Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Jordi El Nino Polla]

At what point do we say that the west has broadly given up on being a major international player? America and its allies will soon find themselves dangerously irrelevant and cut off from setting the rules.

Put the mainstream media pipe down, Chomsky.

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

So what do we do about it? According to many in this thread "give up and support Russia" to spite modern America.
They'll still live in modern America though, and it'll be worse for it, but despite worse circumstances they'll be glad that despite the cost they got to shit on their rival politicians.

Stupid edgy shit goes both ways.

Took me about 5 min to realize the 4chan doomer fags have infested this chat. Been seeing this shit elsewhere as well.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Stupid edgy shit goes both ways.

Took me about 5 min to realize the 4chan doomer fags have infested this chat. Been seeing this shit elsewhere as well.

I'm still trying to understand what's wrong with Americans supporting Russia seeing as they both have the same enemy, the globohomo parasite class.

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

I'm still trying to understand what's wrong with Americans supporting Russia seeing as they both have the same enemy, the globohomo parasite class.

And that they both suffer from the same shit.

All of the religious right channer wannabes crying about the degeneracy here while Russia is rampant with alcoholism, sex, prostitution, theft, and organized crime, as are many former soviet countries.

Almost like these people dont go outside or something

"Hey guys look at this picture of a white guy withna cross in russian army vs this random black dude in the US army, clearly they will win because muh jesus" as if black dudes weren't out there dropping slants and krauts with the rest of us in WW2, Korea, Nam, etc

 

[Smug Chuckler]

I don't support Russia, I just want to see America getting felted.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

Stupid edgy shit goes both ways.

Took me about 5 min to realize the 4chan doomer fags have infested this chat. Been seeing this shit elsewhere as well.

Speaking of 4chan, lots of dooming on /pol/ right now about drafting happening in the US. I personally don't think that a draft will happen as far as the US is concerned because of how lethally stupid it would be to go to war with another nuclear superpower among other reasons. If Obama's administration is anything to go by (which Biden was VP), the US won't do a thing in a military context because Obama didn't do so much as lift a finger when Russia annexed Crimea.

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

Speaking of 4chan, lots of dooming on /pol/ right now about drafting happening in the US. I personally don't think that a draft will happen as far as the US is concerned because of how lethally stupid it would be to go to war with another nuclear superpower among other reasons. If Obama's administration is anything to go by, the US won't do a thing in a military context because Obama didn't do so much as lift a finger when Russia annexed Crimea.

A draft won't happen for 2 reasons.

A: we dont NEED a draft rn. The military has a surplus of men in pretty much every branch.

B: a draft will likely never pass congressional approval again due to it's problematic nature.

 

[Meat Target]

Speaking of 4chan, lots of dooming on /pol/ right now about drafting happening in the US. I personally don't think that a draft will happen as far as the US is concerned because of how lethally stupid it would be to go to war with another nuclear superpower among other reasons. If Obama's administration is anything to go by (which Biden was VP), the US won't do a thing in a military context because Obama didn't do so much as lift a finger when Russia annexed Crimea.

Once the White House gets defensive and starts vehemently denying that we're deploying troops to Ukraine... that's the time to worry.

 

[thisighuf]

There are scattered reports of cyberattacks happening in Ukraine right now, Looks to be a massive DDOS attack, Multiple bank websites went down.

State of emergency also declared a while ago

There's also another video showing Russia's amassed battalion stationed south of Belgorod.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE]

If draft shit ever happens, which it won't, I want bitches to be drafted too and be out on front line 50/50. Otherwise, I want their right to vote rescinded and back to the fucking kitchen.

 

[Da Grim Reaper]

Speaking of 4chan, lots of dooming on /pol/ right now about drafting happening in the US. I personally don't think that a draft will happen as far as the US is concerned because of how lethally stupid it would be to go to war with another nuclear superpower among other reasons. If Obama's administration is anything to go by (which Biden was VP), the US won't do a thing in a military context because Obama didn't do so much as lift a finger when Russia annexed Crimea.

The US only punches down, they only attack and intervene in small nations that have little to no resources to defend themselves. They don't have balls enough to fight against an actual army like the ones of China or Russia.

 

[DumbDude42]

they can't defend their borders in any conventional war

this is a ludicrious statement. the only force on the entire eurasian continent that could possibly challenge the russian military on home turf is the chinese PLA, and china is absolutely not interested in that kind of adventure.

 

[cybertoaster]

Practically since the fall of the Soviet Union. An early post cold scare was that the former Warsaw Pact countries would revert to communism.

The warsaw pact were the core of the anticommunism sentiment in the last days of the USSR.

It was russia itself that got close to going back to communism in 1993.

I have no desire to fight for the west when the west will deperson me for wrong think and freeze my bank account for liking a meme about the honkening. I would go so far as oppose the draft simply because I could see them trying to use it as a way to get rid of their enemies domestic and abroad simultaneously. This wasn’t true 10 years ago. Back then I was willingly to die for my country because I believed it would protect my family and friends. Today my country sees my kind as an enemy to be crushed.

I feel bad for Ukrainians but they should’ve listened to De Gaul when he rightfully said the US wouldn’t trade a US City for a European one. If our leaders weren’t being corrupt dicks I would like to help but unfortunately we have problems at home.

Gaulle was too generous, we wouldn't sacrifice a city for an entire country.

Depending on some things, yes they can. I knew quite a few people in the early 2000s who got stop-lossed while Iraq 2 was dragging on. There are also some circumstances where once you're out, you're not reeeally 100% out, and can find yourself getting recalled for shooty-bang funtimes. One of my veteran classmates in undergrad got recalled that last way after 9/11.

If they did that to me I would go AWOL, and if they grab me and send me anyway as a sort of penal battalion then I'm deserting the first chance I get, I would even go to the russian side out of spite.

And before someone accuses me of being a trumpist/white-whatever I had roughly the same plan during the bush years were there was serious talk about a return of the draft. I even had a list of countries with no extradition treaties to run away to so I wouldn't have to die in a wasteland that as I already knew back we would end up running away from like in vietnam.

All the highest military, economic and technological analysis means very little when you have a population that won't fight for you or can't fight for you. I'm not even simping for the East, just stating a very obvious hole all theorycraft on conflicts involving the West tend to ignore and is limit to the projection of power. It's one thing for Trudeau to sic his Cheka on Canadian citizens, it's another thing if he expects those same citizens to go die overseas. The cops aren't going to be the ones getting sent over, it's the people in the West the cops keep in line the state needs to be sent over.

I believe there our elites are increasingly out of touch with reality, they are like hitler in his bunker moving divisions that no longer existed. They believe that all this political chicanery they been doing to keep the plebs down and bring in the campaign funds will have no repercussions, that the plebs will simply forget the abuses, the humiliations, the police state laws.

One theory is that they are counting on mercenaries and unmanned weapons to fill those holes but anyone in the industry will tell you unmanned weapons are still limited and very prone to hacking and EW, and autonomous weapons might drive themselves into a ditch. Mercs and PMCs work mostly for low scale conflicts and are a legal nightmare.

And mercenaries only fight for money and will run away when things get tough, soldiers fight for the nation and will do it until they die.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

lol "invasion". These people in Donbass are celebrating:

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Europeans can't warm their homes and keep the power on? Have they tried installing more solar panels and wind turbines? I'm sure that will solve it!

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[DumbDude42]

One theory is that they are counting on mercenaries and unmanned weapons to fill those holes but anyone in the industry will tell you unmanned weapons are still limited and very prone to hacking and EW, and autonomous weapons might drive themselves into a ditch. Mercs and PMCs work mostly for low scale conflicts and are a legal nightmare.

And mercenaries only fight for money and will run away when things get tough, soldiers fight for the nation and will do it until they die.

mercenaries/PMCs are also
a) very expensive
b) mostly limited to infantry (as far a s i know PMCs do not have access to war ships, fighter jets, tanks or artillery)
c) limited in number

c) is the most important. if china for example were to call a draft and mobilize reservists, they'll have tens of millions of soldiers ready to fight within half a year. smaller nations will have less manpower, but even small countries can mobilize forces numbering in the hundreds of thousands when push comes to shove.

you can not match that with mercenaries and PMCs. you can't sinply go and hire them by the hundreds of thousands, there aren't enough of them around for that.

 

[UselessPieceOfShit]

lol "invasion". These people in Donbass are celebrating:

Yeah, like, all twelve of them.
Most people don't support anyone, they just want to grill, damnt it be left alone.

 

[Observotron]

A draft won't happen for 2 reasons.

A: we dont NEED a draft rn. The military has a surplus of men in pretty much every branch.

B: a draft will likely never pass congressional approval again due to it's problematic nature.

You forgot to mention that the US probably has the potential, and probably has, an army of ED-209/Terminator robots to fight ground battles for them.

Human, boots on the ground army men are a thing of the past and only useful for marketing.

 

[Never Scored]

You forgot to mention that the US probably has the potential, and probably has, an army of ED-209/Terminator robots to fight ground battles for them.

Human, boots on the ground army men are a thing of the past and only useful for marketing.

I know you are being at least partially facetious, but in all seriousness the US probably has enough armed remote control drones to flatten most armies from the other side of the world should the need arise.

Of course, even those are a moot point when the army you're trying to flatten has enough intercontinental nuclear missiles to wipe out all human life on the planet several times over. I don't think the US, Russia or China will ever engage in open warfare with each other for this very reason. The battles between those three are all going to be done through cyberattacks, sanctions and economic dominance for the foreseeable future imo.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I know you are being at least partially facetious, but in all seriousness the US probably has enough armed remote control drones to flatten most armies from the other side of the world should the need arise.

Of course, even those are a moot point when the army you're trying to flatten has enough intercontinental nuclear missiles to wipe out all human life on the planet several times over.

Yes, those drones are totally not backdoored by Russia or China or anything. Not like they're using Chinese microchips, right?

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