Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Zig Zag]

Are we a go for war already or what? I can only edge for so long before my skin starts to chafe.

 

[GreeneCoDeputy]

Multiple Donetsk sources are claiming to be on the receiving end of sustained artillery strikes, per retweets by The Intel Crab (h/t @Only A Retard Sometimes)

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So far seems like a counterbattery/countercounterbattery fuckfest.

 

[Prosphora]

Reliable sources have told me this is the Invasion plans for Ukraine.

 

[Coccxys]

Well they're still making noises like we're on for an actual happening

Evidence suggests Russia is planning "the biggest war in Europe since 1945", Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.
He told the BBC's Sophie Raworth in an interview: "All the signs are that the plan has already in some senses begun."
Intelligence suggests Russia intends to launch an invasion that will encircle Ukrainian capital Kyiv, Mr Johnson said.
"People need to understand the sheer cost in human life that could entail," he said.
The prime minister was speaking from Munich, where world leaders are meeting for an annual security conference.
The latest estimates by the US government suggests that between 169,000 and 190,000 Russian troops are now stationed along Ukraine's border, both in Russia and neighbouring Belarus - but this figure also includes rebels in eastern Ukraine.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

Well they're still making noises like we're on for an actual happening

Bojo really, really wants people to forget he had that cheeky party.

 

[hooboy]

Are we a go for war already or what? I can only edge for so long before my skin starts to chafe.

choose better edging material, I still think there won’t be any cum

and if there’s cum I’ll drink my piss

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

Biden is having a National secruity meeting sunday, which apparently never happens.

 

[Titos]

Neocongressman Joe Wilson (R-AIPAC) decided to hold a "let's bomb Russia" rally today.

It was less popular than a Jeb! sex tape

https://mobile.twitter.com/mtracey/status/1494884520558047234?s=20&t=39FSUSG2WOkh7N3S4P9tFg

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Hey, a Jeb! sex tape would be kino. Longer than even Jodorowskys Dune because Jeb! knows that slow and steady wins the race.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

Hey, a Jeb! sex tape would be kino. Longer than even Jodorowskys Dune because Jeb! knows that slow and steady wins the race.

MY KINGDOM! MY KINGDOM FOR A HORRIFYING RATING

 

[Kaede Did Nothing Wrong]

Russian armored unit buzzing through belarus. RIP that pavement.

https://twitter.com/CyberRealms1/status/1495130798588108806

the videos on twitter are wild to look at. archiving some of them locally.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

Flashes in the night sky in Donetsk

 

[The golden neckbeard]

Why does so much of Rural Russia literally look like Chernobyl?

 

[The golden neckbeard]

Looks like they're on the move tonight.
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https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1495168140061384708

https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1495172211002466311

I am seeing a very Classic Blitzkrieg like Spearhead forming around Kharkov based on Social Media Videos.

I noticed 2 very large formations filmed one to the north and one to the east. Each about 700 vehicles, this is part of that east group

Im thinking its gonna go like this.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

Its going to be interesting to see how these Blitzkrieg tactics of last century work in the era of drone warfare. Tanks by all measures seem to be obsolete and have been since about 2006, as Anti-Tank missiles have become too sophistication and war now has resumed being about Trenches, artillery and another new terror: Drones.

Tho air superiority will play a pretty key role for Russia and should allow them to avoid the sort of trench and dug in warfare seen in Donetsk, Armenia, Syria and other recent conflicts. Im still going to be really paying attention to the Doctrine aspect of this. Tanks now a-days literally need protection on top of protect on top of protection just to survive.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

Its going to be interesting to see how these Blitzkrieg tactics of last century work in the era of drone warfare. Tanks by all measures seem to be obsolete and have been since about 2006, as Anti-Tank missiles have become too sophistication and war now has resumed being about Trenches, artillery and another new terror: Drones.

Tho air superiority will play a pretty key role for Russia and should allow them to avoid the sort of trench and dug in warfare seen in Donetsk, Armenia, Syria and other recent conflicts. Im still going to be really paying attention to the Doctrine aspect of this. Tanks now a-days literally need protection on top of protect on top of protection just to survive.

this is ridiculous. without tanks leading the way any advance will get cut down by infantry and artillery.

The threat from drones and missiles is not new. In fact the whole concept of a Main Battle Tank is a creation of this environment. Tanks had to evolve into highly armored and highly mobile vehicles to survive. and they did. Reactive armor makes them even more of a hard target.

And drones are just filling the same role as ground attack planes like the A-10 and Su-25 did, and by the 1980's that role was going extinct. The A-10 would have been shot down by USSR AAA that trailed along with all tank units. The Russians still have very good AAA, some of the best in the world. including EW/jamming which drones are going to be particularly vulnerable too.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

this is ridiculous. without tanks leading the way any advance will get cut down by infantry and artillery.

The threat from drones and missiles is not new. In fact the whole concept of a Main Battle Tank is a creation of this environment. Tanks had to evolve into highly armored and highly mobile vehicles to survive. and they did. Reactive armor makes them even more of a hard target.

And drones are just filling the same role as ground attack planes like the A-10 and Su-25 did, and by the 1980's that role was going extinct. The A-10 would have been shot down by USSR AAA that trailed along with all tank units. The Russians still have very good AAA, some of the best in the world. including EW/jamming which drones are going to be particularly vulnerable too.

Nah...the main battle tank was created way before Cheap drones took to the skies. Drones armed with ATGM's have made tanks sitting ducks. Swarms of them have completely changed the battlefields in Libya and elsewhere. The drones are difficult to pick up on Radar and are hard to shoot down. A couple dozen of these would absolutely shred armored column unless you could shoot them down.

But we will see

I mean, you can only improvise so much armor before your tank literally becomes immobile

(also these types of improvisations wont work and Active protection systems can be fooled with ease)

I think the future personally is Drones, artillery and highly mobile infantry. I think the tank is in its last decades but there maybe some sort anti-drone technology that keeps expensive armored vehicles relevant that's out their and deployed in Secret.

Just my personal opinion. Its cool you can disagree because I love tanks also bro and hate drones so much. They are just so fucking OP in modern warfare its almost not even fair. They make killing so easy and turn war literally into a video game from somewhere else where as being a tanker is a personal affair that requires physical work and risk

 

[murdered meat bag]

Nah...the main battle tank was created way before Cheap drones took to the skies. Drones armed with ATGM's have made tanks sitting ducks. Swarms of them have completely changed the battlefields in Libya and elsewhere. The drones are difficult to pick up on Radar and are hard to shoot down. A couple dozen of these would absolutely shred armored column unless you could shoot them down.

But we will see

I mean, you can only improvise so much armor before your tank literally becomes immobile

(also these types of improvisations wont work and Active protection systems can be fooled with ease)

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I think the future personally is Drones, artillery and highly mobile infantry. I think the tank is in its last decades but there maybe some sort anti-drone technology that keeps expensive armored vehicles relevant that's out their and deployed in Secret.

Just my personal opinion. Its cool you can disagree because I love tanks also bro and hate drones so much. They are just so fucking OP in modern warfare its almost not even fair. They make killing so easy and turn war literally into a video game from somewhere else where as being a tanker is a personal affair that requires physical work and risk

wasnt there a US wargame where the information network was hacked by china and made drones and comms useless. maybe ghey can make a giant radar gun like the police and airports use to take down drones.

that could be a thing.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

Nah...the main battle tank was created way before Cheap drones took to the skies. Drones armed with ATGM's have made tanks sitting ducks. Swarms of them have completely changed the battlefields in Libya and elsewhere. The drones are difficult to pick up on Radar and are hard to shoot down. A couple dozen of these would absolutely shred armored column unless you could shoot them down.

But we will see

I mean, you can only improvise so much armor before your tank literally becomes immobile

(also these types of improvisations wont work and Active protection systems can be fooled with ease)

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I think the future personally is Drones, artillery and highly mobile infantry. I think the tank is in its last decades but there maybe some sort anti-drone technology that keeps expensive armored vehicles relevant

.....and what better way to directly support infantry than high caliber direct fire artillery? All the examples of drone usage "making tanks obsolete" have been in highly permissive environments. I cant think of a time when a middle eastern or 3rd world ground force actually took effective countermeasures. No EW, No IR smoke, Little to no use of active/reactive armor, No AAA use to speak of.

and if you look into the very near future, vehicle mounted lasers will be able to fry smaller drones. its already in the works.

and to round it out, a tank can put a lot more iron downrange than a drone can and for pennies on the dollar.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

wasnt there a US wargame where the information network was hacked by china and made drones and comms useless. maybe ghey can make a giant radar gun like the police and airports use to take down drones.

that could be a thing.

maybe. I know drones can be hacked but there is no device that i know of that can deny a large area of Drones. Even AA systems like Patriot Batteries and S-400's cannot pick up these new drones....they constantly get through because they fly like birds and are mistaken generally as birds on the screen. Unless you send something up to look you have no idea. Look at what the Houthi's have done with them.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

.....and what better way to directly support infantry than high caliber direct fire artillery? All the examples of drone usage "making tanks obsolete" have been in highly permissive environments. I cant think of a time when a middle eastern or 3rd world ground force actually took effective countermeasures. No EW, No IR smoke, Little to no use of active/reactive armor, No AAA use to speak of.

and if you look into the very near future, vehicle mounted lasers will be able to fry smaller drones. its already in the works.

and to round it out, a tank can put a lot more iron downrange than a drone can and for pennies on the dollar.

Oh yes I agree but war like everything else comes down to Cost. a 1 million dollar drone vs a 10 million dollar tank

Anyway, Ukraine now is talking about getting nukes

Ukraine threatens to renounce its non-nuclear status

Volodymyr Zelensky has not ruled out that Ukraine might renounce its non-nuclear status unless it gets security guarantees

www.rt.com

I think we are hours away from an either a direct Russian attack or a hybrid Russia/Militia attack backed up Russian shit from behind.