Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

[femcellophane]

I love seeing Joseph act like the thing neither he nor any of his gang of balding wannabe yentas will ever have.

a real pussy, lol

 

[Norman B. Normal]

Edit: is worth a feature? I don't Wana bother daddy asking what the criteria is but I'm kinda curious if traffic here will increase

I think chickening out of a public debate with a TERF and getting banned from Twitter and Instagram all on the same day is at least consideration-worthy. @Null, please take note.

 

[Amphitrite]

Just for you Mealy...

Spitting Image - The Chicken Song (Live on Top Of The Pops, 1986)

© BBC

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[BluntyBitch]

How dare Joe bring the Smiths into this.

I read somewhere that because Morrissey is a diehard hardcore vegan that he's not pro Troon hormones because those pharmaceuticals are not guaranteed vegan or some nonsense? Morrissey is also a loudmouth crazy person lolcow known to publically call out people who use his material or bring him up in interviews , like using his name for their fame. recently he complained his former bandmate from 20yra before were still bringing him up in interviews and they haven't talked in fuckall, he's a giant fucking tantruming manbaby. I'd be so fucking amused if Morrissey ever tweeted back at Joe. of course, he's raking in the dough in royalties rn so he could give fuckall.

Since Joe is too to debate a true&honest woman, I've suggested at least once he could debate a man. Maybe Morrissey is more his speed and style. I mean they're both obnoxious Englishmen pieces of shit

 

[Trianon]

Haha. Looking at the twitter rules I'm guessing it was this:

For all his disingenuous whining about Substack "enforcing their own TOS," he should be very pleased that Twitter enforced theirs.

HAHAHAHA. The Windsor fans pounced. Got him on Instagram too! "Come at the Queen, you best not miss," etc., etc.

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G O D, what a loser. I thought he'd put up a few more days of fight (there was no way he would last until April), but I guess Terf Island's Queen coming after him was too much to take. Also pretty sure protonmail is for "fascists" or something.

By the way, the withdrawal letter was posted here (NOT via Mallory or Lily, but another troon who just got cancer):

https://twitter.com/dearsplenda/status/1495808326113927172?s=21

Quote-tweets are a goddamn gem.



All of these quote-tweets were helpfully collected here in a post tutting at the "mass harassment" that happened to poor trans people because Joe chickened out.

https://transsafety.network/posts/grace-lavery-backlash | Archive

 

[Oh piss off!]

HAHAHAHA. The Windsor fans pounced. Got him on Instagram too! "Come at the Queen, you best not miss," etc., etc.


G O D, what a loser. I thought he'd put up a few more days of fight (there was no way he would last until April), but I guess Terf Island's Queen coming after him was too much to take. Also pretty sure protonmail is for "fascists" or something.

By the way, the withdrawal letter was posted here (NOT via Mallory or Lily, but another troon who just got cancer):

https://twitter.com/dearsplenda/status/1495808326113927172?s=21

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Quote-tweets are a goddamn gem.

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All of these quote-tweets were helpfully collected here in a post tutting at the "mass harassment" that happened to poor trans people because Joe chickened out.

https://transsafety.network/posts/grace-lavery-backlash | Archive

This was of course exactly what Lavery was hoping would happen.

"See how awful they are? Look! Look at them, not me!"

 

[AirdropShitposts]

Big Tech silencing another brave marginalized women for daring to stand up to cis bigotry. This is what they do to people who challenge those in power by writing books that refuse to conform to the cishetpatriarchy's demands. Rather than actually debate the ideas presented the cis simply attack and ban the messenger.

 

[Allo Vera]

TERF Twitter have been busy.



Britbongs wish he was American obvs.



And who should pop up in the replies but bus enthusiast and stalwart of the Tranny Sideshows thread, Amy Petrelli:

Short and sweet subtweet from Kathleen Stock

 

[behindyourightnow]

So he owes me 100 quid. What are the odds he doesn't pay up?

The thing is, i suspect that Joe plans to dox anyone who emails him asking about getting their money; in fact, he will probably ask for more personal details before revealing screenshots of the email exchange to his followers on Twitter. He’ll throw anyone under the bus to get back in the good graces of the TRA crowd.

I read somewhere that because Morrissey is a diehard hardcore vegan that he's not pro Troon hormones because those pharmaceuticals are not guaranteed vegan or some nonsense? Morrissey is also a loudmouth crazy person lolcow known to publically call out people who use his material or bring him up in interviews , like using his name for their fame. recently he complained his former bandmate from 20yra before were still bringing him up in interviews and they haven't talked in fuckall, he's a giant fucking tantruming manbaby. I'd be so fucking amused if Morrissey ever tweeted back at Joe. of course, he's raking in the dough in royalties rn so he could give fuckall.

Since Joe is too to debate a true&honest woman, I've suggested at least once he could debate a man. Maybe Morrissey is more his speed and style. I mean they're both obnoxious Englishmen pieces of shit

Morrissey is an absolute cunt, but he wasn't the main talent behind the Smiths and even if he was, most of us can still enjoy artwork even if we dislike the creator. Which sets us apart from troons, who all sadly had to get their Harry Potter tattoos lasered off because the mean British lady said there were only two sexes.

I would totally watch that debate, though. Hopefully it would end in the world's saddest fistfight.

 

[Allo Vera]

So Helen Joyce, Unherd and the venue are saying they’re still interested in having a debate and will any other TRA throw their hat into the ring?

https://twitter.com/freddiesayers/status/1496070689069187072?s=21

Was Grace Lavery silenced by her own community?

Grace Lavery is a prominent trans activist and professor of Gender Studies at UC Berkeley in California. As part of the promotion of her new book, Please Miss: A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Penis, about living as a transwoman since 2018, she had been offering to debate a “gender critical...

unherd.com

 

[Potatis Salad]

Not for the first time, Joe claims to be "freelapsing" on oxycodone. This was posted Monday evening NYC time, so it's possible that Joe's meltdown was partially fueled by pills, but he could also have "boiled his foot" and acquired the painkillers after everything went down. (Also possible he already had a stash and used the "boiled foot" as an excuse to treat himself.)

In the few years I've been following him, this paragon of sobriety has "freelapsed" on more opioid painkillers than I have taken in my entire life.

 

[pursuitsnail]

I'm going to have to pin my hopes on him not dropping out of the Bindel debate to see him squirm under someone not buying his very-much-smarter-than-you-stop-looking-at-my-bafflegab act in a way he can't just flounce from. Maybe Julie will have the pleasure of learning she's a sex position and economic role! He doesn't seem really able to think outside of the moment, so I'm dying to know if he has even considered, just for a second, what it means to define half of humanity as a fleeting existence, an act, and a job rather than material reality.

 

[Mayhem]

Not for the first time, Joe claims to be "freelapsing" on oxycodone. This was posted Monday evening NYC time, so it's possible that Joe's meltdown was partially fueled by pills, but he could also have "boiled his foot" and acquired the painkillers after everything went down. (Also possible he already had a stash and used the "boiled foot" as an excuse to treat himself.)
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In the few years I've been following him, this paragon of sobriety has "freelapsed" on more opioid painkillers than I have taken in my entire life.

Is he teaching classes right now? While high on painkillers?

 

[Cryin RN]

I'm going to have to pin my hopes on him not dropping out of the Bindel debate to see him squirm under someone not buying his very-much-smarter-than-you-stop-looking-at-my-bafflegab act in a way he can't just flounce from. Maybe Julie will have the pleasure of learning she's a sex position and economic role! He doesn't seem really able to think outside of the moment, so I'm dying to know if he has even considered, just for a second, what it means to define half of humanity as a fleeting existence, an act, and a job rather than material reality.

You're totally right, he'll have to accuse JBinds of actually being a man since his argument relies on "gender is the way people perceive you" or some dumb bullshit like that. She's a factory-class tiny butch spinster, which makes her the perfect visual foil to Joe's expensive clown costume BreadTube accent bullshit.

How the heck did he get opes? He hasn't had any surgery, right? That prescription ain't in his name.

ETA: It's interesting that in a time of stress (lel), his reaction is to retreat and self-soothe using psychoactives, instead of say, touching grass and spending quality time with his two(?) supportive(?) partners. He's not cured of his alcoholism because he hasn't changed his fundamental response to stress: distraction and avoidance. Yeah, it sucks to bail on a debate that he secretly wanted to do, but the adult way to handle disappointments is to face them, take a deep breath, and learn something. Now I wonder if his exotic jerb hopping coast to coast is a way to avoid inter-relational conflict with Mallory when the heat dials up at home.

 

[Potatis Salad]

How the heck did he get opes? He hasn't had any surgery, right? That prescription ain't in his name.

His last opioid "freelapse" was a multi-day affair involving dental pain. iirc he had an issue and couldn't get in to the dentist for a few days, and during the waiting period was bragging about being high on painkillers. I think the dentist probably gave him a script and he stashed some for his next manic episode life-threatening tea spill on his foot.

Yeah, it sucks to bail on a debate that he secretly wanted to do

Homeboy is OVERJOYED he doesn't have to do it.

 

[Allo Vera]

Well I’ve learned a new word today.

But is it a freelapse when you’re taking a ton of pills for spurious reasons? I mean, a boiled foot? He isn’t Princess Margaret.

 

[Ona Quest]

BREAKING NEWS

LAVERY PULLS OUT OF DEBATE WITH JOYCE

x-posted on tranny sideshows​

Trans community speculated of having intimidated Lavery into pulling out

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WAS GRACE SILENCED BY HER OWN COMMUNITY?

She pulled out of an UnHerd event after pressure from fellow trans activists

BY FREDDIE SAYERS

Grace Lavery is a prominent trans activist and professor of Gender Studies at UC Berkeley in California. As part of the promotion of her new book, Please Miss: A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Penis, about living as a transwoman since 2018, she had been offering to debate a “gender critical feminist”. She specifically invited The Economist’s Helen Joyce, author of Trans, to do so. Joyce agreed in theory — but nobody would host the event. It was considered too fraught and too much of a risk that Grace would pull out.

At UnHerd we believe it is important to talk about difficult topics — amazingly, this would seem to have been the first in-person discussion between a gender-critical feminist and a trans activist. So we agreed to host the potentially difficult conversation. We managed to find a date, venue, format and title that both Helen and Grace were happy with. I would moderate, as someone who has no corner to fight in this discussion — Grace’s team found me to be “a great, steady moderating presence” in my YouTube interviews.

Behind the scenes, the emails remained extremely civil, and Grace was at pains to emphasise how she was “utterly committed” to the event going ahead. But things soon started getting a little odd on her Twitter feed.

Earlier in the process, she had shared screengrabs on Twitter of a private email saying that Helen couldn’t do certain dates, apparently to show that it wasn’t Grace being difficult. Then, after the event had been announced, she posted an extraordinary Twitter thread:

I don’t consider Helen Joyce, a fascist, “worth” engaging and ideally her grift, which plays on the bigotry and fear of a large cohort of British idiots, would have been corrected *long* before it got to this stage… I’m saying this because I definitely want it to be clear (1) I don’t think Helen Joyce is smart or that her book is interesting. I think they are *powerful* and need to be demolished; (2) I still think no-platforming fascists is still the right move and the UK should have tried it. Also, to be clear, (3) if the events go ahead, no trans people should attend them, or give their money or data to the fascist enablers who are profiting off transphobia. Fuck all of these people, I have no interest in legitimating these ppl and I’m not going to be nice to them.

- GRACE LAVERY, TWITTER

Grace, it seemed, had been coming under pressure and was getting nervous: the most generous explanation for this outburst was that by calling the person she had invited to debate a “fascist” and implying that her host was a “fascist enabler” she signalling her bona fides to the more jittery elements of her community. It was starting to feel very unpleasant, but we felt it was still worth trying to make the discussion happen.

Grace herself explained what happened next. She has been getting “a few” messages from trans people in the UK asking her to reconsider doing the event. She invited them to a private zoom call to share their concerns. Her tone on Twitter was already different, and she sounded notably more fearful:

I’m open to discussing this issue. My goal is to build up and support trans civil rights activism in the UK, not to harm it… if I’ve made a mistake, I’ll acknowledge it gratefully.

- GRACE LAVERY, TWITTER

And then, one day later, she pulled out. Her team emailed to explain how her community had persuaded her to stand down:

I’m writing on behalf of Grace here to let you and UnHerd know that after a difficult meeting this morning with members of the UK trans community, Grace has decided she cannot proceed with the scheduled UnHerd debate. Too many people in the community felt strongly that it would do more harm than good, and she simply doesn’t believe she can participate if she doesn’t have the support of other trans people.

- GRACE LAVERY'S TEAM VIA EMAIL

Even Grace Lavery, it would seem, who is a standard-bearer for her community, can be intimidated into silence by them. She was so insistent that she wouldn’t cancel that she had offered £100 to each person who bet that she would — which she is now paying up. One can only imagine the pressure applied on that “difficult” zoom call.

Perhaps naively, I had hoped that, once there in person, we would be able to find some common humanity and maybe even have a civil and productive conversation. Instead it seems that voices within the trans community are so powerful that they are forbidding any discussion from taking place — and the result will surely be to increase alienation and lack of understanding. Grace’s original instinct to reach out and talk was the right one; it’s a loss for both communities that she was talked out of it.

So here is our offer. We have a beautiful venue, an engaged audience, Helen Joyce has generously agreed to still take part. We would like the event to go ahead. Will any prominent figure from the trans community step forward and take part in a good faith discussion?

 

[Law]

It’s so prevalent that I can’t help but wonder if truly this demographic of “deviants” is full of people who are victims of CSA.

Every single kinkster I have ever encountered either is a victim of childhood sexual abuse, except this one guy who just has autism.
The Venn diagram of BDSM devotees and people who were molested is basically a circle.

Gout at 38 is shocking.

LOL FAT

LMAO almighty, can you imagine watching someone evade that basic-ass question for 5 whole minutes on video?

Sad I didn't get to see it. It would have been so funny.

"Comrades and siblings expressed profound grief & concern at the prospect of my enriching a fascist platform, & so I have decided to take a step back."

"Kiwis and Terfs expressed profound joy & anticipation at the prospect of my making an absolute ass of myself, & so I have decided to eat oxy and cry."

Mallory I imagine was just in the corner painting Warhammer figurines the whole time and quietly humming to herself.

This was the reason I was late to Pantomime Dame Bloodsports.

 

[Mealy Mouth Spittle]

A boiled foot? Ah, I see my voodoo doll has been working.

If filters are able to make look remotely female, maybe I should jump on that. I could be a 90's tier supermodel if I applied the weapons grade filter he is using.

Also, Joe throwing the other troons under the bus -- it's all their fault that the debate won't happen -- is hilarious. At least he can pretend he didn't chicken out. If this Helen Joyce lady was such a moron, the troons would have loved the opportunity to dunk on her in a debate. The fact that EVERY troon realized Joe was too stupid to do this (except for Joe himself) is fucking hilarious. Joe is even more delusional than the average troon.

 

[Prescription Bugs]

Grace Lavery is more afraid of trans rights activists than gender criticals, just like everyone else. She had to drop out. Must appease them at all costs. Everyone knows what kinds of things happen if you don’t please a demanding man or a group of demanding men.

Just look how they’ve acted after people have stated they don’t have a right to see women and girls naked in dressing rooms. Look how they’ve acted when they are told we don’t like it when they steal our awards podiums.

Not for the first time, Joe claims to be "freelapsing" on oxycodone. This was posted Monday evening NYC time, so it's possible that Joe's meltdown was partially fueled by pills, but he could also have "boiled his foot" and acquired the painkillers after everything went down. (Also possible he already had a stash and used the "boiled foot" as an excuse to treat himself.)
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In the few years I've been following him, this paragon of sobriety has "freelapsed" on more opioid painkillers than I have taken in my entire life

He needs to throw it all away and use ibuprofen. Oxy doesn’t work well for inflammation anyway.

A boiled foot? Ah, I see my voodoo doll has been working.

Hahahaha!


Okay very side note:

The girl who bought Mallory’s Oakland house with donations is asking for money to pay the property taxes.









Two Brit blokes with tattoos who wear sweaters designed for layering but with nothing on underneath.





It’s not feminine to wear a cardigan with nothing on under it? It shows you don’t know how to put outfits together. Get a cami on those moobs.


Joe dresses like the way a kid dresses her Barbie with a bulk bag of castoff Barbie clothes her mom bought from a yard sale. $1 for the bag. Nothing matches in color, style or genre. It’s blazers with bike shorts. Ball gowns with Crocs. Crocheted Barbie sweater and sparkle leggings. Great Barbie playthings for a Saturday in the backyard making sandcastles. Not so great for a real life adult professor.