US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Why aren't Russia the good guys here? If all they do is have regions that are pro Russian be recognized as independent nations what's the problem here?

Because to achieve that "pro-Russian" aspect, they basically drove out everyone that wasn't pro-Russian out of there. Donbas nowadays is practically a ghost region because people fucked off from there by the busloads once Russia came in. And those remaining there aren't even accepted by their fellow Russians on the mainland, who view them as criminal Ukrainian scum. I need to look it up but there were several screencaps of Russians in the Krasnodar region reacting online to the news that those in Donbas would be evacuated to their towns and it was basically the equivalent of watching /pol/ talking about niggers. I also mentioned before on another thread that "ethnic Russians" is a misnomer since Russia dishonestly registers anyone who speaks slightly better Russian than Ukrainian (even ethnic Ukrainians) as Russians, even if they hate Russia, thus the eyebrow-raising statistics.

It helps more if you can understand Russian and can read and listen to stuff from that corner of the globe but suffice to say that Russia doesn't give a fuck about protecting independence or whatever. They don't even give a fuck about protecting their borders from NATO since Russia is still a fucking huge country with a dwindling demographics. Their demographics are the reason, they need more people than ever before and have even started offering free citizenships to people from ex-Soviet nations.

 

[Kane Lives]

Why aren't Russia the good guys here? If all they do is have regions that are pro Russian be recognized as independent nations what's the problem here?

You and I know this is just a clay grab, though whether it is the traditional Russian paranoia of having buffer lands or just Putin's ambitions to try and resurrect old Imperial Russia is up for debate.

What's not up for debate is how much America has pissed away their goodwill that nobody actually wants to defend the shitholes Russia is taking over, and only the most transparent journo-swines are trying to drum up support for this.

 

[>tfw no Asian gf]

Have they given any reason as to why people should care about what's happening in Ukraine?

 

[CarlosDanger]

"Please ignore that it was happening all of last year before the current crisis."

This is the worst deflection fucking ever. Holy shit.

 

[CarlosDanger]

What this means is that they expect it to get worse. Way worse. They don't go about acknowledging a problem until the denials are past parody.

They are steering into it. Hold the fuck on.

Oh this is exactly what is happening. Inflation is running rampant, gas prices are surging like crazy and only going to get worse when Russia gets hit with sanctions, the cost of food is getting to be insane, going to get even worse since we import nearly a billion dollars worth of fertilizer from Russia. The markets have been crazy for a few months now but we are about to see interest rates increased in the next few weeks. They fucked with the job's numbers for December and last month and it did nothing for Biden's polling. They know it is going to get really bad and they are trying to do the ultimate spin job and it is going to fail miserably.

 

[Homegrown Homophobia]

So the US embassy posted these without any hint of irony. Without realizing that these are major talking points for Pan-Slavism and Eurasianism.
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I see Dr. Ding is trying to pivot to new grifting talking points now that the Covid train is slowly but surely running out of steam.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

Because to achieve that "pro-Russian" aspect, they basically drove out everyone that wasn't pro-Russian out of there. Donbas nowadays is practically a ghost region because people fucked off from there by the busloads once Russia came in. And those remaining there aren't even accepted by their fellow Russians on the mainland, who view them as criminal Ukrainian scum. I need to look it up but there were several screencaps of Russians in the Krasnodar region reacting online to the news that those in Donbas would be evacuated to their towns and it was basically the equivalent of watching /pol/ talking about niggers. I also mentioned before on another thread that "ethnic Russians" is a misnomer since Russia dishonestly registers anyone who speaks slightly better Russian than Ukrainian (even ethnic Ukrainians) as Russians, even if they hate Russia, thus the eyebrow-raising statistics.

It helps more if you can understand Russian and can read and listen to stuff from that corner of the globe but suffice to say that Russia doesn't give a fuck about protecting independence or whatever. They don't even give a fuck about protecting their borders from NATO since Russia is still a fucking huge country with a dwindling demographics. Their demographics are the reason, they need more people than ever before and have even started offering free citizenships to people from ex-Soviet nations.

Putin's foreign policy has been dominated with the "If the Ethnic Russians won't come to the Motherland, the Motherland will come to the Ethnic Russians" for ages. Putin isn't dumb, he can look at Russian Demographics and see the writing on the wall. If demographic decline is fucking the West, it's turbofucking the Russians. He doesn't need the land, outside of Crimea but the Ukrainians should have known better than to poke the Bear over warm water ports, he needs the bodies. Even if they're Ukrainians, it's close enough in the east.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Said regions have a lot of illegal American money hidden in them.

That makes them sound like good guys to me.

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Ok.. assuming all of that is correct, how does Russia acknowledging two separate republics -now- after everything that has happened make them the bad guys. If they absorb them into Russia that changes the equation but as of now they are "supposed" to be two separate countries.

You and I know this is just a clay grab,

I don't know that. I don't see why he wouldn't just take it now considering what he did with Chrimea so no, I don't think this is just a clay grab at all, which is why I'm not sure why everyone is saying this is terrible. Put it this way, if in the early 1800s the US announced to the world they recognized Texas as its own nation separate from Mexico would the US be the bad guys? Why is this different, historical context, than that?

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Putin's foreign policy has been dominated with the "If the Ethnic Russians won't come to the Motherland, the Motherland will come to the Ethnic Russians" for ages. Putin isn't dumb, he can look at Russian Demographics and see the writing on the wall. If demographic decline is fucking the West, it's turbofucking the Russians. He doesn't need the land, outside of Crimea but the Ukrainians should have known better than to poke the Bear over warm water ports, he needs the bodies. Even if they're Ukrainians, it's close enough in the east.

Putin doesn't care about just having ethnic Russians or just Slavs, he will take anyone with a connection to Russia at this point. Russia is going to end up just like the US, with a Slavic minority ruled by an Asian majority. Russian media is already pushing the "Russia as a multi-ethnic state" talking point.

Ok.. assuming all of that is correct, how does Russia acknowledging two separate republics -now- after everything that has happened make them the bad guys. If they absorb them into Russia that changes the equation but as of now they are "supposed" to be two separate countries.

I don't personally care about what Putin said about Donbas now, they took it over back in 2014 from Ukraine for no other reason that to keep it from getting into the EU, which is a dick move. They've been "bad guys" in Ukraine before recent events.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

Putin doesn't care about just having ethnic Russians or just Slavs, he will take anyone with a connection to Russia at this point. Russia is going to end up just like the US, with a Slavic minority ruled by an Asian majority. Russian media is already pushing the "Russia as a multi-ethnic state" talking point.

I don't personally care about what Putin said about Donbas now, they took it over back in 2014 from Ukraine for no other reason that to keep it from getting into the EU, which is a dick move. They've been "bad guys" in Ukraine before recent events.

Muslims are the most reproducing russia demographic by far.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Muslims are the most reproducing russia demographic by far.

And most Muslims in Russia are Asian.

 

[Kane Lives]

I don't know that. I don't see why he wouldn't just take it now considering what he did with Chrimea so no, I don't think this is just a clay grab at all, which is why I'm not sure why everyone is saying this is terrible. Put it this way, if in the early 1800s the US announced to the world they recognized Texas as its own nation separate from Mexico would the US be the bad guys? Why is this different, historical context, than that?

I don't think it's terrible lol. I couldn't give a fuck about the slavic shitholes. And I suspect I'm very much in the majority with this sentiment, even in America.

Just saying that any new states that he "supports" would be explicitly Russian in all but name. Don't let the legal fiction fool you. It's Russian. Always has. (And in your example, Texas went on to join the US anyway.)

 

[JustSomeDong]

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Considering most npcs have less memory capacity than a goldfish, I can see them confusing the last 2 years of supply chain fuckery as being caused entirely by the last 2 days of slavshit crisis. Hell, they're perfectly content to be lied to, and don't you dare gaslight them that this has actually started longer than 2 days ago, you nazi chud shitlord. They're plenty gassed up on their own flatulence already.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

Putin doesn't care about just having ethnic Russians or just Slavs, he will take anyone with a connection to Russia at this point. Russia is going to end up just like the US, with a Slavic minority ruled by an Asian majority. Russian media is already pushing the "Russia as a multi-ethnic state" talking point.

That was over a decade ago when I first ran into it, so I could see him broadening what he'll take. To be fair though, Russia is a multi-ethnic empire and has been for a very long time.

 

[Cuckoman]

 

[b0x]

Putin doesn't care about just having ethnic Russians or just Slavs, he will take anyone with a connection to Russia at this point. Russia is going to end up just like the US, with a Slavic minority ruled by an Asian majority. Russian media is already pushing the "Russia as a multi-ethnic state" talking point.

Something like 80% of Russia is Slavic, with most of them concentrated in the west.



The Muslim population is primarily made up of the Tartar ethnic group. Who look like a bunch of Slav/Asian hapas.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

(X-post from the Canadian Trucker Convoy 2022 thread)
I'm going to ask something that I know is going to come off as incindiary, so I'd like to preface this whole post before I start by saying I'm not suggesting anyone do a terrorism in real life or Minecraft. If things weren't at such a boiling point around the world, I would probably not feel any reason to make such a statement. I'll probably x-post this in a couple of other threads because I want a wide swath of opinions and thoughts, as this is more a question that has been rolling around my head since I was a child (and I'm tired of getting the same answer of "look at history" because that's part of the issue I'm having). I'm fully willing to admit that I'm not very informed and definitely ignorant when it comes to this subject, so forgive me if I come off as crass or maybe too blunt.

Spoiler: At what point...

At what point do people, as a collective, decide that the only option is violence and turn on their leaders?

I always wondered this in class when we'd talk about Communism or the Third Reich, or really any other kind of monarchy or government overreach. It was easy to explain how a country go to that point and how a ruler or leader was able to easily usurp rights away from the people. But the part I never understood was how it always happened and was allowed to happen, and then one day everyone just decided they weren't alright with it. It's the middle area between the two events that I'm asking about specifically. When is everyone suddenly in agreement that it's gone too far. That's the answer that seems to vary from every tyranical situation, and why the answer "look at history" never sits well with me. The history doesn't look to be entirely consistent on that point.

It's easy to answer how much it takes for one person to break. I think all of us could answer that question. But at what point does an entire country break? Is it when everyone's family and friends starts disappearing in the night? When money dries up? When the streets are lined with poverty? When promises of the rich and powerful to the poor and starved stay unfulfilled? When your kids are taken as property of the ruler and turned into workers/drones/tools? Is it when the missles start falling on your neighborhood? Is it when the tanks roll down your city block? When air raid sirens become another day that ends in "y"? When your church is targeted? When your politics are targeted? When your guns and weapons are taken?

All of this stuff still happens in the modern day. We can look to any country in the world and see some enactment of the same things playing out that have played out throughout history. Not to sound condescending, but this is why the "look to history" answer bothers me and comes off as a non-answer. It implies that we solved the issues of the past and that we need only look to them for answers on how to prevent them in the present day. Except that isn't true at all; they're all still happening. Looking to history didn't prevent anything.

Maybe that's the answer right there. Maybe everyone is always thinking the same thing, but they're waiting for someone else to fire the--metaphorical--first shot, and after that is when everyone unifies. I think that's honestly why there's an increase in fed-posts on every board and thread I've been in (aside from the standard edgy teens and actual glowniggery). I think there is a contigient of people on the internet that are venting what they can't say in public. In my personal life, many people have said the words "(x) needs to be hung/shot/guillotined," over the last couple of years. They're at the point of violence, but won't be the ones to start it. I don't think it's presumptuous to say that there's probably a lot of people that feel that way.

So I guess in summation, what I'm asking is: in the modern age of tyranny, what is the final push before the inevitable violence? And...Are we living at the boiling point, or are we living in the hyphonated part of an reign of terror in someone else's text book; you know, those middle years that aren't worth remembering between the starting year and ending year where everyone went along with everything. Or are we finally at the end? Which part of the future children's history book are we?

honestly the people never turn on their masters, even the american revolution and civil war it basically took false flagging the population into it. Remember the Boston Tea Party was legitimately considered an indian attack until the war ended, so the british going full martial law and arresting anti-indian guys (who were behind the attack) was seen as a call to action.

People will bring up dogshit like the berlin wall not talking about the other hundreds of failed attempts in the 30 years when it was up.

Honestly violence is like sex, you only get into it when you're pretty sure you got consent. and with whites you need a lot of fucking consent, you rarely see white guys fucking in bars or public areas like was/is common in ghettos. Even the Gulag Arch. the author wishes people started being violent way before most would have been ok with, by the words and logic the author had, US citizens should have all been going full Timmy back in the fucking 1950s. the fact that US soldiers held kids at gunpoint in 1960 and retards still signed up for the evil empire shows how compliant we all truely are.

Its even been experimented with and overall if the Soviet union was made up of Anglos instead of Slavs they'd still be killing people getting too close to the Berlin wall to this day, it wouldn't matter how bad shit got. they'd do their duty to the end. Its exactly why police get away with their actions today.

On the flipside, as the Mafia has shown us, if you have the balls and the demographics on your side, the police won't even write you a ticket, for fucks sake according to the (((media))) at his death, Bugsy Siegel was a nice jewish casino owner, who never hurt a fly. Instead of being the literal King of Killers, murdered anonymously in his Beverly Hills home by someone with a full auto rifle (which were not only rare but are so fucking noisy you'd think someone would have gotten a description of the killer, especially considering it was just before nightfall)

Its like war, the retards enjoy the shooty-shooty but wars have already been decided well before the first shots were fired, mainly because they happen after all other rational actions have been exhausted.

violence of the sort you want probably always happens but gets covered memory holed. think about how quickly crime has risen in cities, if one of those murders was because of some fedposter going nuts outside of a police file how would we know. back in the 80s you'd have to have at least 3 dead bodies for an attack to be even mentioned in the news, so any John Brown style lone wolves might as well not exist at all.


TL;DR violent extremists won't happen like you want because for them to really succeed they need financial backing and popular support. the fash and commies needed a force with the ability and willingness to overwhelm the police to really capture power. but because of the mainly WASP DNA in modern western whites you won't ever see a real group commit the acts you want. 99.99% of people don't have the ability,motivation,and reasoning to do it and the ones that do are already working for the government or captured.

 

[The Fabian Strategy]

Have they given any reason as to why people should care about what's happening in Ukraine?

They never will and young men will be sacrificed anyway. Funny how Dems are for the Forever Wars this time around though, I'm old enough to remember when it was the other side that wanted those.

 

[Aidan]

You know the Founding fathers were really head of their time. As much as leftie tried to claim the Founding fathers weren't that smart compare to modern men. These men have proven to be smarter than people decades later.

I believe their foresight is some of the most genius political thinking ever and is the only reason the US hasn't descended even further politically. They were just men and knew the new government was imperfect but they did a damn good job all things considered.
Extremely grateful and their work cannot be understated.

That said they'd all wretch at the modern government but it's not near as bad as it could be... yet.

 

[Nacho Man Randy Salsa]

People expected this exact scenario, even back then, you can find it in ters and shit