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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Russia won't host null until he solves the ho-ho-holocaust dilemma. Say what you want about our free speech issues but at least we don't have government agencies threatening the site over a hitler meme.
The US is still better than other options, but at some point it might not be and that point is rapidly approaching.
 
As for getting a border with 4 more NATO countries, you're buying into the idea that Russia intends to add the whole Ukraine to its territory. This seems to be western propaganda, since Putin sent out a video speech that he'll negotiate surrender terms if The Ukraine agrees not to join NATO and to demilitarize. If The Ukraine complies, it will still exist as a buffer state between Russia and those other NATO states, although he possibly also intends to take the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, if it looks like he can get away with it.
This explains quite a lot but I'm still curious as to why Russia is so averse to NATO? What's up with NATO that Putin wants nothing to do with it?
 
This explains quite a lot but I'm still curious as to why Russia is so averse to NATO? What's up with NATO that Putin wants nothing to do with it?
NATO is, defacto, the US's global military arm. The US, at least most of the Democrats and a decently large portion of Republicans (don't think that just cause Trump and Tucker aren't doesn't mean there aren't tons of neocons who are), are hostile to Russia. Even if they weren't "bomb them" hostile, which they are ATM, they're definitely "slap them with sanctions" hostile, which they've done before. And again, with The Ukraine in NATO, the US could potentially cut off Russian access to the Black Sea. With Japan and South Korea also being in NATO, it makes a full-blown embargo that much closer to being possible.
 
This explains quite a lot but I'm still curious as to why Russia is so averse to NATO? What's up with NATO that Putin wants nothing to do with it?
A lot of the flag and staff officers of NATO and Russia were junior officers when there was a Soviet Union and the Yugoslav conflicts where Russia tried assisting Serbia. It’s hard to get out of the us vs them mentality.

It doesn’t help that Russia was embarrassed with Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo as Russia always had a connection with Serbia due to their orthodox backgrounds, see WW1. Russia tried assisting Serbia and Serbia lost hard. Putin took the idea that small minority concentrations can have autonomy and used it to wreck Georgia and Ukraine and give the Russian people wins.
 
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Something fairly big was apparently intercepted over Kyiv tonight. Some reports say it was a Balistic Missile shootdown.
This dudes been posting a number of short clips from Kyiv.
This may be another view of the same intercept. First stated to be Russian plane shot down, but tweet below the vid says reverse.

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Null has stated on MATI more than once he might have to host in Russia because of how shit the US is becoming to freedom of speech, and as for 4chan, it's mostly just BBC porn these days. I'm just sitting on the sideline and siding with the winner.
And here I thought the farms were the last fun forum in the interweb...
 
Looks like Biden’s military is as good at shipping supplies into allies as they are arranging orderly withdrawals. If only you’d had fucking weeks of saber rattling to warn you this was coming.

Good job fucking it up yet again, Commander in Chief. Now release another anime ad showing a brave and strong daughter of lesbians enlisting so she can get pregnant to avoid actual combat. Fucking pants-shitting, senile retard.
 
NATO is, defacto, the US's global military arm. The US, at least most of the Democrats and a decently large portion of Republicans (don't think that just cause Trump and Tucker aren't doesn't mean there aren't tons of neocons who are), are hostile to Russia. Even if they weren't "bomb them" hostile, which they are ATM, they're definitely "slap them with sanctions" hostile, which they've done before. And again, with The Ukraine in NATO, the US could potentially cut off Russian access to the Black Sea. With Japan and South Korea also being in NATO, it makes a full-blown embargo that much closer to being possible.
NATO is a military facade for the U.S. that only works as a defensive measure. The entire alliance is built on the idea that it is a mutual defense pact for member states, not an imperial organization to project influence.
 
NATO is a military facade for the U.S. that only works as a defensive measure. The entire alliance is built on the idea that it is a mutual defense pact for member states, not an imperial organization to project influence.
Sure Jan. And Arab Spring was a series of totally spontaneous popular revolts.
 
NATO is, defacto, the US's global military arm.
No

The US global military arm is the US military

Japan can project decent naval and air force regionally or a bit farther

France and Britain can do a little bit of blue-water navy stuff and France can move some small amounts of troops around northwestern Africa

That's basically it, when you're talking about Western military force being projected somewhere abroad you're talking about Americans doing 95-100% of whatever is happening
 
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