, the courts would be fools to allow him to return to re-offend. If Barb isn't there, then likely Tom and Harriet are managing the property. I don't see them letting Chris live there either.

I wouldn't be surprised if they're contemplating shipping Chris out of Greene County to somewhere in the Charlottesville metro area.

I suspect they'll take whatever placement they can get, and if whatever tard home that finally accepts Chris happens to be all the way down in Virginia Beach (or Accomac)? All the better.

I doubt they really care where Chris ends up so long as it's Not Here. Besides, there aren't a lot of tard homes in Greene County in the first place, and I highly doubt they're going to put the time and effort into making sure Chris gets placed in one of them.

 

[Hepativore]

So, if Chris goes to a home, I am not entirely sure how they work from a legal standpoint.

How much autonomy and what legal rights do they actually give these people in these sorts of places as they have diminished capacity to make decisions? Could they legally stop Chris if he tried to leave, or is it like the Jerrys at that one episode of Rick and Morty at the Jerry daycare; ie. they can technically leave any time they want to, just that they would have no place to go?

 

[Optimus Prime]

So, if Chris goes to a home, I am not entirely sure how they work from a legal standpoint.

How much autonomy and what legal rights do they actually give these people in these sorts of places as they have diminished capacity to make decisions? Could they legally stop Chris if he tried to leave, or is it like the Jerrys at that one episode of Rick and Morty at the Jerry daycare; ie. they can technically leave any time they want to, just that they would have no place to go?

That will depend on what the defense-requested psych evals state. I think by default Chris would be allowed to leave after a set period of time to which he absolutely would desire to return to 14BC despite whatever legal barriers stand in his way (and the complete lack of a working vehicle). If he's judged to be a danger because of what I can really only describe as a complete lack of ethics when it comes to perusing his interests, however, then he could be legally forced to stay put.

 

[AnOminous]

So, if Chris goes to a home, I am not entirely sure how they work from a legal standpoint.

How much autonomy and what legal rights do they actually give these people in these sorts of places as they have diminished capacity to make decisions? Could they legally stop Chris if he tried to leave, or is it like the Jerrys at that one episode of Rick and Morty at the Jerry daycare; ie. they can technically leave any time they want to, just that they would have no place to go?

In legal theory, people in these places (who have not been committed there) have exactly the same rights as anyone else to check out, with or against medical advice. In practice, these are often people on a fixed income who the institution has its claws into, who essentially take most of their every month, leaving them with a few bucks allowance. So in practice, these people never have a lump sum of money enough to leave and are effectively trapped there.

If you ever have an opportunity to save a relative from going to one of these vile shitholes, take it.

 

[A-№1]

That will depend on what the defense-requested psych evals state.

I'm fairly certain the prosecution has had their own psych evals.

I'm not certain all these psych evals are actually psych evals. You don't need months of continuances to do a psych evaluation.

I suspect they're actually placement interviews trying to find somewhere to stuff Chris.

So in practice, these people never have a lump sum of money enough to leave and are effectively trapped there.

Except a lot of the people who go to tard homes are the sort who don't (or can't) see it that way I mean if they could understand the fiscal ramifications of their situation, they likely would not have ended up in a tard home. So they wander off to sleep on the streets (and off their meds), while the tard home continues to collect their tugboats.

If you ever have an opportunity to save a relative from going to one of these vile shitholes, take it.

Most of the people who end up in them have already burned through all their relatives. If you were Tom or Harriet or Cole or whoever, would you try to "save" Chris?