Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[DumbDude42]

The real world is not a video game where you gain a direct benefit from conquering some pre-designated resources. The main issues concerning the Russian economy right now are low birth rates, an ageing population and the constant brain drain of the educated population. Invading Ukraine will only expedite these issues. When the economy crashes and the Rouble loses what little value it has left, every young person with half a brain will seek to leave the country. I do not know a single Russian who would not take the opportunity to live and work in the west if given the chance. Most would even be happy living in China if it meant that they could have a stable life and a reasonable wage without a government that constantly crashes the economy with its insane antics.

Trade and innovation are the things that generate wealth in the real world. The only industry that Ukraine has of any value is the steel industry, and even that is inferior to both the Russian and Chinese industries in quality and value. It'll be cheaper to produce steel in Russia from Russian raw materials for Russian steel products than take over some dinky Ukrainian factory to do the same. Even if you somehow would benefit from these industries, who would you sell these products to? No country would buy products from occupied Ukraine at a reasonable price. Not that there is much value in any Ukrainian products anyway.

I have no doubt that if Russia takes over Eastern Ukraine, every young person with the ability to do so will flee to the west, leaving behind the pensioners and whatever vatniks Ukraine has left. I don't think these will be much help for Russian demographics or the economy.

more men to potentially conscript into the army. not the ukrainians themselves, but all the russians in ukraine.
more and better black sea ports and naval bases.
more positions to put military stuff closer to NATO. radar, missiles, sigint, whatever, right on the polish and romanian borders.

whether it is really worth taking depends on how much the western reprisals (sanctions) will hurt, and on whether the conquered ukrainians will accept their fate or start fighting a partisan war against the occupying russians.

 

[BelUwUga]

Is it happening? Or am I falling for trolls?

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/362362711 I know APCs are not tanks but the what is less important than the where.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

The real world is not a video game where you gain a direct benefit from conquering some pre-designated resources. The main issues concerning the Russian economy right now are low birth rates, an ageing population and the constant brain drain of the educated population. Invading Ukraine will only expedite these issues. When the economy crashes and the Rouble loses what little value it has left, every young person with half a brain will seek to leave the country. I do not know a single Russian who would not take the opportunity to live and work in the west if given the chance. Most would even be happy living in China if it meant that they could have a stable life and a reasonable wage without a government that constantly crashes the economy with its insane antics.

Trade and innovation are the things that generate wealth in the real world. The only industry that Ukraine has of any value is the steel industry, and even that is inferior to both the Russian and Chinese industries in quality and value. It'll be cheaper to produce steel in Russia from Russian raw materials for Russian steel products than take over some dinky Ukrainian factory to do the same. Even if you somehow would benefit from these industries, who would you sell these products to? No country would buy products from occupied Ukraine at a reasonable price. Not that there is much value in any Ukrainian products anyway.

I have no doubt that if Russia takes over Eastern Ukraine, every young person with the ability to do so will flee to the west, leaving behind the pensioners and whatever vatniks Ukraine has left. I don't think these will be much help for Russian demographics or the economy.

Ukraine has a substantial aerospace industry, mostly rocket engines.

 

[Richardface]

Between tank clashes in eastern Ukraine and the armoured truck clashes of the Canadian civil war 2022 is looking to be a VERY good year for the armchair general

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Representative for Kenya had a pretty good speech. Haven't really been listening to many of them.

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[thx1138]

Representative for Kenya had a pretty good speech. Haven't really been listening to many of them.

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Unless it involved him telling Putin that his brother, a Prince, had recently passed away, and he wished to bequeath him $5m USD for the cost of just a simple bank transfer fee, I don't know how good it can be.

 

[Dave_Ph]

Between tank clashes in eastern Ukraine and the armoured truck clashes of the Canadian civil war 2022 is looking to be a VERY good year for the armchair general

Unless it involved him telling Putin that his brother, a Prince, had recently passed away, and he wished to bequeath him $5m USD for the cost of just a simple bank transfer fee, I don't know how good it can be.

Or was he complaining
"The White People left too soon"

 

[IamnottheNSA]

No one's asking the real question: If a no-shit war between Russia and Ukraine breaks out, what will happen to Coach Red Pill and his homosexual Tyler Durden LARP commune?

I think if the kill list exists, he’d be on it. Western cult leaders aren’t exactly held in high regard by them.

Putin looks tiny in this photo almost 5"1 so as big as Ethan Ralph

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Putin may look 5’1’’ but it was Biden who sharted.

 

[Dave_Ph]

Putin may look 5’1’’ but it was Biden who sharted.

Taller than Matty "Beardson" then

 

[MeltyTW]

i kinda cared but then i remembered the groups trying to protect democracy in ukraine also define democracy as using a 1984 police state to take secret police action against the finances of people in a plainly punitive measure as they crack skulls in the streets while murderers and pedophiles chanting blm can burn cities while were expected to bend the knee and thank them for assaulting our wives and children and where children who defend themselves from pedos are harassed in illegitimate trials and smeared by a senile president as anti black despite not harming any black people or saying any slurs.

 

[Dave_Ph]

i kinda cared but then i remembered the groups trying to protect democracy in ukraine also define democracy as using a 1984 police state to take secret police action against the finances of people in a plainly punitive measure as they crack skulls in the streets while murderers and pedophiles chanting blm can burn cities while were expected to bend the knee and thank them for assaulting our wives and children and where children who defend themselves from pedos are harassed in illegitimate trials and smeared by a senile president as anti black despite not harming any black people or saying any slurs.

Yeah, but do they use the kids correct pronouns

Lmao this will affect maybe 5 people. Most Americans cannot even find Ukraine on a map.

And one of them is Hunter

 

[Greyfield]

That's bullshit, before USSR those nations were deeply distinct. There are memoirs of bolshevick comrades coming from Petrograd to ... Donetsk region and lamenting that no one spoke Russian and basically going back. When you are going to non-slav regions like 'stans, it's even worse, language barrier was greater, as was national identity. There is a reason why you need to break down a big country into regions.

The second part for federating into republics is that at least officially, bolshevicks prided themselves as the ideology of multiculturalism and inclusion, equality of all workers. Division was only between classes, not races or ethnicities or sexes. This is why a lot of people from nations under colonial rule would buy into this shit, being an individual country but withing the larger alliance under commie rule. Globohomo was never popular, especially in the past.

While the official line was multiculturalism, Russian language and everything Russian was promoted the fuck out as superior, state language and mass resettlement of Russian speakers. To this day, most Warsaw pact faggots can speak a few words in Russian.

I didn't say anything about before, but Stalin's plan to melt it all down into one nation instead of committing to this multistate crap Lenin pushed for would have led to a different outcome. The break up of the Soviet Union would have been far less feasible if these countries had less of a distinct, individualistic national identy. The making and breaking of nations is what the Soviets did all the time. Turkmenistan was a bunch of warring tribes before they were straight jacketed into being one republic by the Soviets, and to this day, they are a country.

And the fact that they prided themselves on being a multi-ethnic group was part of Stalin's point. What got to be a republic and what didn't was arbitrary in Stalin's view. Ukraine and Georgia get their own republics, but places already absorbed into Russia like Tartarstan don't get one, and don't get the same voice as the republic nations. If anything, making every nation equal under Russia would have been a more fair system. The messy system Lenin forced Stalin to make greatly simplified the process of breaking away in 1991, while countries that were already absorbed into Russia like the Republic of Tartarstan, which was its own nation with a language and culture and history of its own, are still a part of Russia.

If Stalin had just had his way, and all these places felt like they were all part of a Russian state for decades, it would have been a far more difficult proposition for the union to collapse. Kotkin explains this better than I can.

 

[Dave_Ph]

Surprising how little this is being talked about, and even more, how little is being done. It seems Ukraine is just going to stand down unless Russia decides to push forward for more territory than the Donbas. I knew the US was not going to get involved but I would've guessed that Poland would've started to mobilize towards their borders.

It seems that there's no troop movements in Belarus, which makes me think that Russia is not going to start an invasion just yet. As of now, it's probably just Crimea all over again. pretty much just moving into territory that was already de facto controlled by Russia and making it official. Ukraine has no other choice than to lie down and take it since nobody wants to go to war with Russia.

Brandon gave him permission a few weeks ago.
Only a "smol incursion ".
And he's not a moron like Brandon. He doesn't want to attack a major city and slaughter civilians publicly in the numbers Biden claims.

Wasn't the grab of the disputed "Russian speaking" territories obvious or am I even more brilliant than I thought.

And now Brandon gets to claim he stopped him.
And so soon after he cured covid

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

Is it happening? Or am I falling for trolls?
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https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/362362711 I know APCs are not tanks but the what is less important than the where.

There were tanks in Georgia '08, tanks in Crimea 2015, and tanks Nagorno-Karabakh 2020. There will be tanks in Donbass 2022. Just because you see a BMP-2 does not mean it's WWIII.

Here is a map from 2015. Let me know when the tanks show up outside of the green/gray/red/blue areas. Red is where they are going. Green and blue are the furthest they could go.

 

[Hypnomouse]

Something that caught my eye....why have 3 phones?

Those do not even look new, they look very late 90's.

Probably internal security. Simpler tech is easier to make safe. Or their security technology is just really behind.

 

[3-2-1836]

I didn't say anything about before, but Stalin's plan to melt it all down into one nation instead of committing to this multistate crap Lenin pushed for would have led to a different outcome. The break up of the Soviet Union would have been far less feasible if these countries had less of a distinct, individualistic national identy. The making and breaking of nations is what the Soviets did all the time. Turkmenistan was a bunch of warring tribes before they were straight jacketed into being one republic by the Soviets, and to this day, they are a country.

And the fact that they prided themselves on being a multi-ethnic group was part of Stalin's point. What got to be a republic and what didn't was arbitrary in Stalin's view. Ukraine and Georgia get their own republics, but places already absorbed into Russia like Tartarstan don't get one, and don't get the same voice as the republic nations. If anything, making every nation equal under Russia would have been a more fair system. The messy system Lenin forced Stalin to make greatly simplified the process of breaking away in 1991, while countries that were already absorbed into Russia like the Republic of Tartarstan, which was its own nation with a language and culture and history of its own, are still a part of Russia.

If Stalin had just had his way, and all these places felt like they were all part of a Russian state for decades, it would have been a far more difficult proposition for the union to collapse. Kotkin explains this better than I can.

Wasn't the purpose of creating soviet republics also to make it easier to absorb other nations? Like the Karelia SSR was created specifically to facilitate annexing Finland proper

 

[IKOL]

no, the question is: will they be invading germany.
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why are you posting Islamic content here, bruh.

 

[Hypnomouse]

There were tanks in Georgia '08, tanks in Crimea 2015, and tanks Nagorno-Karabakh 2020. There will be tanks in Donbass 2022. Just because you see a BMP-2 does not mean it's WWIII.

truth be said. putin is one patient motherfucker. goddam

 

[дядя Боря]

I didn't say anything about before, but Stalin's plan to melt it all down into one nation instead of committing to this multistate crap Lenin pushed for would have led to a different outcome. The break up of the Soviet Union would have been far less feasible if these countries had less of a distinct, individualistic national identy. The making and breaking of nations is what the Soviets did all the time. Turkmenistan was a bunch of warring tribes before they were straight jacketed into being one republic by the Soviets, and to this day, they are a country.

And the fact that they prided themselves on being a multi-ethnic group was part of Stalin's point. What got to be a republic and what didn't was arbitrary in Stalin's view. Ukraine and Georgia get their own republics, but places already absorbed into Russia like Tartarstan don't get one, and don't get the same voice as the republic nations. If anything, making every nation equal under Russia would have been a more fair system. The messy system Lenin forced Stalin to make greatly simplified the process of breaking away in 1991, while countries that were already absorbed into Russia like the Republic of Tartarstan, which was its own nation with a language and culture and history of its own, are still a part of Russia.

If Stalin had just had his way, and all these places felt like they were all part of a Russian state for decades, it would have been a far more difficult proposition for the union to collapse. Kotkin explains this better than I can.

Yugos are great example. You take oil and water, you mix it real well, you supress nationalism, you rewrite history ... and then guess what? Same as with every single soviet republic, with generations of people who grew up brainwashed with lies ... the truth will come out, the old wounds will reopen.

Building an empire is an exercise of pissing against the second law of thermodynamics. Entropy will increase, always has.



In other news, hour and a half ago, there was UN security counsel meeting. Cliffs:

1. Russia blames Ukraine of shelling separatists, shelling Russian towns and villages, dead people and hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing to Russia. They assured everyone that they only want diplomatic solution and want the bloodshed to stop.

2. Ukraine showed that Russian declaration was copy/paste from their invasion into Georgia and Russians being lazy to even make up new lies.

3. Everyone else pretty much said that violating Ukrainian borders is bad, mkay.


That was it. Russia strategy is to look you in the eye and beg for peace as they shoot at you. This way it confuses the other people before they die. Morning is coming in EU soon, we'll see what the new day brings.

 

[Greyfield]

Wasn't the purpose of creating soviet republics also to make it easier to absorb other nations? Like the Karelia SSR was created specifically to facilitate annexing Finland proper

That wasn't the aim originally. For nations already at their mercy, the creation of Soviet Republics was like a bet on this catching on internationally with Germany and Hungary and countries all around the world. It wasn't so much absorption, but the countries being made into "equal" partners with Russia in a world revolution. In practice, this was not the case, and what making republics turned into under Stalin is a different discussion.

Stalin didn't believe in a world revolution spontaneously catching on and nations joining willingly, his theory of geopolitics involved revolution being only possible in countries ravaged by prolonged war. This is part of why he signed a pact with Germany, he wanted the Nazis fighting a long, dragged out war with France and England so they could fall to revolution later.