Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

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Fake news

 

[Captain Manning]

apparently this is video of the dogfight over Kiev earlier today. Ukrainian air force says one of their pilots got aced today. 6 kills, including some of the VDV helicopters. you can see the top plane manuevering to get a shot on the bottom one. top plane was also doing its best to keep bottom one in sight.
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Impressive, if true. I don't think they can keep that up for long though. Airbases are gonna be overrun by ground forces and Ukraine doesn't have a very big AF in the relative sense. Time is against them.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

No, media will tell the truth when it benefits them and it will lie when it benefits them, you need just have the knowledge to see through it to get to the truth. This time Russia is completely an aggressor that only servers its own geopolitical interests. Most of the Russian minority was brought into Ukraine by Soviet Unions after it had committed few genocides in the Ukraine and Crimea. This was the case with the most Russian minorities in eastern European countries.

When you try to use history to make your point but leave out the part where Ukraine has been part of or/dominated by Russia for centuries. Or that Khrushchev ceded territory historically held by Russia to the Ukrainian Soviet Republic. Bruv.

Reminder that Black Dipshit and Hair Sniffer had 8 years to push through a treaty if it was such a big deal. They had 2 years after the Maidan revolution to rush it through if they were so inclined. Instead they fucked around, Hunter fucked around more literally, and Putin rolled into Crimea.

And these were supposed to be the Serious Foreign Policy adults, who would clean up foreign relations after Cowboy Dubya messed up the world.

Ukraine is a basketcase too, but that comedian president was supposed to be getting a handle on the corruption. He had 3-4 years to rush through a treaty if he thought it was a priority. But again, reminder that when he tried, the same group of American dipshits tried to impeach Trump for talking to him on the phone.

At some point we should stop giving them the benefit of the doubt as incompetent, and start calling it outright malice.

I hope everyone understands now why I quit working for politicians and want nothing to do with them.

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Sure they did.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

When your life has next to no real problems, you have to start manufacturing new ones.

I have plenty of problems on my end, I just subscribe to the American notion that there's nothing wrong with viewing someone else's trouble as sheer entertainment.

 

[Kaede Did Nothing Wrong]

more photo of airport assault from earlier

I just visited it right now and it isn't down. What did they take out, the terms of use page?

down for me, idk.

 

[MrJokerRager]

This isn't the 60's. Bombs aren't that powerful anymore. No need. The reason Tsar Bomb and Castle Bravo with tens of megaton yield weapons like that happened was because targeting at the time was ass and using a HUGE NUKE was the only way you could be sure the target got eliminated. Newer MIRVs use pretty damn accurate 200ish kT weapons.

They are pretty damn effective for psychological warfare.

 

[Psychotron]

apparently this is video of the dogfight over Kiev earlier today. Ukrainian air force says one of their pilots got aced today. 6 kills, including some of the VDV helicopters. you can see the top plane manuevering to get a shot on the bottom one. top plane was also doing its best to keep bottom one in sight.
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God speed you blue and gold angel

 

[Ghostse]

Do you think that a Trump-led White House would have offered stronger opposition to Putin in this sort of scenario? Or does this judgment extend to Trump also?

Again, I'm not trying to get into an argument; I'm really just curious.

You can't make a really good comparison because both presidents are completely different. Trump wouldn't have allowed the situation to have developed this far, he'd have responded early with a show of strength which is how you get bullies like Putin to back down. With Biden, Putin is counting on public opinion (especially after the disaster that was the afghanistan pull out) preventing Biden from escalating to boots on the ground.

The thing that allowed this to happen, the loss of Bagram as a strategic asset, wouldn't have happened under Trump because Trump had negotiated what would have been a slow hand over of the country to the Taliban. The turbaned steam roller we got to witness in August was direct result of the Biden Administration renegging on the orderly withdraw deal, because they wanted to deny Trump any sort of lasting diplomatic victory.

Putin didn't step to Trump because Trump was a loose cannon; Putin didn't know how far Trump would go and that's why he was a good boy the four years Trump was in the white house: Why fuck with a crazy man when you can wait 4-8 for the next Democuck.
The one time Putin did test Trump in Syria, 200 russian mercs got annihilated.

U.S. killed "a couple hundred" Russians in Syria airstrikes, Pompeo says

"The Russians met their match," said CIA Director Mike Pompeo, who has been nominated for secretary of state.

www.newsweek.com

Putin behaved himself for the rest of Trump's time in office after that.

He also knew that Trump would play the How Much Shit Can I Get Away With Before It Gets Real game right back at him. I said Putin is counting on america being war-weary after seeing 20 years in afghanistan mean nothing. When Russia started massing troops on the border, Trump would have had a rally with 40,000 people chanting "NUKE MOSCOW" showing popular commitment to a war.

This is not to downplay Trump's fuckups in the geopolitical area, or to suggest he's some sort of genius - he was as successful as he was because he used the exact executive level low-cunning against people not expecting it (i.e. you can't outsmart a bullet.).

 

[AnOminous]

The small pox blankets story happened during the French Indian War when the French and their tribal allies were besieging a British fort. The Indians broke through and raided the fort's small pox ward. they claimed the blankets as their prize.

Jeffrey Amherst definitely intended the use of fomites as weapons and even purchased blankets specifically for that purpose, and there are literally orders for this and receipts for it. The myth is that this was a widespread practice or actually caused any more damage than the inevitable spreading of smallpox would have caused with or without deliberate action.

What's unknown is whether Amherst's scheme was ever actually enacted. The smallpox part was going to happen with or without such schemes. These were pretty common in European history, btw, with lots of lengthy, dumb, evil European wars involving lobbing plague victim corpses into enemy areas with catapults and shit like that.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

So stupid question, Is a nuclear armed weapon the best long range weapon that could be deployed to takeout silos in an exchange? Could not conventional weapons be involved in an exchange?

The purpose of "close-pack" US minuteman missile fields is to have enough survive a nuclear first strike that they are still able to deliver a credible counter-strike. So no. Conventional weapons stand no chance. Not to mention the other parts of the nuclear triad.

MAD means the nuke always gets through. Nuclear, conventional, spetsnaz troops, 4chan hackers, whatever the first strike is the retaliatory strike will happen.

 

[Mussi]

I wonder if Putin reacted to losing the VDV soldiers like you would when you lose elite units in a strategy game, or if he sent them there to die as distraction or as sabotage as I don't see any evidence of a strong Russian push to Kyiv.

 

[jje100010001]

Ireland's apparently waiving visa requirements for Ukraine refugees.

So with the exit valves turned on, how soon until you start seeing mass segments of the population decamp for other European countries irregardless of the outcome of the war?

For all it's worth, a life in Poland, Israel or Ireland is likely still going to be far better than a life in Ukraine for those who don't have much of a nationalistic attachment to their country.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

It's so funny to see retarded mutts schizo out and meltdown over this. Like calm down bro, you are hundreds of miles away from Ukraine in one of the most militarized countries in the world. My country borders Ukraine and I haven't seen nearly as much paranoia here online. Do mutts subconsciously think their military is weak or what?

It's a mental condition I like to refer to as being "neurotically antiwar", where you believe that literally any scruff-up between non-Afghanistan or non-Caucasian states has the significant potential to lead to a World War III, particularly of the worst-case-scenario nuclear holocaust variety.

It's not strictly related to the current situation, but people seem to have forgotten in general that "war" is not unjust or "bad" simply because it is war, and that in many cases, war is not only necessarily, some might even consider it desirable.

I don't like nuclear war either, but I'm relatively sure that even if a war got nuclear, it's going to go down to relatively "limited" exchanges between two states against key infrastructure and military centers until one of them gives up, as @ColtWalker1847 probably knows.

 

[Trombonista]

You can't make a really good comparison because both presidents are completely different. Trump wouldn't have allowed the situation to have developed this far, he'd have responded early with a show of strength which is how you get bullies like Putin to back down.

Oh, please, Trump admires Putin so much he'd let Ukraine get completely taken over.

On a different note, I wonder how Putin would react if this invasion were referred to as cowardly instead of aggressive. After all, Putin feels threatened by the idea of Ukraine joining NATO.

 

[b0x]

Technically Putin was right about the Anti-Nazification thing. There is an arm of the Ukraine military that are Neo-Nazis.


They also train children

 

[Toolbox]

I just visited it right now and it isn't down. What did they take out, the terms of use page?

I wouldn't doubt they either just thought they did it, are making it up, or are attempting to take credit for a different group doing it that hasn't actually done it yet.

 

[DumDum Did Nothing Wrong]

He'll stick through until the bitter end.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy stands his ground against Russian troops at the Battle of Kiev. 2022, colourised.

I don't care if he sticks it out. More power to him with the whole better to die on your feet than on your knees. But if he has family there still then he needs to get them out. Now. Especially if he has a wife and daughter there.

 

[BradCarter]

The purpose of "close-pack" US minuteman missile fields is to have enough survive a nuclear first strike that they are still able to deliver a credible counter-strike. So no. Conventional weapons stand no chance. Not to mention the other parts of the nuclear triad.

MAD means the nuke always gets through. Nuclear, conventional, spetsnaz troops, 4chan hackers, whatever the first strike is the retaliatory strike will happen.

So long as the commanders decide to revenge is worth condemning the rest of the world. The human element was always the weakest link. I can't imagine the toll of turning a key that kills millions.

 

[Breadbassket]

It's a state of being I like to refer to as being "neurotically antiwar", where you believe that literally any scruff-up between non-Afghanistan or non-Caucasian states has the significant potential to lead to a World War III, particularly of the worst-case-scenario nuclear holocaust variety.

It's not strictly related to the current situation, but people seem to have forgotten in general that "war" is not unjust or "bad" simply because it is war, and that in many cases, war is not only necessarily, some might even consider it desirable.

Shit, I don't like nuclear war either, but I'm relatively sure that even if a war got nuclear, it's going to go down to relatively "limited" exchanges between two states against key infrastructure and military centers until one of them gives up, as @ColtWalker1847 probably knows.

Realistically in the event of a nuclear war I imagine more would die in the chaos of the aftermath then the bombs themselves due to starvation, anarchy and the collapse of major infrastructure networks.

 

[Ducks Sorted in a Row]

Technically Putin was right about the Anti-Nazification thing. There is an arm of the Ukraine military that are Neo-Nazis.
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They also train children
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WTF I love Ukraine now