Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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Do they usually do exercises like this during their war games? Genuinely curious.
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Only A Retard Sometimes said:
Now the Germans are telling their people to flee. they've been the most friendly to the Russians out of the NATO nations so far.

Russians now have a visual IFF system on their vehicles to avoid friendly fire.
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I wonder how much friendly fire there was in 2014 with both sides using broadly similar equipment.

The coalition didn't let Kuwait use their M84s during the Gulf War because they were externally nearly identical to Iraqi T-72s.
 
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дядя Боря said:
Ukraine still has Yuzhmash, that develops rocket and missile tech, working with some EU space agencies. I believe French Ariana rockets used their tech. There were some allegations that Nork missiles had Ukrainian origin, which may or not be true since most rocket dev work was done in Ukraine in Soviet times. Nuclear shit, they still have skillz, not sure how close to get to an actual working device, but mere threat of is probably sufficient by itself.

Unlike Russia or Belarus, Ukraine has regular elections of puppet, chocolate king and a real comedian, so at least elections have been regular enough that if this catches popular support, it may be a good platform to run on, and it would scare the shit out of EUrocucks.
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Even if we have the tech to build a legit bomb or even a rocket to deliver it (press x to doubt etc, etc), no country with a nuclear arsenal will allow Ukraine to have one. Having strategic weapons is a privilege of more or less stable and influential countries.

I would think that Zelensky, like a clown he is, just wants to add some drama or guilt-trip Western countries into giving more aid to Ukraine. Still, his statement was dumb as fuck, what diplomatical genius came up with that?
 
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Hey, I would love for Hungary to have ICBMs with Kobalt mirvs too, but I'm not sure how the Russians would stand by and let Ukraine get nukes. Or anyone that close to their border.

If it was a NATO country, maaaaybe they could get away with it, but I would still expect the ruskies to go mossad on them.

If they even considered it, I would think that Russia would go in balls deep. I mean, it is what I would do. It looks like a death-clock ticking down, and giving Ivan a time limit sounds really risky.

I do hope the clown knows what the fuck he is doing. He just decided to smear himself in huckleberries for the bear.
 
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I'm not a political analyst or anything but I think Putin is in a lose-lose situation here

If he invades then he will be proving Biden and the US intelligence agencies right that he was indeed provoking a war in eastern Europe and Russia will become a global pariah overnight. People who think sanctions won't harm the Russian economy are delusional. As much as Europe relies on them for gas, Russia equally relies on the EU for their imports. Plus all that oil that's not being bought is money that can't go into the Russian treasury. Ukraine will obviously lose but they have a pretty sizable military and I don't imagine they'll go down without a fight. If the Russian forces get bogged down or take too many casualties then this little stunt Putin is trying to pull could easily blow up in his face with a populace already dealing with a sharp downturn in their everyday quality of life. Frustration with Afghanistan was a factor that caused the original Soviet Union to collapse

If he backs down then he'll have the bragging rights of saying that the US and their allies were "wrong" but he'll likely piss off his frenzied nationalist population and Russia will look weak on the world stage. This is probably the better option for him since he'll be avoiding war but Ukrainians and other neutral European states will be more motivated to work with NATO and the west in the future and this whole scheme would have backfired

I still fully expect the Russian forces to invade. People who think they're just "scaring" Ukraine this late into their mobilization aren't opening their eyes at this point. I just don't see a future in which Russia comes out of this stronger than they were before
 
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I wonder how much time has to pass before English-speaking media acknowledges there is active shooting in Donbass, assuming it ever happens.
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If he backs down then he'll have the bragging rights of saying that the US and their allies were "wrong" but he'll likely piss off his frenzied nationalist population
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What frenzied nationalist population? Where? This entire military adventure is costing him popular support, not gaining it. If anything, his approval rating will go up if he backs down, assuming Azov batallion does not go full human skin lampshade on the remaining civilians in Donbass.
 
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Almighty MoeBro Nation said:
I'm not a political analyst or anything but I think Putin is in a lose-lose situation here

If he invades then he will be proving Biden and the US intelligence agencies right that he was indeed provoking a war in eastern Europe and Russia will become a global pariah overnight. People who think sanctions won't harm the Russian economy are delusional. As much as Europe relies on them for gas, Russia equally relies on the EU for their imports. Plus all that oil that's not being bought is money that can't go into the Russian treasury. Ukraine will obviously lose but they have a pretty sizable military and I don't imagine they'll go down without a fight. If the Russian forces get bogged down or take too many casualties then this little stunt Putin is trying to pull could easily blow up in his face with a populace already dealing with a sharp downturn in their everyday quality of life. Frustration with Afghanistan was a factor that caused the original Soviet Union to collapse

If he backs down then he'll have the bragging rights of saying that the US and their allies were "wrong" but he'll likely piss off his frenzied nationalist population and Russia will look weak on the world stage. This is probably the better option for him since he'll be avoiding war but Ukrainians and other neutral European states will be more motivated to work with NATO and the west in the future and this whole scheme would have backfired

I still fully expect the Russian forces to invade. People who think they're just "scaring" Ukraine this late into their mobilization aren't opening their eyes at this point. I just don't see a future in which Russia comes out of this stronger than they were before
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Putin gets points from the nationlist factions by simply not backing down from any western demands, he doesn't need to be proactive in being against the west to be in their good graces.

People are skeptical of the Russian invasion because they've been crying wolf since 2014. The Russians got want they wanted in 2014 with Crimea, the rest is far more trouble than it's worth.
 
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verissimus said:
Sort of a crazy thought, but what if Putin is after Belarus, not the Ukraine?
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Belarus is practically a provience of Russia, to the point that it was nearly absorbed into Russia as a PR stunt to improve Yeltsin's bad polling numbers. Fun Fact: Lukashenko almost ran for the Presidency of Russia, and would have been favored to win if the merger of Belarus with Russia did go through.
 
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Almighty MoeBro Nation said:
I'm not a political analyst or anything but I think Putin is in a lose-lose situation here

If he invades then he will be proving Biden and the US intelligence agencies right that he was indeed provoking a war in eastern Europe and Russia will become a global pariah overnight. People who think sanctions won't harm the Russian economy are delusional. As much as Europe relies on them for gas, Russia equally relies on the EU for their imports. Plus all that oil that's not being bought is money that can't go into the Russian treasury. Ukraine will obviously lose but they have a pretty sizable military and I don't imagine they'll go down without a fight. If the Russian forces get bogged down or take too many casualties then this little stunt Putin is trying to pull could easily blow up in his face with a populace already dealing with a sharp downturn in their everyday quality of life. Frustration with Afghanistan was a factor that caused the original Soviet Union to collapse

If he backs down then he'll have the bragging rights of saying that the US and their allies were "wrong" but he'll likely piss off his frenzied nationalist population and Russia will look weak on the world stage. This is probably the better option for him since he'll be avoiding war but Ukrainians and other neutral European states will be more motivated to work with NATO and the west in the future and this whole scheme would have backfired

I still fully expect the Russian forces to invade. People who think they're just "scaring" Ukraine this late into their mobilization aren't opening their eyes at this point. I just don't see a future in which Russia comes out of this stronger than they were before
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Option 3 is just hang out there around the outside for an extended time. Keep letting western media yell RUSSIA SET TO INVADE TOMORROW for a few months. After a while the borders get fuzzy as the troops wonder around.
 
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Almighty MoeBro Nation said:
I'm not a political analyst or anything but I think Putin is in a lose-lose situation here

If he invades then he will be proving Biden and the US intelligence agencies right that he was indeed provoking a war in eastern Europe and Russia will become a global pariah overnight. People who think sanctions won't harm the Russian economy are delusional.
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Further sanctions would buttfuck Russia hard. They've been seeing hard times since oil and gas prices cratered in the middle of last decade, the last thing they need now is for Nord Stream 2 to get accidentally blown up.

Almighty MoeBro Nation said:
If he backs down then he'll have the bragging rights of saying that the US and their allies were "wrong" but he'll likely piss off his frenzied nationalist population and Russia will look weak on the world stage. This is probably the better option for him since he'll be avoiding war but Ukrainians and other neutral European states will be more motivated to work with NATO and the west in the future and this whole scheme would have backfired
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Idk what Russians think but my guess is they aren't eager for war either (why would they be?). There are no neutral European states. Eastern Euros either hate Russia or are mini me's of Russia.

Almighty MoeBro Nation said:
I still fully expect the Russian forces to invade. People who think they're just "scaring" Ukraine this late into their mobilization aren't opening their eyes at this point. I just don't see a future in which Russia comes out of this stronger than they were before
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There's no rational win condition if they go balls deep into Ukraine. They've probably already prevented them joining Nato for a generation or two. If they avoid war and get Nord Stream 2 approved by the Germans, that's a victory for Putin.
 
дядя Боря said:
some hint that Ukraine may pursue a path to re-nuclearization
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announcing this in advance would be a terrible move, because if they actually begin any efforts towards that they will be isolated and crucified by all major powers on the international stage due to how hard everybody is committed to the non proliferation doctrine. even the americans would probably prefer ukraine getting annexed by russia entirely to ukraine having its own nuclear arsenal.
 
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Ukraine may pursue a path to re-nuclearization
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This is clearly the goal. However, the only way to do that is to get chummy with NATO in order to get some of those sweet American nukes assigned to your territory.

Also, video of Ukranian positions being shelled:
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Even Fox News got shelled (just spooked):
 
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