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Good Feminist ally MovieBob supports men in women sports.
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Christ on the cross Bob is one dumb motherfucker.

People still can't fly, we can travel in vehicles or equipment capable of an approximation of flight. Electricity is still electricity when it's being conducted and fed through wires or whatever. People still die of disease and old age; we haven't cured death and you shouldn't want to.

Finally, most important of all, a man is still a man even if he cuts off his dick and pops a wig on. Nothing short of full-scale cosmetic genetics will change that, which may well be Bob's endgame given the absolute state of the fat, diabetic fuck.
 
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AI software defines people as male or female. That's a problem

By Rachel Metz, CNN Business

Updated 11:32 AM EST, Thu November 21, 2019




San Francisco(CNN)Artificial intelligence doesn't know what to make of Os Keyes.

The 29-year-old graduate student is dark-haired, tattooed and openly transgender, using the pronouns "they" or "them." Facial analysis software, however, typically assigns each face it analyzes one of two labels: male or female.

The software literally can't categorize Keyes correctly.

Yet for Keyes, who studies gender, technology and power at the University of Washington, this technology is not simply software that doesn't get it right. According to them, it's also representative of how companies are not thinking through how power is distributed and norms are reinforced by such software. And Keyes — like a number of other experts in AI and in gender issues who spoke with CNN Business — is concerned about how these AI classifications could police, restrict, or otherwise harm transgender people, as well as those who don't look stereotypically male or female.

"The people producing this software are producing something that, in a small way, makes people like me miserable and keeps us miserable," Keyes told CNN Business.

View this interactive content on CNN.com

Top tech companies including Microsoft, Amazon and, until recently, IBM, have all invested in technology that can tag pictures of faces fed to their AI systems with binary labels such as "male" and "female," along with predicting other characteristics, such as whether they are wearing glasses or makeup. A company might, as Amazon suggests in a company blog post, use this gender-prediction feature to analyze footage of shoppers at their stores to learn about how many are men and how many are women. The technology is often offered alongside facial recognition software, though they may be separate systems.

But there is a fatal flaw: The way a computer sees gender isn't always the same way people see it. A growing number of terms for describing one's gender are becoming common in everyday life. Over a dozen states and Washington, DC, currently or will soon offer a third gender option, "X," on drivers' licenses. Companies such as United Airlines now let customers pick the pronoun "X" or the gender-neutral honorific "Mx" when booking a ticket. On Instagram, 9 million posts are tagged as "transgender" and over 7 million as "trans." Well over 3 million posts are tagged with the hashtag "nonbinary." Gender diversity is on smartphones, too, as both Apple and Google offer nonbinary emoji.

As these societal changes proliferate, AI-driven conclusions have become more than a gender identity concern. Some AI experts and members of the transgender community are worried about the potential for serious repercussions if gender recognition, as it exists today, is put to use for more complicated and sensitive tasks, whether it be using AI to help screen job candidates or nab criminal suspects.

Keyes is personally afraid it could enable a surveillance system to issue alerts when someone of the "wrong gender" walks into a bathroom or changing room. Indeed, one AI startup told CNN Business that it offers a gender prediction system that could help security guards flag men who are in an all-female dormitory, or vice versa.

"What you're talking about is deliberately putting trans people, who don't have the best relationship with law enforcement, on a collision course with law enforcement," Keyes said.

Already, AI that scans your face is being used for security applications at concerts, airports, sports arenas and more. These sensitive use cases only raise the stakes for how peoples' lives could be upended by a few lines of code.

"I think we need to push back on the idea that these systems should exist at all, and look at these kind of assumptions — that someone's body or face or style or hair can kind of detect their interior state or identity," said Meredith Whittaker, a former Google employee and cofounder of New York University's AI Now Institute, which studies social impacts of AI.

Os Keyes, a graduate student at the University of Washington, worries that artificial intelligence could put transgender people "on a collision course with law enforcement" based on how it categorizes gender.

Tech (mostly) doesn't want to talk about it

The tech companies are mostly staying quiet on these concerns. Amazon and Microsoft declined to comment for this story. IBM, which appeared to stop offering facial-analysis services in September, also declined to comment. Kairos and Megvii, both AI startups that offer such services, didn't respond to requests for comment. (Google, which offers image-identification features through its Cloud Vision service, doesn't appear to offer a gender-labeling feature as part of its facial analysis tools, but the company declined to confirm whether or not this is the case.)

View this interactive content on CNN.com

Only one company contacted by CNN Business, New York-based startup Clarifai, was willing to speak. Kyle Martinowich, VP of commercial sales and marketing, said Clarifai built its AI model for predicting gender in response to customer demand. He said those customers now range from bricks-and-mortar stores — who may use Clarifai's technology to figure out how many women walk down a particular aisle — to the US government — which may use it for gathering information about the types of people walking through airports or into federal buildings.

Clarifai's system for recognizing gender was trained on a data set of over 30 million images, each of which was annotated as masculine or feminine by three different people. Given how small the trans population is — an estimated 1.4 million adults in the US alone, or 0.6% of the adult population — there's no training data available to help the company incorporate trans individuals into its gender predictions, according to Martinowich. And he argued it's not worth the money it would cost to source such data. But if a customer offered to pay the company to make such a product, and brought its own data, he said Clarifai would comply.

Martinowich stressed there are limits to what Clarifai would allow customers to do with its services. For instance, he said that "if the Congolese government called us and said, 'We want to stop females from entering an all-male building,' we wouldn't sell them that. And if we found out, we would cut our service off to them."

Yet, he also said Clarifai is talking to companies that offer single-sex dormitories about how the startup's automated gender-identification could be used for safety and security purposes — not to deny someone entry to a building, but to flag a security guard "who would need to make the human determination" about whether a person should be rejected from a building.

How well does the technology work?

The automated facial analysis systems used by tech companies invariably compute gender as one of two groups — male or female. This may come with a numerical score indicating how confident the computer is that the face it sees looks like one gender or the other.

Yet a small but growing area of research indicates there are a number of issues with using AI to spot gender, such as increased error rates when it comes to identifying women of color and concerns about accuracy in general.

There's also the question of how well the technology works when it encounters pictures of people that identify themselves differently than the software might. As Morgan Klaus Scheuerman, a graduate student at the University of Colorado Boulder, found in a recent study, facial analysis systems from major tech companies were all markedly worse at determining gender when confronted with images of people who are trans.

Scheuerman and other researchers built a dataset of 2,450 photos of faces from Instagram that had been labeled by their authors with one of seven different gender-related hashtags such as "transman", "transwoman", "man", "woman" and "nonbinary." Then they ran the images through facial-analysis services from Microsoft, Amazon, IBM, and Clarifai.

The results? On average, the services classified photos tagged "woman" as "female" 98.3% of the time, and photos tagged "man" as "male" 97.6% of the time.

When it came to images tagged "transwoman" or "transman", however, they fared far worse. Photos with the "transwoman" tag were identified as "female" over 87.3% of the time, but photos tagged as "transman" were labeled as "male" just 70.5% of the time. Amazon did most poorly when it came to labeling "transman"-tagged photos as male, which it did just 61.7% of the time.

Scheuerman said this may indicate that images of trans men are not included in training these AI systems to determine what men look like.

"I think the real danger is this notion of objectivity," said Scheuerman, a long-haired, facial-piercing-bedecked student who studies gender and technology and has repeatedly been misidentified by these systems. "The idea that because this is trained, this system is super advanced, then it must be making these objective, data-driven decisions that have to be correct."

It may also be seen as another way in which the technology humans build falls short when it comes to analyzing a more diverse population than may be found on some tech engineering teams — which are often largely male and white. Human biases, such as sexist notions, can seep into machine-learning software in particular, regardless of creators' intentions.

Even tech companies can't control how gender ID is used

As with so many other use cases of artificial intelligence, it can be hard to understand the full impact of the technology's gender identifications — or misidentifications — on peoples' lives because the systems frequently operate in a black box. Often the deployment of AI that analyzes faces, whether it's done by a police department or a department store, is not publicly disclosed, and many countries (including the US) have few laws governing its use.

This concerns Gillian Branstetter, spokesperson for the National Center for Transgender Equality until November, who points out it can impact not just trans people, but anyone. "Any time you try to codify gender norms, either into laws or into algorithms, you're bound to have an impact on anyone who's not Ron Swanson or Barbie," she said.

To make matters more complicated, companies are already using commercially available AI to deduce gender for a number of reasons — and they're not always using it in the ways the creators intended.

For instance, Amazon writes in its online Rekognition developer guide that gender predictions from its facial analysis service are "not designed to categorize a person's gender identity" and shouldn't be used to do so. (According to the version of the developer guide that Amazon maintains on Github, this kind of language was added in late September; previously, it included no guidance about how the technology was intended to be used.)


Morgan Klaus Scheuerman, a graduate student at the University of Colorado Boulder, ran the same image of his face through facial analysis systems from two different companies. One determined his face was male, while the other identified it as female.

Yet Woo, an Indian dating app that matches heterosexual couples, uses Rekognition's gender-identifying feature mainly to help make sure the gender that users state in their profile matches up with the images of themselves they post within the app, said Woo cofounder and CEO Sumesh Menon.

If there's a perceived mismatch, a human worker will be notified, and they may contact the user to ask if their gender is incorrectly stated in the app, Menon said. Men, for instance, have accidentally labeled themselves as women in the past, then complained that they were only seeing other men as potential matches.

"It's not very nuanced; it's very straightforward," he said. "But it is super helpful in how we are able to present profiles to the right gender."

However, it shows that companies selling this AI technology can't control its deployment once it's in the hands of customers. (Woo is listed, along with a testimonial from Menon, on an Amazon Rekognition Customers page.)

"That's in a way proving the point that there's no way to really ensure your client is using this in an ethical way or a way you intended it to be used," said Scheuerman.

Nix it, or fix it?

Despite the ethical concerns, businesses believe there is a clear value in having this gender data — but only if the data itself is accurate. To that end, rather than abandon the feature, some companies are now wrestling with how to improve its predictive capabilities.

Limbik, a startup that calls itself a "data studio for short-form video," uses AI to analyze videos and predict what people will want to watch. The startup turns to AI from Amazon and IBM to identify gender in videos and analyze all manner of things, such as how frequently men pop up in a certain kind of commercial.

But Limbik CEO Zach Schwitzky said his company has "struggled with binary classification." Two common issues he encounters with the software include short-haired females being classified as males, and people who appear to be teenagers being misclassified as either gender. In his experience, existing automated gender identification works well for anyone who's between 25 and 35, but that it's not as helpful for people who are older or younger.

View this interactive content on CNN.com

Now, Limbik is building its own software to label gender in images, which to start includes three categories: male, female, and other. Eventually, the company may add more categories, too. Right now, the company is sorting images by hand from sites like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram; these will be used to train an AI model, Schwitzky said.

"I just struggle to think about how to do it in a way that it could be done accurately and effectively," Schwitzky said.

The research community, too, is wrestling with how to represent gender. Aaron Smith, director of Data Labs at Pew Research Center, said the issue of how to accurately represent gender and gender identity "is a topic of huge interest," particularly to those who study AI.

Yet whether AI can be built that could accurately identify gender on a broader spectrum, or perhaps consider any characteristics beyond outward appearances, is still largely unknown.

Smith isn't sure whether technology will eventually be able to suss out a person's internal identity. He notes that that identity can be "inherently opaque" to AI systems making assessments based on outward appearances.

For those like Keyes, who are worried about the consequences of using AI to recognize gender, there's a belief that no amount of tinkering will make these systems work or even worthwhile.

"You could add a million categories, and unless you're adding one category per person you're never going to get to a place where you can work out someone's gender from their face," Keyes said.

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Tragic
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Xie/xer is not common in every day life for anyone who isn't a terminally online NEET
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AI could flag obvious men entering womens spaces but won't someone please think of the trans?!
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AI was never designed to determine gender it was about identifying the sex of a person. Its you and your fellow stupid friends who sought to abolish "sex" from legal documents and to replace it with "gender" a vague term that can change at any time -perfectly suited for a pedo/rapist
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"AI is racist and transphobic so black women, you must stand with your trans sisters"
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AI: please just take note of the obvious male face and body and compare with the hideous clothing they wear that is either for little girl or hookers
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They really need validation for AI now too
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Its like the journalist knows they are wackos. Don't often read a description of these sorts that describes them as "neatly styled, professional hair, wearing an elegant outfit, immaculately polished leather shoes, and a classically handsome/beautiful face."
Journalist should just say "says X, a conventionally unattractive person who is rather bitter about it."
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Yes white males, you're the problem again
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And who was it that insisted we remove sex from legal definitions and protections? It wasn't me and don't seriously try and conflate a male being legally permitted to enter a woman's rape crisis shelter, with a snapchat filter identifying a trans woman as a man. These are not comparable consequences
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And why does this matter unless they plan to use AI to legally determine your sex?
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Based Indian app
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Inbefore "Other" category becomes "problematic" for not calling a trans woman, a woman
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"Internal identity" :story:
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What a fuckin tool. Reinforces sexist stereotypes by buying into Dr. John Pedo Money's Gender crap, and then gets mad when AI fails to grasp the garbage perfectly

The "problems" outlined in the article could be washed away if you literally taught the AI to recognize sex and not introduce it to the concept of GenderTM (property of Dr. John Pedo Money)

You cannot consistently or reasonably categorize people by gender, since ScienceTM says that males with beards can be women if they throw on a dress

I looked up Keyes twitter annd sure enough...
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Cringe bio, tick that off the bingo card
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Don't be sad there's always someone else who can rip your paper to shreds

And the crowning jewel from a very short skim
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Ah yes the chemical and surgical castration of minors aka children-as in those who cannot consent, is the same as an adult man knowingly and willingly consenting to sterilization in order to be recognized by the law, as their preferred gender.
It's almost like rapists and pedos have and will cross dress in order to access women and children, and wanting to verify (as best possible) that someone is transing out for legitimate distress vs. Wanting special access to cause harm or get financial benefits

Why would a true and honest trans person fear being sterilized if they experience such crippling bouts of dysphoria?

If this fuckwit doesn't recognize the diff then i am reluctant to believe his paper is robust enough to withstand the most basic criticism

Edit: does he care about the homosexuals being forcibly transed out by their homophobic governments?
 

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Ruining machine learning before it's even fully realized. Now this makes me MATI. We need those systems to be precise, adding convoluted made-up bullshit is only going to cause problems, require more power and bring even more false positives. If your bank or job or some shit requires some sort of biometric face ID down the line you don't want your payment to get canceled because it identified you as "non-binary" because of bad lighting.
 
So the public at large thinks all is well while the activists in the background are already planning lawsuits targeting therapists who don't toe the line and may tell 'trans' kids that puberty blockers are a bad idea.

See, this is why I don't feel sorry for detransitioners anymore. They made their stinking bed, now they can lay in their filth.
 
I know this thread is mostly made up of utter degeneracy, but sometimes there's something special in the lunacy of being a 'not like other girls' girl yet somehow being feminine in every way you could imagine.

(Previously posted about this individual here.)

Chrissalynne Ibarra (née Boatright). Non-binary 'he/they' mother, Webtoon Canvas creator (complete with self-insert) and YouTuber with some e-begging on the side now and then.

Prefers going by her Star Wars self-insert name CaezHel.

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She got my attention today with this hilariously deluded tweet:
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Why 'deluded'? Well...

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Well maybe she was a tomboy when she was a kid and now that she's embraced her enby identity she's comfortable being outwardly feminine?

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Huh.

Also bonus, she wanks on about being bi while married to a man (possibly separated since last year, happening around the time she changed her pronouns from they/them to he/they):

 
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Ruining machine learning before it's even fully realized. Now this makes me MATI. We need those systems to be precise, adding convoluted made-up bullshit is only going to cause problems, require more power and bring even more false positives. If your bank or job or some shit requires some sort of biometric face ID down the line you don't want your payment to get canceled because it identified you as "non-binary" because of bad lighting.

This is so, so on the money.

We literally aren't allowed to tell the truth now, "But that's a man" is now a criminal offence in many Western countries, our social interactions are being controlled on the basis of 'hurt feelings' rather than objective truth. But future technology isn't going to work with gender (or eventually I'm sure, race) fluidity. You want secure systems so we can let the machines do the drudgery then you need rules, frameworks and certainty. The 90% who know this is all bullshit but are afraid to say it will happily push for AI systems that won't be beholden to this absurdity.

Perhaps I'm being too optimistic, I hope not.
 
This is Curtis from Bournemouth, he's asking for assumptions...... Do your worst!! Instagram

When he says he's from the seaside town of Bournemouth, is he referring to where his pod beached themselves?

I'm reminded of an interview Mary Tyler Moore gave about her time on the Dick Van Dyke Show. Her character was a housewife, known for wearing capris:
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This was controversial. Originally she was barred from wearing pants and told to wear skirts/dresses.
I said, I've seen all the other actresses, and they're always running the vacuum in these little flowered frocks with high heels on, and I don't do that. And I don't know any of my friends who do that. So why don't we try to make this real? And I'll dress on the show the way I do in real life.
CBS said, “You know, we're afraid that housewives are going to be a little annoyed because she looks so good in pants." So they made Carl promise not to let me wear pants in more than one scene. We went along with that for about three episodes, and then finally, I was just wearing the pants. We got the absolution of men everywhere and women kind of breathed a sigh of relief, too, and said, "Hey, that's right. That's what we wear."
It's very telling that OP fixates on various aspects of being a "1950s housewife" but fails to mention the predominate reason that the "1950s housewife" existed. The average household size in the 1950s was 3.7, which meant most women had 1-2 children to be looking after. No mention of having children in that post, at all.

Things also took longer back then - many women didn't have access to a washing machine, and the washing machines that did exist didn't have modern rinse cycles; you'd have to rinse them, wring them through a mangle and because of the fabrics back then, iron absolutely everything (plus stuff like starching and bluing). You wouldn't have much time to be "pursuing hobbies" if you're constantly washing and cleaning and ironing and looking after children and cooking from scratch and going to various shops (because supermarkets were new). Plus 1950s women certainly weren't "going to the gym", they wouldn't have been allowed in and just sent to the ladies' calisthenics classes.

He doesn't want to be a housewife at all. He basically just wants to be Kevin Gibes and have no responsibilities or obligations while dressing up like a doll.
 
Do you think the troon will turn up? Somehow I doubt so and the tranny's gonna say how he thought it was April's Fool.

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Oh, he's too vain not to turn up; the bigger question is what will he wear. Something totally inappropriate of course, but how inappropriate will he go. And I'm guessing from what I know of their backgrounds that Joe is the younger by a decade or so, but you'd never know from the photos. Joyce doesn't look like she spends half her life in the hairdresser/tanning salon/beauty parlour/make up department, but she knows which end of a bar of soap is which. Joe looks like he's modelled his look on his dead granny.

Meanwhile in the Winter Olympics figure skating, one of the guys has come out as 'non-binary'. He's got a beard (although it looks a bit like it's stuck on), skates with a woman, lifts and throws her around a bit and acts like any other man in the pairs competition, but apparently he's 'not like all the other guys' What's that old saying? I don't think he's gay, but the young man he hangs around with certainly is. Not much support for him in the Twitter comments.

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And in a a fawning article from Reuters we learn that he is not the only one who has suffered real-life prejudice. His partner Ashley Cain-Gribble, is a modern day Rosa Parks 'who has spoken about being "body shamed" as a taller-than-average female skater.' '"I think both Ashley and I have had to overcome so many different things so many times when people have told us no or that we don't belong," LeDuc said.'

BEIJING, Feb 18 (Reuters) - Timothy LeDuc made history on Friday as the first openly non-binary Olympian to compete in the Winter Games, and the American pairs figure skater hopes to pave the way for others to enter the sport without being bound by gender stereotypes.

Competing in a discipline where the traditional male-female dynamic is usually unabashedly on full display had been a challenge for LeDuc as well as pairs partner Ashley Cain-Gribble, who has spoken about being "body shamed" as a taller-than-average female skater.


"It was such a joyous moment for us out there today," LeDuc, who began using the they/them pronouns in 2021, said after the pair skated to their season's best score of 74.13 in the short programme at the Beijing Games.

"I think both Ashley and I have had to overcome so many different things so many times when people have told us no or that we don't belong," LeDuc said. The pair advance to the final free skate on Saturday after placing seventh in the short programme.


"Both Ashley and I, we had something to prove today. I hope people watching us feel like maybe there is space for them to come into figure skating. And for them to be able to celebrate what makes them unique and different."

LeDuc said many people had reached out with words of support and gratitude.

"I know for me, people who are non-binary, it's only possible because amazing queer people have come before me and laid the groundwork for me. And so now I want to do that for others to come after as well."


A record number of openly LGBTQ+ athletes are competing at the Winter Olympics - at least 36, or double the number from Pyeongchang in 2018 - according to LGBTQ+ news site Outsports.

The Tokyo Summer Games last year saw the first openly transgender and non-binary Olympians.

 
Expecting straight trannies to put in effort is officially futile.
Look at the idiocy of this tubby Georgian man:
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Literally listen to reason…

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…or definitely don’t. Fucking
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The women doing free makeovers in this thread just has me. If any of you need professional styling just be a tranny ig
"Fatphobic". Fat phobia doesn't exist. People are disgusted by land whales because fat (a lot of it, a little chonk can be) is not attractive or healthy. Put down the fork fatty. You'll regret not doing it when you hit 40 and your body starts falling apart.

Source: a land whale (a smaller one than I used to be)
 
Ruining machine learning before it's even fully realized. Now this makes me MATI. We need those systems to be precise, adding convoluted made-up bullshit is only going to cause problems, require more power and bring even more false positives. If your bank or job or some shit requires some sort of biometric face ID down the line you don't want your payment to get canceled because it identified you as "non-binary" because of bad lighting.
I think it's actually a neat little challenge to program AI to recognize trannies from normal people. And I think it's also useful because while a TiM's behavior is usually distinct from a woman's, it's also distinct from a normal man's. Same for TiFs re men and women. And the differences between men and women are pretty well known and AI can do it pretty effectively, but recognizing a troon before he troons all over the place? That could be the next big step in facial recognition.
 
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Ah yes the chemical and surgical castration of minors aka children-as in those who cannot consent, is the same as an adult man knowingly and willingly consenting to sterilization in order to be recognized by the law, as their preferred gender.
It's almost like rapists and pedos have and will cross dress in order to access women and children, and wanting to verify (as best possible) that someone is transing out for legitimate distress vs. Wanting special access to cause harm or get financial benefits

Why would a true and honest trans person fear being sterilized if they experience such crippling bouts of dysphoria?

If this fuckwit doesn't recognize the diff then i am reluctant to believe his paper is robust enough to withstand the most basic criticism

Edit: does he care about the homosexuals being forcibly transed out by their homophobic governments?
As far as adult troons go most of them are downright eager to agree to sterilization via chopping off their balls or ripping out their uterus. I've spoken to plenty who were self-aware enough to acknowledge they were so fucked up in other ways that they do not ever WANT to have children of their own.

(Sidenote: Don't wanna derail the thread with a well-trodden argument but even the people who have "legitimate distress" should be considered to have significant underlying mental illness/trauma and perhaps we shouldn't be letting them easily go down paths that irreparably alter their bodies either.)
 
Whats with mtf troons dating ftm troons? thats basically being straight, the fuck?
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Petrelli also likes this.
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Viki posts so much stuff like this.

Let's have a look
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GoFundMe for phone bills in the name of Victoria Tucker of Tucson, AZ.
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He went from looking like a normal guy with a bit of acne to giving off weirdo incel type of vibes and now he posts a lot of filtered photos with added freckles and his underchin hidden
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This user was mentioned earlier this year when he was trying to find memes to convert his dad to troonism.

He is married to a woman (the one in the transition pics) who became a 'they' last year (both are 'neurodiverse'). It seems he met her on a dating app in 2019. She was ok with his sissy fetish and in fact 'made him realize' that he was trans (he now thinks sissy fetishism is transphobic).

His based family found out about this and staged a full intervention. They lectured him about the side effects of transitioning, recognized the influence of the internet, OCD and his girlfriend on his condition and took away his gun of out fear of him joining the 41%. They wanted to sue his doctor for getting him hormones so easily and even physically took him away from his girlfriend and made him check into a mental health institution. Everything you wish more parents of troons would do. :winner:
All to no avail, because he married his girlfriend shortly after (July 2020) to spite them and continued his transition (the professionals at the mental health place actually helped him with this).

Here's his full account of what his family and (former) best friend did in an attempt to de-program him from the gender cult

After the wedding he found out he was poly, but still claimed to be in a closed monogamous marriage as of last September.
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That didn't last very long because he recently started tweeting about his they-spouse having a boyfriend and he himself is openly longing for dicks and gangbangs, while calling some guy with pink hair his girlfriend.

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And there's also this. He got charged with contributing to delinquency [of a minor]. I think he encouraged violence against the police or something like that.

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He went to court looking like a clown
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There's supposed to be a next court date this month.

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So he got groomed into being a troon, abandoned a very caring family and all to fap from his cuck shed while his 3/10 wife gets plowed by other dudes

ETA for rope? I give this thing a year
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Gay porn sites have been infested with gross tifs and shemales, I guarantee it's gonna fuck up young guys and make them think that men will have to literally fuck anything.

You'll see those ftm gif ads from studios with them on the side bar of the videos, you can be watching something and those ads will creep up on you and kill your boner, I can only understate the gross factor of seeing a gif of ftm porn, it's vomit inducing and seeing them has made me gag. The actual men on those ads are actually degenerates and do straight porn, shemale porn, granny porn, whatever porn.


The amount of ftms freakshow ads and thumbnails I saw with their gross ass scars grossed me out of watching gay porn.

Straight porn sites don't have them though, the companies that run both straight and gay porn sites will never feature trans shit on straight men. So gay porn gets the burden of mtfs and ftms..

Even with watching straight porn I couldn't deny that if you're willing to do any porn you're probably already a degenerate willing to do that shit. It's going to happen, so I stopped contributing to it.
But I'd like to hear the contrary.

I'm not watching porn anymore, even speaking as a single man with needs, I honestly hate the industry all together but they never talk about how awfully normalized for us it is now that it's a click away, if you DON'T watch porn you're seen as weird. Awful. It's just as much as a tool for coercing people that fucking the clitcock is fine, or its normal to suck the girldick
Wouldnt being a gay guy fucking a ftm troon in the vagina technically make you hetero? like what, because she's dressed like a guy she's magically a gay guy now?
Unfortunately, trannies are pushing their shit much harder and actually making inroads, so people are having to (slowly) sharpen those debate skills to start punishing lazy thinking again. Dammit. I wish just a few more people with some amount of authority would just say "no" to these fuckheads. Just a few times would be enough. This garbage only works because practically everybody just roll over and take it.
Troons are making inroads because they have the entire lgbt political apparatus behind them. The flatearther, moonhoax and all other tinfoil idiots are mostly hicks and poor with no political representation. These troon perverts have an entire lobby funded by billionaires backing this shit
 
See, this is why I don't feel sorry for detransitioners anymore. They made their stinking bed, now they can lay in their filth.
I disagree, that's trying to paint with too broad a brush. A lot of the detransitioners were lured in by these same activists who now operate at every level. They (the activists) dominate social media, universities and now also large parts of the medical establishment. Some people just are unlucky enough to get swept up in those bubbles, they never really stood a chance. I am willing to give them a pass because of that.

Some detransitioners are obvious grifters and just go with wherever the wind blows but certainly not all of them.
 
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