Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Sneed Weed]

Hate to double post but I wonder if King will be sending his kids/grand kids off to fight Putin?

Joe must be smoking that Hunter Biden crack if he thinks I'm getting smoked over this shit

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Russia felted by Stephen King, how will Putin ever recover from this one

Can't tell if this is sarcasm or genuine NPC reaction.

 

[make_it_so]

Lot of people here saying "why should we care about Ukraine?"
Well:

• Crimea now Russian
• Hong Kong now Chinese
• Afghanistan now RU/CN aligned taleban
• LNR
• DNR
• Africa now supported by B&R Initiative and CN development spending

At what point do we say that the west has broadly given up on being a major international player? America and its allies will soon find themselves dangerously irrelevant and cut off from setting the rules. In 50 years, your children will install WeChat and be surveilled by TenCent, the same way that America currently has with Google, Apple, Facebook, etc. When Taiwan's current population grows old and dies they will end up voluntarily joining China, the dominant economic and political force rather than sit as a peer to a west that's a shadow of it's former self.

Pics of "I hope Russians kill you *wave flag*" is degenerate "surrender to communism to own the libs" posting. America get your house in order rather than cutting off your nose to spite your face.

You subhuman bootlicking nigger cattle, fuck you.

I heard this exact same bullshit peddled in the run up to the Iraq War. We needed to invade and depose Saddam because if we didn't it would show weakness, they would gang up with the other members of the "Axis of Evil" to threaten the west with WMDs and terrorism, that if we didn't plant our flag in the Middle East to impose democracy then radical Islam would continue to spread and would upend the world power balance against the West.

I was young and dumb enough at the time to not only be persuaded by it, but to go and argue it myself, much to my current shame and embarrassment. It led to countless lives lost and destroyed, our reputation sullied, and our position against other powers weakened. Now here we are, some 20 years later, and the same bullshit is being peddled about how we need make a stand against this looming foreign threat that will change the world forever. Only this time, the people arguing for it are establishment Dems and "liberal" media and journals rather than establishment Republicans and "conservative" media and journals, and this time they want us to go to war with an actual nuclear-armed near peer power rather than a tinpoint third-world dictatorship with a personal goatherder militia.

And for what? So we don't lose our influence in the world? We've been willingly doing that for the past 30 years by deindustrializing ourselves and outsourcing everything to China and the third world, and when a major politician finally did come along and try to reverse it he was accused by everyone else in power of being a Russian asset. We already screwed ourselves diplomatically and militarily by our idiotic Iraq adventure, and the position of at least one major political party (the one saber rattling the most for war right now) is that we should subordinate all of our energy decisions to the UN to further squeeze our economic wealth and independence in the name of "combating climate change" while China continues to do whatever the fuck it wants.

And in 50 years when we're being surveilled by WeChat? What, you're saying we might lose our domestic freedoms if the U.S. is no longer the top dog? Motherfucker, we're losing our domestic freedoms right fucking now! Canada's government has given itself dictatorial powers to basically unperson citizens in response to fucking honking. DHS has already released guidelines to classify "disinformation" as terrorism. Why the fuck should we worry about the threats to our freedoms by foreign tyrants when they're already being squeezed by domestic tyrants? The foreign ones at least only seemed to be concerned with gay ass territorial irridentism, rather than the current regime of reorganizing our entire society and economy under the guise of "for our own good" when in reality it's only for the sake of the string pullers of our plutocratic Oligarchy with Democratic Trappings.

 

[Psychotron]

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Can't tell if this is sarcasm or genuine NPC reaction.

I wanna have hope and say it's sarcasm

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

May have been posted already but the Russian Embassy in Kiev was smoking with fire inside. Boxes were brought inside then signs of fire seen. The Embassy has also been ordered evacuated.

https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1496198786841993217

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This isn't a good sign, when the intel is no longer needed and is burnt to secure it.
>Ukrainian FM Kuleba: Plan A is diplomacy to avert war. But if that fails, "Plan B is to fight for every inch of our land and every city and every village. To fight until we win, of course"

It's just a night BBQ. You don't like shashlik?

Lot of people here saying "why should we care about Ukraine?"
Well:

• Crimea now Russian
• Hong Kong now Chinese
• Afghanistan now RU/CN aligned taleban
• LNR
• DNR
• Africa now supported by B&R Initiative and CN development spending

All those humiliations and you globohomo bootlickers keep coming back for more. Wouldn't it make sense to cut your losses and focus on internal problems instead of getting humiliated yet again in Ukraine?

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE]

Oh no, Putin bros, we've been too cocky...
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Is this supposed to be scary.

Because last time I checked, Obama literally handed the Crimea over to Russia and he did jack shit.

 

[The Man With No Name]

It's been said before but I'll say it again.

I can think Russia is wrong and being invasive because they're warmongering fuckfaces.

I can think, at the same time, Ukraine's government is a corrupt shit heap and feel terrible for their citizens who are going to get dragged into this and get killed/displaced.

I can also think it's none of our business and we shouldn't deploy anyone to do anything. If Europoors want to help defend, that's up to them.

I predict America is going to sit out for a little while. To use a historical parallel, we can look at Sparta. Toward the end of Sparta's tenure as a city-state, they became extremely cautious about going to war. Their breeding/training program had given them elite soldiers, but only a handful. They were massively outnumbered by the helot slave-citizenry, and if the Spartans ever sent too many warriors, they risked being overthrown by the helots. Then they faded away and the Romans absorbed it during their Greek conquests and used Sparta as a quaint little vacation destination (this really happened)

If the feds join an unpopular war, they're going to regret what happens at home.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

You subhuman bootlicking nigger cattle, fuck you.

I heard this exact same bullshit peddled in the run up to the Iraq War. We needed to invade and depose Saddam because if we didn't it would show weakness, they would gang up with the other members of the "Axis of Evil" to threaten the west with WMDs and terrorism, that if we didn't plant our flag in the Middle East to impose democracy then radical Islam would continue to spread and would upend the world power balance against the West.

I was young and dumb enough at the time to not only be persuaded by it, but to go and argue it myself, much to my current shame and embarrassment. It led to countless lives lost and destroyed, our reputation sullied, and our position against other powers weakened. Now here we are, some 20 years later, and the same bullshit is being peddled about how we need make a stand against this looming foreign threat that will change the world forever. Only this time, the people arguing for it are establishment Dems and "liberal" media and journals rather than establishment Republicans and "conservative" media and journals, and this time they want us to go to war with an actual nuclear-armed near peer power rather than a tinpoint third-world dictatorship with a personal goatherder militia.

And for what? So we don't lose our influence in the world? We've been willingly doing that for the past 30 years by deindustrializing ourselves and outsourcing everything to China and the third world, and when a major politician finally did come along and try to reverse it he was accused by everyone else in power of being a Russian asset. We already screwed ourselves diplomatically and militarily by our idiotic Iraq adventure, and the position of at least one major political party (the one saber rattling the most for war right now) is that we should subordinate all of our energy decisions to the UN to further squeeze our economic wealth and independence in the name of "combating climate change" while China continues to do whatever the fuck it wants.

And in 50 years when we're being surveilled by WeChat? What, you're saying we might lose our domestic freedoms if the U.S. is no longer the top dog? Motherfucker, we're losing our domestic freedoms right fucking now! Canada's government has given itself dictatorial powers to basically unperson citizens in response to fucking honking. DHS has already released guidelines to classify "disinformation" as terrorism. Why the fuck should we worry about the threats to our freedoms by foreign tyrants when they're already being squeezed by domestic tyrants? The foreign ones at least only seemed to be concerned with gay ass territorial irridentism, rather than the current regime of reorganizing our entire society and economy under the guise of "for our own good" when in reality it's only for the sake of the string pullers of our plutocratic Oligarchy with Democratic Trappings.

Give this man a medal

See you in camp …..patriot

 

[cybertoaster]

Hate to double post but I wonder if King will be sending his kids/grand kids off to fight Putin?

The rich never go to war.

 

[Psychotron]

The rich never go to war.

That's a fucking lie. Not much in the modern era, but when wealth was backed by belief, all the fucking time.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

That's a fucking lie. Not much in the modern era, but when wealth was backed by belief, all the fucking time.

Sorry your greatgreatgreatgrwat grandpa got shot off his horse

 

[Meat Target]

It's been said before but I'll say it again.

I can think Russia is wrong and being invasive because they're warmongering fuckfaces.

I can think, at the same time, Ukraine's government is a corrupt shit heap and feel terrible for their citizens who are going to get dragged into this and get killed/displaced.

I can also think it's none of our business and we shouldn't deploy anyone to do anything. If Europoors want to help defend, that's up to them.

I predict America is going to sit out for a little while. To use a historical parallel, we can look at Sparta. Toward the end of Sparta's tenure as a city-state, they became extremely cautious about going to war. Their breeding/training program had given them elite soldiers, but only a handful. They were massively outnumbered by the helot slave-citizenry, and if the Spartans ever sent too many warriors, they risked being overthrown by the helots. Then they faded away and the Romans absorbed it during their Greek conquests and used Sparta as a quaint little vacation destination (this really happened)

If the feds join an unpopular war, they're going to regret what happens at home.

Such nuance is intolerable to the Laptop Class. They demand you, or your kids, or other people's kids (but never themselves) get blown up chasing their current designated Emmanuel Goldstein.

 

[Keystone]

Oh no, Putin bros, we've been too cocky...
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Mr. Sewer Sex Fest completely fails to understand that Putin is doing this precisely because he's no longer dealing with Trump.

 

[Richardface]

The Ukrainian army accepts foreigners for everyone's reference. You don't have to stand idly by!

 

[Big Nasty]

Re-emergence of the Soviet Union is a media spook the US has been pushing for decades

Practically since the fall of the Soviet Union. An early post cold scare was that the former Warsaw Pact countries would revert to communism.

 

[garum expert]

The Ukrainian army accepts foreigners for everyone's reference. You don't have to stand idly by!

I've got nothing going on in my life. maybe. I also don't care about ancient Slavic blood feuds

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

it's the same situation as that famous pic of some black anti war protestor holding up a "no vietnamese ever called me nigger" sign: no russian ever ruined my neighborhood with mass immigration, no russian ever pushed tranny shit on me and tried to get me fired for opposing it, etc. when our own governments are treating us like this, how can you seriously expect us to back them up?

I have no desire to fight for the west when the west will deperson me for wrong think and freeze my bank account for liking a meme about the honkening. I would go so far as oppose the draft simply because I could see them trying to use it as a way to get rid of their enemies domestic and abroad simultaneously. This wasn’t true 10 years ago. Back then I was willingly to die for my country because I believed it would protect my family and friends. Today my country sees my kind as an enemy to be crushed.

I feel bad for Ukrainians but they should’ve listened to De Gaul when he rightfully said the US wouldn’t trade a US City for a European one. If our leaders weren’t being corrupt dicks I would like to help but unfortunately we have problems at home.

 

[SCSI]

If I was in the military I would be getting out right fucking now.

Or they can keep you from quitting in this situation?

Depending on some things, yes they can. I knew quite a few people in the early 2000s who got stop-lossed while Iraq 2 was dragging on. There are also some circumstances where once you're out, you're not reeeally 100% out, and can find yourself getting recalled for shooty-bang funtimes. One of my veteran classmates in undergrad got recalled that last way after 9/11.

 

[make_it_so]

It's been said before but I'll say it again.

I can think Russia is wrong and being invasive because they're warmongering fuckfaces.

I can think, at the same time, Ukraine's government is a corrupt shit heap and feel terrible for their citizens who are going to get dragged into this and get killed/displaced.

I can also think it's none of our business and we shouldn't deploy anyone to do anything. If Europoors want to help defend, that's up to them.

I predict America is going to sit out for a little while. To use a historical parallel, we can look at Sparta. Toward the end of Sparta's tenure as a city-state, they became extremely cautious about going to war. Their breeding/training program had given them elite soldiers, but only a handful. They were massively outnumbered by the helot slave-citizenry, and if the Spartans ever sent too many warriors, they risked being overthrown by the helots. Then they faded away and the Romans absorbed it during their Greek conquests and used Sparta as a quaint little vacation destination (this really happened)

If the feds join an unpopular war, they're going to regret what happens at home.

I think the closer Hellenic parallel for us is actually Athens - an extremely wealthy mercantile power with a large empire that they didn't consider an empire, but an alliance. It continued to expand its influence and add members to its alliance, up to the point that it started to infringe on the sphere of influence of Sparta and its alliance . Particularly when it brought the Corinthian colony of Corcyra into its alliance - a major problem as it was already in conflict with Corinth proper, a member of Sparta's alliance, and further a technical infringement of the Thirty Years Peace which stipulated that the two alliances (Delian and Peloponnesian) would not interfere with each others internal affairs. This followed by other instances with the Potidaean uprising and Athenian sanctions against Megara (another Spartan ally).

Now as you said, Sparta's army was outnumbered by its helot slaves, thus why Sparta placed much of its national security in its alliance. However Athens' continued expansion of its influence - much of which was violating the spirit of the Thirty Years Peace - was bringing it into direct conflict with members of that alliance, and the alliance members directly told Sparta that if they did not act, they would leave on their own accord. Thus, Sparta had no choice but to go to war in order to preserve its alliance and greater security. This triggered what is now known as the Peloponnesian War.

It was a war that ultimately heavily weakened all of the Greek city states, and left them vulnerable to outside takeover. It's also a war that was utterly unnecessary as the spark for it - Athens continued expansion of is empire into the Spartan sphere of influence - wasn't done out of any strategic necessity, but simply because Athens desired to do so, and a refusal to give any consideration for Sparta or its alliance members interests. I see many modern parallels with the U.S. and EU's need to continually expand NATO all the way up to Russia's borders.

 

[Freshly Baked Socks]

I would go so far as oppose the draft simply because I could see them trying to use it as a way to get rid of their enemies domestic and abroad simultaneously.

My father was a victim of the draft. I refused to fill my selective service card as a result. Fuck receiving a coupon to go to university in exchange for being blood in the gears of war.